Thread: BTI information

IrishBilly will be presenting various plans to help members of BTI (formerly PIPS-USA) diversify. The first was a credit union that will have a minimum $1000 investment. Many members were asking for a low-cost alternative and that is when he suggested GDI, since it only costs $10 a month. Because it is an MLM, it is true that anyone who signs under him will be in his downline - but only to his 5th level. For this reason, he signed up as BTI, inc, instead of as Bill Murphy - the money will benefit the organization, not him personally. He is also placing people deep rather than wide, so that the benefit is more spread out rather than just the top few. He will also be setting up a rotator for future signups so that everyone will have signups under them.

It's sad that some people look at the situation and assume he is doing it only for personal gain. He has looked at numerous plans to help all of the members of BTI to diversify and have other ways of making money besides PIPS.

I hope that explains the situation, as I see it.
thanks.

It's sad that someone feels the necessity to charge members to join their forum especially when many just don't have the funds and already paid previously for a lifetime membership in the previous organization, a name change shouldn't null and void the previous "contract."

MLM's are generally losers for those at the bottom of the pile, unfortunately.

I wish all success, though I'm afraid I think many are foolish to pay to get into a forum where the programs offered are generally available to others for free.

VP

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

It's sad that someone feels the necessity to charge members to join their forum especially when many just don't have the funds and already paid previously for a lifetime membership in the previous organization, a name change shouldn't null and void the previous "contract."

MLM's are generally losers for those at the bottom of the pile, unfortunately.

I wish all success, though I'm afraid I think many are foolish to pay to get into a forum where the programs offered are generally available to others for free.

VP

Hi velvetpatches,
just some points to consider:
1) that forum is not just a forum. Of course anyone could set up a forum and open it up to anyone who signs up (like this one here), but then you would only get a forum, nothing else (of course with all the associated benefits of a forum). But BTI will offer its members some other benefits, which no other free forum can offer.

2) Billy is putting a lot of time and effort into this venture without getting paid. But there are costs involved in providing everything they have up to now and planned in the future, and those costs shouldn't be borne by Billy himself.

3) The payment of the "lifetime" membership was offered under the assumption, that they would get the picpay into cash, and if and when pips/picpay will return and he gets the picpay funds out, I am sure, he will honour all the membership payments. But right now, he cannot work with "funds in limbo" to pay for all the expenses, and those who have paid with other means, they were able to join the new BTI "forum".

4) I personally don't want to deal with MLM, but the one he suggested was to help those who can't afford to join programs which require large initial capital (by request of the members), and he tries to set it up, such that even those people with no experience in MLM can benefit of it (by rearranging the structure to make it deep rather than wide). I know of someone who joined the MLM program and got already 9 people under her, without her doing anything. If she had joined it by herself, she wouldn't have a single person in her downline...

5) the credit union is not something you can easily find in any other "free" forum...

As I said, just a few points to consider, but it is of course up to each individual, whether those benefits (and others to come) justify paying for a "forum" or not...
Best regards
mapi

Mapi,
I hope it works out for all, yet, I'm believing he got some payments from picpay. The USA account must have grown into big numbers by this time and when it comes back up and is ready for withdrawl how much of that money will land in the members hands? Has there been an update about that? If he were going to credit people that he actually did receive funds from, wouldn't he already have done that?

What type of experience does he have to "assist" inexperienced investors, is there experience aside from charging for memberships ...that shows proof that he can deliver?

I don't have a dime in it, but those would be the questions I'd be asking before I became involved. Along with, what are his and any other salaries paid out of the membership dues. Especially since the whole thing seems "top heavy" in terms of the money flow.

I'm sure he has total control of all the money, so, it hardly makes a difference that it isn't in his name. imo

VP

Originally Posted by mapi

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

It's sad that someone feels the necessity to charge members to join their forum especially when many just don't have the funds and already paid previously for a lifetime membership in the previous organization, a name change shouldn't null and void the previous "contract."

MLM's are generally losers for those at the bottom of the pile, unfortunately.

I wish all success, though I'm afraid I think many are foolish to pay to get into a forum where the programs offered are generally available to others for free.

