Thread: America

Amen Brother for your post...well said...and will pass it on
Sid

Originally Posted by psirois

When in the US, do as Americans do (speak English)

that's the least a person could do in order to have the privilege of a PR or citizenship. Again, integration from both sides are paramount.

the "this is my country, u have to come an learn my language so we can be friends" imperialistic approach is crazy. doesn't work and histroy proves it.

language is not enough (american civil war was not based on lack of language skills). integration requires appreciation of each other's culture and beliefs and until that happens, u can bet there will be disharmony.

think african american vs white americans vs american indians. it's not about language.

the darwinism theory of "the strong survive (rules) and the weak perish(assimilates)" is destructive and counter productive. one might have strength in military whilst another may have strength in unity.

Originally Posted by yhlc

that's the least a person could do in order to have the privilege of a PR or citizenship. Again, integration from both sides are paramount.

the "this is my country, u have to come an learn my language so we can be friends" imperialistic approach is crazy. doesn't work and histroy proves it.

language is not enough (american civil war was not based on lack of language skills). integration requires appreciation of each other's culture and beliefs and until that happens, u can bet there will be disharmony.

think african american vs white americans vs american indians. it's not about language.

the darwinism theory of "the strong survive (rules) and the weak perish(assimilates)" is destructive and counter productive. one might have strength in military whilst another may have strength in unity.

There shouldn't be hyphenated nationalities...You're either American, or you're not. You're either British or you're not. You're either French, or you're not. Etc, etc, etc. If you're an American citizen, naturalized or born here (it shouldn't matter), you should be an American...African-American (most of whom were born here and have no ties to Africa except that someone in their ancestry (100's of years ago) was from Africa, is ridiculous...I believe some of my family traced our roots back to 18th century France but I'm not a Franco-American...I'm American, period. All this multiculturalism is just gobbledy-goop for watering down what it is to be any particular nationality. Why should I, an natural born citizen have to learn about Zimbabwe? Schools/organizations in this country should be teaching everything about the United States; not how they do things elsewhere...If I ever decide to go elsewhere, I'll do my own studying about the place I'm going so as not to offend anyone there.

Totally agree Joy,
Multiculturism is fine and dandy so long as we do ALL the yielding. It's absolute crap!

Theodore Roosevelt summed it all up very well back in 1907 and I'll bet UK, France, Holland, Canada, the USA and we here in Australia took his advice back then.....exhume Arthur Caldwell, he's the only Australian politician who would have had the balls to say and act like most of us are thinking.

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

nice theory. histroy proves otherwise so let's deal with the facts.

pasting fancy quotes does not represent reality. hitler talked abut the superiority of the aryan race. what happened to him? the japenese thought of themselves as teh superior race. where are they now? so many nations have been brought down to earth for acting on their dillusional beliefs. the facts are the world is made of different culture,etc.

u can't change that. there have been nations in teh past and present who try to force citizens to assimilate and the result is civil war.

some of you guys are filled with hate. dont know if it is prejudice, ignroanceor, fear or all of the above.

still, it's scary and if u haven't realised it yet, it doesn't offer any win-win solution. that is the only. the i win, you loose (scarcity) mentality is short term and does not last. never has.

Originally Posted by yhlc

some of you guys are filled with hate. dont know if it is prejudice, ignroanceor, fear or all of the above.

I don't believe anyone on this thread has said that one race is greater than any other or played favorites with any particular nationality. Many (myself included) are just saying that those wishing to become part of a particular nation should acclimate themselves to that nation's culture without the expectation that the nation of their choosing (and the people thereof) should go out of its way to accomodate them.

People will combine (read that marry, mate, breed, whatever) as their hearts and minds dictate. This blending of peoples has been going on for centuries and is not going to be hampered by any lack of "multiculturalism" training in our society or schools.

If you want to truly become an American (or any nationality) then learn the language, the rules, etc. Only then will anyone truly learn what it is to be American (or any nationality).

