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if i agree with u here, does that make u politcally correct? i agree on capital punishment carried out publicly. ti would save tax payers alot of money and make everybody think a hundred times before they consider drugs, rape and murder.

but then again, this my "politically correct" view isn't it?

Originally Posted by tonyd56

Hey kevo,
I'll tell you how bad this is getting over here atm. You may have heard of an Australian citizen who has been in a Singapore jail for the last three years on heroin trafficing charges. He was caught with an estimated 26,000 hits of heroin. But according to him, he was doing it to get his brother out of debt (oh shit, well that makes it ok then, sorry my mistake)....by selling it to our kids no doubt. The bottom line is the guy's a HEROIN DEALER right. He is to be hanged this Friday in Singapore.

Now for all who oppose the death penalty....I'm in total agreement with your opposition.....BUT, Singapore law determined his guilt and punishment. Last time I looked they were a sovereign nation and as such have every right to do as their legal system permits in their own country.

There has been an absolute uproar in the press, all the politically correct, the lawyers the lefties, the greenies..etc etc screaming how our Prime Minister is a dog for not doing enough to save this HEROIN DEALER from the gallows. I might add there have been six separate requests by Australian Government officials including the Prime Minister to the Singapore Govt for clemency and for them to jail him for life rather than hang him.

No, not good enough say his lawyers and all the rest of the PC wagon riders, our Govt should go over there and demand his stay of execution and tell Singapore Govt they are barbarians and they should not hang this HEROIN DEALER and bla friggin bla bla. Are we still on planet earth here or what?

Some numbskull has even suggested we observe one minute silence in the community on Friday at the time of the hanging. Yes, now there's an idea, lets signify the hanging of a HEROIN DEALER the same as we do with your Independence Day, the English VE Day or our Anzac Day...are they for real. Lets erect a statue, sing songs......did I mention this prick is a HEROIN DEALER that would have sold 26,000 hits of heroin to our kids.

Now slap me in the face with a fish.....are we talking about a national hero, a soldier fallen in battle....NO, we're talking about a friggin HEROIN DEALER here. HELLO!!! H E L L O!!!

I might add this HEROIN DEALER is of Asian descent, which is a real godsend for the PC butt smoochers. You can just imagine how they are playing that one.

Maybe we should take up a partition to the Singapore Govt to have this guy released into house custody (accompanied by his 26,000 hits of smak) of the Australian lawyer (and his kids) who wants him out so badly.

It's sickening to see such intense support for this HEROIN DEALER by otherwise intelligent people. Oh, did I mention this guy is a HEROIN DEALER.

Yes Kevo, as you can see, it's all fine and dandy downunder, but nobody I know is liking it.

yhlc wrote:
"if i agree with u here, does that make u politcally correct? i agree on capital punishment carried out publicly. ti would save tax payers alot of money and make everybody think a hundred times before they consider drugs, rape and murder.

but then again, this my "politically correct" view isn't it?"

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Well, yes I think it does...scary huh, the anti-capital punishment view is the politically correct view. ;-))

I just seem to agree with the politically correct view or maybe the politically correct view just agrees with my personal view for once.....I find myself thinking on the pros and cons of each view as I type this response, I must admit it troubles me to think of the case in point again and again, I feel I could easily be swayed off my position due to my abhorance of the crime. It really is a hard thing to ponder upon, to justify the taking of a life but when I think of who the intended recipients of this guys heroin may have been and having had friends over the years killed by heroin, just maybe I would change my vote by Friday.

For me I guess it boils down to my own personal abhorance of the crimes committed. Rape, child molestation and suicide bombings are several I'd like to think I'd have no problem at all in pulling the lever on the perpetrator.

i guess in teh case of suicide bombing, the lever is pulled just before the victims and the rest of the world find out.

i think people who have been affected directly (victims) or indirectly (those who are close to victims) will be able to understand the voice for pro-capital punishment.

i've seen a friend's self-worth, confidence and respect destroyed bcos her "Friend" drugged and raped her twice over 2 months. and then he taunted her via sms bcos he knew that if she told her family, it would bring "dishonor" to their name.

she won't even tell me or my wife who the person is bcos she knows i would visit him with my friend who is a former detective senior sergeant for the CIB and have a "word" with him. he would be wishing for capital punishment after our visit.

i don't even know where to start with paedophiles. death is what they would be begging for as mercy after they feel the pain of salt continuously being rubbed into their wound after they are skinned alive. cant beleive some of these SOBs are actually people from elevated and highly trusting/respectful positions.

