Thread: BTI information

Unbelievable! Here we go again.

mapi - I personally agree 100% with all points - BTI is much more than just a forum and there are costs associated with that. That money was intended to come from Pips, with each member paying a small once off subscription, and the growth of the account doing the rest. Even if that is possible in the future, we all know that it is not at the moment - and Billy has done a lot of work, including travel to investigate options and so far worn the cost himself. BTI members have said they want him to do this work - there has to be a financial input somewhere for it to be possible.

BUT DOESN'T THIS DISCUSSION REMIND YOU OF SOMETHING?

I don't know how TG members came to be so against pips. But I imagine it started something like
- look there's a new program out - pips - says it can give 2% a day
- could this be a scam, seems to be too good to be true
- better not trust someone who claims to be able to create money to help others - he must be in it for himself only
- yes now that you mention it, how could someone actually want to help others
- then we'd better save everyone else from joining - it is a scam
- (and even if it is not, which should anyone else be happy because I'm not)
etc etc etc


So now that the TG vs Pips discussion is repetitive because there is not much new for them to say, now it seems we have to start ROLClub vs BTI.

Where will that end up? I find it so hard to believe the discussions that I have read on all forums but especially TG – how can people actually spend their time being so negative and critical. However it makes me so sad to see the same sort of insinuation, rumour and backstabbing on the pips forums. Why does it always have to be someone against someone else? And for that matter why does it have to be Bryan or someone else. I also have my money on/ with Bryan. That doesn’t mean that someone else can’t create or find good opportunities too.

As Pipsters, we are all in that together. Since the pips forum closed, people have joined different forums - so what, that doesn't make them right or wrong. Please don’t let’s turn it into them vs us

BTI members are paying a subscription. That's their choice. Noone is forced to be a member of BTI. If somoene doesn't want to pay it, don't (Doesn't that sound like things we have said to TG before - if you don't want to be part of pips - don't!). And if the BTI members decide they don't get enough value in BTI over time - well they can stop paying the subscription. That is each person's decision. So to any BTI members who feel hard done by - the solution is easy. And there are other forums now, so in the end all forums seem to get all the key information - I think BTI is no longer so much about access to updates as about looking for other wealth building vehicles.

We all joined pips because of a dream - to be financially free to live the life we want, and to help others. Can't we all just get along while we look for the way to achieve that dream.

Thankyou rsynnj for such a level-headed response to yet more snipes and gripes. I have often wondered how Bryan and now looks like it affects Billy too, cope with all the negativity..seems like no matter what you do someone will always pick holes in it.
One of the more interesting aspects of getting involved in this online stuff is watching human reactions to situations and it sure is fascinating. Tolerance is a scarce commodity in some quarters so it was a pleasure to read such a fine post full of it.

Please, this isn't about TG, and I'm absolutely not from there. I don't even go there! And, I don't even appreciate being talked about in the same post as if I'm affiliated with them!

This is about taking advantage of people. PIPS members. And, also about the destruction that has been foist upon PIPS by those that are "insiders."

As Mapi said, people will decide for themselves.

I do hope that people are paying attention!

VP

As far as I am concerned, Billy used to be a trusted pioneer member of pips.

And when he created pips usa, everything was going fine at first...
But when came the resignations of Gary and Warren, suddenly we were not only given updates but also opinions, and the opinions were clearly that of GN and WW not necessarily of Billy's.

Obviously it is clear that his close association with those 2 have rubbed off him badly and he is now giving bad advice based on what he is being told by the infamous 2.

How could billy advise all members to set all accounts to 100% withdraw if it was not for some different agenda then those of pips and picpay?

How could he send this supposed letter to the BoN and ask them that They should allow Pips/picpay to keep operating BUT WITH NEW MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANTS???

Has he gone mad?

Which New Management? To bring back GN?
Which New Consultant? To bring back WW?

Please understand, that I evaluate him by his posts and updates not by specualtions in any forum. And his credibility has gone down very badly in my opinion!

s/bob

Actually, there were members of BTI who expressed displeasure at GDI being suggested. There were many more who liked the idea. Since there will be many options made available for diversification, we were each told to only join what we were interested in.

have a great week, everyone.

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

I'm know of actual members of BTI that feel (as I've expressed) yet feel unable to express themselves on this subject. Especially in their forum, the post wouldn't last long, or they would be bombed with insults and for many, sadly, they haven't had any other avenue to receive information about PIPS, which is why most joined the group in the first place.

Little did they know, the information they would receive would include rumour, speculation, propaganda and predictions of the "death of PIPS", very timely, for the impending new programs submitted by the group to those in dire need of money and very hungry to find a way to support themselves.

VP

I totally agree Bob.

Every update I've seen was filled with negatives, and in my view turned into "super negatives" by the speculation and rumours added to the update.

My least favorite was the statement was in the last update where Billy said he wouldn't support restructure of PIPS unless Bryan contacted him personally. That's quite an ego trip, in my view!
And, also contrary to supporting PIPS!

VP

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

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My least favorite was the statement was in the last update where Billy said he wouldn't support restructure of PIPS unless Bryan contacted him personally. That's quite an ego trip, in my view!
And, also contrary to supporting PIPS!

VP

That is how speculation and rumour come about. Please state how it is said:

"I wrote Bryan several days ago and told him that I would love to support any effort to restructure and move forward but that to do so, he would have to communicate with me."

If you want to "interpret" this sentence in such a way, that "Billy will NOT support pips unless Bryan contacts him" then you put your own interpretation into that sentence.

My interpretation is: "Billy cannot help him if Bryan doesn't tell him how he could help", so please in the future, give the facts and not your opinion about the facts!

Best regards
mapi

Originally Posted by spongebob

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How could billy advise all members to set all accounts to 100% withdraw if it was not for some different agenda then those of pips and picpay?
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How could he send this supposed letter to the BoN and ask them that They should allow Pips/picpay to keep operating BUT WITH NEW MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANTS???

Has he gone mad?

Which New Management? To bring back GN?
Which New Consultant? To bring back WW?

Hi spongebob,
it would be good to READ the updates and not Interpret.
Billy stated, that someone from the group who sent the letter has contacted him and that the letter contained those Demands.
But in no way did he say that he actually supported that idea or that HE sent the letter to BoN (that was done by the group who contacted him). And in the next paragraph, he actually said, that this COULD be ONE of the scenarios which could happen, but he actually doesn't know what will happen.

So please read the update again, and then modify your post if you agree, that you misinterpreted his update...

As with his recommendation of setting the accounts to 100% withdraw, no one knows whether it is good or bad.
If pips/picpay WERE really a scam, then this could be the best way to try to get some funds out.
If pips/picpay are not a scam, i.e. they really can generate all the returns, then the funds will be available to pay the members.
But only time will tell.

Best regards
mapi

Mapi,
IF Billy was going to be supportive of Bryan, why would he send a fax to the bank in Maylasia saying he wants them to keep PIPS/PICPAY open, but CHANGE MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANTS?

Why would Billy suggest in his recent update that people contact the bank to show their support for Bryan, when we all know that is the very last thing that Bryan would want us to do?

Reading information through rose colored glasses, and dismissing half the information involved might get a person to the conclusion that some come around to.

I read it like read, to me, keeping every other piece of information in mind that has been available to me.

If you put all the pieces together, including everything involved, his actions don't add up to support for Bryan or PIPS. imo

VP

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

Mapi,
IF Billy was going to be supportive of Bryan, why would he send a fax to the bank in Maylasia saying he wants them to keep PIPS/PICPAY open, but CHANGE MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTANTS?
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on this point, please read my post just above your post...

regards
mapi