Originally Posted by yhlc

nice theory. histroy proves otherwise so let's deal with the facts.

pasting fancy quotes does not represent reality. hitler talked abut the superiority of the aryan race. what happened to him? the japenese thought of themselves as teh superior race. where are they now? so many nations have been brought down to earth for acting on their dillusional beliefs. the facts are the world is made of different culture,etc.

u can't change that. there have been nations in teh past and present who try to force citizens to assimilate and the result is civil war.

some of you guys are filled with hate. dont know if it is prejudice, ignroanceor, fear or all of the above.

still, it's scary and if u haven't realised it yet, it doesn't offer any win-win solution. that is the only. the i win, you loose (scarcity) mentality is short term and does not last. never has.

I knew you'd be the first to respond to my post yhlc. LOL

You read a bloody heck of a lot into a Theodore Roosevelt quote. Ha! You're kidding right? Interesting that you obviously don't agree with the TR quote....no big surprise.
Where did you get the comparison to Hitler in what TR said?

Sounds like you're saying patriotism and retaining the culture of ones own country in preference to it forcebly being watered down to appease the folk who are living here by choice, not birth is, now how did you put it....hatred, ignorance, prejudice and fear. Hmm, you have an interesting perception of the rights of immigrants and those who choose MY country to live in. Notice, the decision was yours to come here, NOT mine, NOT the Australian public. You gotta know some Goverment decisions are not the express wishes of the community. Take a poll, ask the average punter in the street if they enjoy changing our way of life for immigrations sake.

Just so YOU get what I'm talking about....here's how it works. If my daughter invites a friend to stay at OUR home, the invitee once here doesn't have the right to start whinging and complaining about how we do things in OUR house. If they wish to stay, the rules of OUR home are thus and the if those rules don't suit the guest, well baby.....SEE YA, go stay somewhere else. Pretty simple ain't it.

I really think you do understand this yhlc as you seem to be adverse to just about every post that is anti-multiculturism and not voicing the politically correct position.

Now if you want to read hatred and ignorance into these posts that is your right in OUR country. They are the usual well worn inflamatory comments the the politically correct wagon riders use all the time to gag those who have the audacity to disagree with them. I'm surprised you didn't also slot the racist word into your observation.

It's kinda like the old story of placing a frog in a pot of cold water and placing the pot on the fire, by the time the frog realises he's getting cooked, it's too late.
There is NO win-win situation for the frog!!

Frogs legs anyone?

i think everwiser, ur response has clarified a lot of things. i agree with ur point of view.

if it iwas up to me, them immigrants who are requesting pr would have to do a test on the australian way of life prior to obtaining the pr. if one person fails, the whole family fails. this way, they would initially be pressured to LEARN and UNDERSTAND the host countrie's way of life.

having said that, i would do the same for anyone who is against multicultarlism. u hate a particular race or religion? fine! ur going to have to live like them fro the next 30 days. some may see it as a punishment but for those who have lived with other races both here and overseas will agree that it is a great experience.

why are there brides and grooms optin for marriage in bali, india, maysia and other "exotic" countries. it's fun. that's why.

wether i agree to assimilation or not is not relevant. fact is, it does not work.

tony, i sincelrely suggest u get out more often and mix with others. might fill the gap in ur life. im not being sarcastic. just go ahead and try and u'll see what i mean. it's hard to explain. sort of like explaing the taste of meat to a vegetarian.

if the number in ur nick reflects ur age or birth date, then u have a wealth of knowledge abotu australian culture and life. i would be the first to recruit u as teh trainer for my migration programme - if i had it my way.

im not against those who are prejudiced or filled with hate. i know where they come from. i used to be like them. i then realised that i could NOT change teh world. however, i could influence my surrounding by changing my attitutde. by doing so, my life is more worthwhile bcos i appreciate the wisdom of god for creating such a diverse world.

growing old is mandatory. growing up is optional.

tony,

btw, thanks for staing "our" country rather than "my" country. shows u have some maturity. :)

In the US of A, it is not the immigrants who are trying to create the political correctness, it is the libs. They are so smart and enlightened. Except they haven't figured out all this PC energizes the other side and that is why they will continue to lose elections. I hope they continue to think they are so smart and enlightened for many years to come. Taking Christmas away is not a wise move. Good luck with that libs, oh wise and intelligent ones.