Originally Posted by yhlc

i guess in teh case of suicide bombing, the lever is pulled just before the victims and the rest of the world find out.

i think people who have been affected directly (victims) or indirectly (those who are close to victims) will be able to understand the voice for pro-capital punishment.

i've seen a friend's self-worth, confidence and respect destroyed bcos her "Friend" drugged and raped her twice over 2 months. and then he taunted her via sms bcos he knew that if she told her family, it would bring "dishonor" to their name.

she won't even tell me or my wife who the person is bcos she knows i would visit him with my friend who is a former detective senior sergeant for the CIB and have a "word" with him. he would be wishing for capital punishment after our visit.

i don't even know where to start with paedophiles. death is what they would be begging for as mercy after they feel the pain of salt continuously being rubbed into their wound after they are skinned alive. cant beleive some of these SOBs are actually people from elevated and highly trusting/respectful positions.

Agree with you 100% re paedophiles. They not only weasle their way into positions of trust and authority in the community but also into positions of power and respect bringing disrepute to what should be honoured positions in the community. Castration sounds good to me ;-) (for them that is!!)

It's infuriating that these kind of offenders are generally treated so leniently when their actions scar their victims for life.

You are so right in saying people close to these offences are more inclined to be pro-capital punishment and their situation is exacerbated by the way the authorities shelter offenders upon their release back into the community.

Hey that skinning alive thing sounds interesting.....shit, remind me not to piss you off ok. ;-)

I can appreciate how families want 5 minutes alone with these people but I can also appreciate why God reserves the right of revenge and I know where these offenders are going if unrepentent is gonna be a whole lot worse than anything we can dream up.

On another note, it's good to be talking with you in a non-adversarial manner. ;-)

TonyD

Originally Posted by boink

I wonder what the native-americans think about your enthousiasm.

I've never figured out why the American Indians are called native-americans.
They also immigrated to this land, before it was America, via a land bridge that supposedly used to exist between northern Asia and Alaska or via boat from Asia.
My family has been in America since before the American Revolution. My family helped in the founding of the United States of America. An American is a citizen of the United States of America. Yet, I am not considered a native of my own country. I am merely an American.

tony,

i was referring to only those who take actions against society and humanity so u're safe....

i don't think god needs to avenge. in my view, it's like removing a cancer. cancer will destroy u if you don't remove it. it's a fact. there is no need for "war" against cancer. u just get the sucker out and move on with your life before it removes your life and makes those who are close to you miserable.

again, in my view, god doesn't have any enemies. even satan needs god's permission in order to have the ability to do his (evil9deeds that's why he hates god so much.

when u are in absolute control, u have no enemies bcos bcos u are in contorl of everything - the beauty of being an almighty. BUSH junior on teh other hand...... -that's another topic

Lot's of interesting thoughts... :-)

I wonder... can I say that the US (as far as one can generalise) has quite a specific way of dealing with moral issues... as that sometimes (?) laws & regulations go much further than reality is & needs?
For example, in the US the original label of a Belgian beer called 'Forbidden Fruit' (showing a classical painting with a nude Adam & Eve) had to be replaced with a 'less offensive/morally inappropriate' (?) one (without 'nude')... while on the other hand sex & violence in the media all over the place... Isn't that another face of the same political over-correctness mentioned by a few members?
(Honestly, this probably isn't only a problem in the US, but it's imho at least more explicit than over here...)

Suppose (!) one accepts that we can't stop the current migration waves, then I see foremost a problem in how we learn to handle this period of change. And then, I'm worried that most politicians aren't talented (*) enough to 'grasp' the complexity of what's going on, not to say they should be able to communicate about what's essentially going on and find appropriate solutions to manage and guide this process and their people,... and as such they are capable to bring forward such stupid 'solutions' as the ones mentioned above... sometimes making it only worse. (Another example imho being the French minister of internal affairs' way of addressing the uproars in Paris.)

