Thread: America

Originally Posted by boink

The lower American states were former mexican soil a century ago. You should check up history. Not to pick a fight here, just pointing out some facts.

And now its not... what's your point?

With this kind of logic we may as well start at the beginning of time of man and trace who invaded whom and what territory was taken from what country and so on... and at the end of it all who's territory really belongs to the sovereign country of present day? Ever see maps of 4-5000 years ago? Borders look a bit different now.

But thanks for the history lesson...

/shred

Originally Posted by shredder

And now its not... what's your point?

With this kind of logic we may as well start at the beginning of time of man and trace who invaded whom and what territory was taken from what country and so on... and at the end of it all who's territory really belongs to the sovereign country of present day? Ever see maps of 4-5000 years ago? Borders look a bit different now.

But thanks for the history lesson...

/shred

Good point.

Originally Posted by everwiser

The politicians in this country have a firm grasp of the immigrant (mainly illegal immigrants) problems in the U.S. What they don't have is a firm grasp of is how their "constituents" feel about it. It comes down to money and power with the Republicans worrying about the former and the Democrats worrying about the latter.

In the case of the Republicans, they support business and trade. Companies that employ illegal immigrants boost their company profits by paying their workers less. These businesses, in turn, donate more money to the Republican party to keep the enforcement of immigration laws lax. Just look at where the majority of the Republican party's donations come from.

In the case of the Democrats, they want the larger socialist base to continue their positions of power and/or to gain more of it. Most of the illegal (and even legal) immigrants come from predominately socialist countries, and tend to support increasing socialist-based programs. In the U.S., most states and even the Federal government dictate that you have to take care of people when they go to the hospital or apply for Welfare or other government assistance. There are a lot of immigrants that make use of these services (at taxpayer expense of course). If they have the right to vote (certain states allow this) or get the right to vote, they tend to vote for Democrats because the Dems want to increase social spending. Of course they want to raise taxes as well but since the immigrant used pay 50 to 60% in taxes, and now they only have to pay 20% (or less)...They've already increased their standard of living and decreased their tax load; another 5 or 10% in taxes doesn't bother them. Immigrants provide a larger voter base for the Democrats so they don't want to enforce immigration law either.

Where the politicians are out of touch is how the average natural-born or naturalized U.S. citizen feels about it. We're fed up with our tax money being used to support immigrants and we're also tired of a lot of our jobs going to immigrants (mainly the illegal ones). However, until the everyday people of this country start voting the incumbent politicians (either party, doesn't matter) out of office, nothing will change.

I do not know what kind newspaper you read or what news channel you listen, buy you are totally wrong.

You missed news about President Bush just announce new immigration laws.

Were you been living anyway?

Originally Posted by newlife

I do not know what kind newspaper you read or what news channel you listen, buy you are totally wrong.

You missed news about President Bush just announce new immigration laws.

Were you been living anyway?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious so I'll answer as if you're being serious...

I've been following it, however the president doesn't make law. He can propose it but it will have to pass the House and Senate and I'll bet it will have more detractors than supporters when that time comes IF it actually gets to either floor for a vote. Besides, he's not calling for enforcement of the laws that are already on the books. Laws DO NOT prevent illegal immigration; they just provide repercussions for it AFTER it has already happened. Why do we need new laws when there are already volumes of them dealing with immigration?

Let them improve border security (extra people, physical barriers, etc.) and force those that wish to immigrate to go through the proper checks and steps instead of giving a pass to those who already broke immigration laws...

I'm not bad mouthing the President, either. At least he is taking the issue on. Other than a few congressmen or senators that have districts on the border, the rest of the Senate and House doesn't care.

Originally Posted by shauncr

The whole world of EDUCATED people DO know and they will tell you the same thing because it is an historical fact.

I can only assume that you only believe or understand things that have happened in your short life AND have personally seen with your own eyes.

I wonder how well you did in your History class ?

Please do a little research in the Catholic records or other christian religous history books and they will verify the facts for you, although you probably won't want to believe them, as they were not there when Jesus was born either !

Education is a wonderful thing......please try some

Meanwhile, back in "America"...

Originally Posted by shauncr

I would have thought most people would want to emigrate not imigrate !

Actually it's immigrate...

immigration - entrance of a person (an alien) into a new country for the purpose of establishing permanent residence...

This has been an interesting discussion. Thank you. Here are my thoughts...not exactly "my" thoughts...I do love America. The Lord, however, is my first love. I still believe we have it the very best here in the US even though the times they are achangin'. And maybe instead of God blessing the USA...maybe it's time for the USA to bless God. Just my two cents...

If tomorrow all the things were gone
I'd worked for all my life,
And I had to start again
with just my children and my wife,
I'd thank my lucky stars
to be living here today,
'Cause the flag still stands for freedom
and they can't take that away.

I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

From the lakes of Minnesota
to the hills of Tennessee,
Across the plains of Texas
from sea to shining sea.
From Detroit down to Houston
and New York to L.A.,
There's pride in every American heart
and it's time we stand and say:

I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

I'm proud to be an American
where at least I know I'm free,
And I won't forget the men who died
who gave that right to me,
And I gladly stand up next to you
and defend her still today,
'Cause there ain't no doubt I love this land
God Bless the U.S.A.

Wishing everyone a blessed New Year!