VP

Hi velvetpatches,
just some points to consider:
1) that forum is not just a forum. Of course anyone could set up a forum and open it up to anyone who signs up (like this one here), but then you would only get a forum, nothing else (of course with all the associated benefits of a forum). But BTI will offer its members some other benefits, which no other free forum can offer.

2) Billy is putting a lot of time and effort into this venture without getting paid. But there are costs involved in providing everything they have up to now and planned in the future, and those costs shouldn't be borne by Billy himself.

3) The payment of the "lifetime" membership was offered under the assumption, that they would get the picpay into cash, and if and when pips/picpay will return and he gets the picpay funds out, I am sure, he will honour all the membership payments. But right now, he cannot work with "funds in limbo" to pay for all the expenses, and those who have paid with other means, they were able to join the new BTI "forum".

4) I personally don't want to deal with MLM, but the one he suggested was to help those who can't afford to join programs which require large initial capital (by request of the members), and he tries to set it up, such that even those people with no experience in MLM can benefit of it (by rearranging the structure to make it deep rather than wide). I know of someone who joined the MLM program and got already 9 people under her, without her doing anything. If she had joined it by herself, she wouldn't have a single person in her downline...

5) the credit union is not something you can easily find in any other "free" forum...

As I said, just a few points to consider, but it is of course up to each individual, whether those benefits (and others to come) justify paying for a "forum" or not...
Best regards
mapi

Hi mapi,

Excellent points and my sentiments exactly. People have to remember that many paid with Picpay and a lot of that was never converted. Billy quit his regular job and is doing this full time. There are many expenses to be paid, not to mention the cancelling of the San Diego convention where I've heard a figure of a $100,000 may have been spent. So before people start pointing fingers and especially people not even in the program and so are missing many pertient facts. I say it is better not to judge less you be judged. You know the saying what goes around comes around. I always try to think the best of people until they prove otherwise. I for one feel blessed to have Billy as one of the leaders of BTI. I am confident that he is looking out for the member's best interest.

I'm know of actual members of BTI that feel (as I've expressed) yet feel unable to express themselves on this subject. Especially in their forum, the post wouldn't last long, or they would be bombed with insults and for many, sadly, they haven't had any other avenue to receive information about PIPS, which is why most joined the group in the first place.

Little did they know, the information they would receive would include rumour, speculation, propaganda and predictions of the "death of PIPS", very timely, for the impending new programs submitted by the group to those in dire need of money and very hungry to find a way to support themselves.

VP

Originally Posted by velvetpatches

I'm know of actual members of BTI that feel (as I've expressed) yet feel unable to express themselves on this subject. Especially in their forum, the post wouldn't last long, or they would be bombed with insults and for many, sadly, they haven't had any other avenue to receive information about PIPS, which is why most joined the group in the first place.

Little did they know, the information they would receive would include rumour, speculation, propaganda and predictions of the "death of PIPS", very timely, for the impending new programs submitted by the group to those in dire need of money and very hungry to find a way to support themselves.

VP

Hi VP,
basically, it depends on how much you want to trust Billy (or Bryan or anyone else). If you are sceptical (and I don't mean it to be negative, you should be sceptical), then you could see everything what is happening as a plot for the benefit of one or few people (Billy, Bryan,...) and any other info which could support that point of view will add to increase the scepticism.

On the other hand, if you trust someone (by whichever experience), then you would try believe what that person is saying and interpret it in a much more positive way.

Those two groups of people sadly rarely can agree on a certain interpretation of information which is presented to them and thus they will argue on who is right or wrong.

I don't say that you are wrong, you certainly have your reasons to be sceptical, and I have my reasons to be "less" sceptical, but we won't be able to convert the other to change the opinion, unless specific events directly influencing them would happen.

To conclude, I hope with the points I made in my previous post and with your contributions, that other members can get more info on what is happening and decide for themselves how they want to proceed.

Take care
mapi

Sorry guys what is BTI?

Originally Posted by superx

Sorry guys what is BTI?

P**S-USA had to change its name so they changed it to Breakthroughs International (BTI).
Best regards
mapi

Mapi,
Agreed, it isn't likely that either of us will change the other's mind.

Though, I'm hopeful that other Pips members will check around the different threads this forum for other's ideas, and think about the entire situation we have been going through in the program (PIPS). We must always protect our "own."

My money is on Bryan. :)

VP