This makes me think that immigrants are rather 'collegues' sitting in the same boat as we do, on a long and painful journey in a complex situation... where's a desperate need for very capable leaders-managers...

Have to go now... lot's of work to be done... hope it makes some sense.
Have a good day!
Hasse

(*) One could say 'willing' too... following the assumption that the 'ruling class' profits from fear and therefore promotes it (see yhlc and others) and/or even just the play of different opinions & values. But imho one can't overestimate how much damage is done just by human 'imperfection' either.

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Originally Posted by yhlc

goldeneye (...) the decent thing to do would be to approach them ASK them if they really feel offended. 9.999 times of out 10, they will think u are crazy for even suggesting the notion that people get offended by such terms

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Originally Posted by avcguy

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Originally Posted by Hasse

Suppose (!) one accepts that we can't stop the current migration waves, then I see foremost a problem in how we learn to handle this period of change. And then, I'm worried that most politicians aren't talented (*) enough to 'grasp' the complexity of what's going on, not to say they should be able to communicate about what's essentially going on and find appropriate solutions to manage and guide this process and their people,... and as such they are capable to bring forward such stupid 'solutions' as the ones mentioned above... sometimes making it only worse. (Another example imho being the French minister of internal affairs' way of addressing the uproars in Paris.)

The politicians in this country have a firm grasp of the immigrant (mainly illegal immigrants) problems in the U.S. What they don't have is a firm grasp of is how their "constituents" feel about it. It comes down to money and power with the Republicans worrying about the former and the Democrats worrying about the latter.

In the case of the Republicans, they support business and trade. Companies that employ illegal immigrants boost their company profits by paying their workers less. These businesses, in turn, donate more money to the Republican party to keep the enforcement of immigration laws lax. Just look at where the majority of the Republican party's donations come from.

In the case of the Democrats, they want the larger socialist base to continue their positions of power and/or to gain more of it. Most of the illegal (and even legal) immigrants come from predominately socialist countries, and tend to support increasing socialist-based programs. In the U.S., most states and even the Federal government dictate that you have to take care of people when they go to the hospital or apply for Welfare or other government assistance. There are a lot of immigrants that make use of these services (at taxpayer expense of course). If they have the right to vote (certain states allow this) or get the right to vote, they tend to vote for Democrats because the Dems want to increase social spending. Of course they want to raise taxes as well but since the immigrant used pay 50 to 60% in taxes, and now they only have to pay 20% (or less)...They've already increased their standard of living and decreased their tax load; another 5 or 10% in taxes doesn't bother them. Immigrants provide a larger voter base for the Democrats so they don't want to enforce immigration law either.

Where the politicians are out of touch is how the average natural-born or naturalized U.S. citizen feels about it. We're fed up with our tax money being used to support immigrants and we're also tired of a lot of our jobs going to immigrants (mainly the illegal ones). However, until the everyday people of this country start voting the incumbent politicians (either party, doesn't matter) out of office, nothing will change.

AMEN everwiser, AMEN!!

i guess teh ingenius plan of divide and conquer didn't stop with the british. keep the masses divided so they (politicians) can keep their jobs and continue to get fed by the fat cats in teh corporate world.

i have my own business and when it comes to employment, the ONLY reason i am going ot hire someone is because they are qualified to do teh job (ability to communicate, understanding of cultural differences, etc) and therefore reduce my expenses and increase my revenues.

i personally don't care about race, status of visa, etc. if ur qualified, u deserve teh job. i also don't go for el cheapo salaries bcos they disappear as soon as they get a better offer. good salary plus performance bonus and reasonable objectives lowers employee attrition and increase the bottom line.

i wonder how many other business owners here subscribe to this view.

the problem is those who come from a worse of place are willing to work harder and longer for pittance bcos they want to stay where tehy are.

in time to come as it is already an issue, immigration wont be a worry in regards to unemployment. think "outsourcing". it's started with manufacturing and now to call centres. it will continue thanks to globalisaiton and the quest for achieve efficiency at teh expense of human life.

ive said it before and ill say it again. take away citizne's freedom and liberty (inlcuidng employmeent) and the only result is civil war and riots. as the song goes "it's only natural...."