Thread: America

Originally Posted by shauncr

Christ was born sometime in October.

I am sure you were there when he was born so you know something that whole world do not know..

Originally Posted by yhlc

i think everwiser, ur response has clarified a lot of things. i agree with ur point of view.

if it iwas up to me, them immigrants who are requesting pr would have to do a test on the australian way of life prior to obtaining the pr. if one person fails, the whole family fails. this way, they would initially be pressured to LEARN and UNDERSTAND the host countrie's way of life.

having said that, i would do the same for anyone who is against multicultarlism. u hate a particular race or religion? fine! ur going to have to live like them fro the next 30 days. some may see it as a punishment but for those who have lived with other races both here and overseas will agree that it is a great experience.

why are there brides and grooms optin for marriage in bali, india, maysia and other "exotic" countries. it's fun. that's why.

wether i agree to assimilation or not is not relevant. fact is, it does not work.

tony, i sincelrely suggest u get out more often and mix with others. might fill the gap in ur life. im not being sarcastic. just go ahead and try and u'll see what i mean. it's hard to explain. sort of like explaing the taste of meat to a vegetarian.

if the number in ur nick reflects ur age or birth date, then u have a wealth of knowledge abotu australian culture and life. i would be the first to recruit u as teh trainer for my migration programme - if i had it my way.

im not against those who are prejudiced or filled with hate. i know where they come from. i used to be like them. i then realised that i could NOT change teh world. however, i could influence my surrounding by changing my attitutde. by doing so, my life is more worthwhile bcos i appreciate the wisdom of god for creating such a diverse world.

growing old is mandatory. growing up is optional.

Oooh, how condescendingly arrogant of you! Ha ha

and also to your followup to this post. Also, very carefully selected use of pronouns. Well done. lol

Truth is, I don't particularly want to go to Bali or Pakistan or anywhere else for a month to see how the other half live, that sure don't qualify me for your veiled barrage of personal abuse and innuendo. Please say what's really on your mind. LOL

Not only don't I want to , I shouldn't have to, which is in fact what your mindset demands of me to have the privilege of you being here. Dream on.

If in your humble opinion I'm a hatred filled scared racist for wishing to retain MY way of life without having to cowtail to the whining whims of people who don't like the way the Australian culture is and the way we live, then so be it. There is an avenue of redress for those people...it's called, shut the door on the way out.

This whole thread is a glowing example of the futility of multiculturalism and of the puffed-up expectations and demands of those who take advantage of it.

You've got no idea where I come from pal, so aside from being patronisingly arrogant, now you're a clairvoynant.

It's obvious you have your views on this issue and I have mine, which is what the Australian culture allows.

As you are no doubt aware, this is a freedom not afforded in many parts of the world, this IS a freedom worth protecting and standing up for without being berated as a racist or a hatred filled red-neck for not jumping on the 'politically correct bandwagon'.

Please save your personal attacks for some other forum.

Originally Posted by newlife

I am sure you were there when he was born so you know something that whole world do not know..

I don't believe that level of sarcasm was needed...In the story of Jesus' birth it is told that the shepards were in the fields with their sheep. The shepards and sheep did not stay in the fields in wintertime. Even in that part of the world, December would be winter and the rainy season.

What shauncr said about the catholic church hyjacking a pagan holiday is true (in this case it took the place of the pagan celebration of Yule or Winter-Solstice). They did it with Easter/Ostara-Spring-Equinox and Halloween/Samhain-All-Hallows-Eve, (day after was declared "All Saints Day" by the Catholic Church) as well. It made the conversion to Christianity easier for the pagans if there was a "Christian" celebration coinciding with age old pagan celebrations. It has just been so many decades and centuries since it was done, no one remembers (except maybe in Europe where the actual transition took place). By the time North America started to be colonized, the transition was complete so it's not as well known in the U.S.

However, none of this has to do with the original direction of this thread...

Originally Posted by yhlc

i think everwiser, ur response has clarified a lot of things. i agree with ur point of view.

if it iwas up to me, them immigrants who are requesting pr would have to do a test on the australian way of life prior to obtaining the pr. if one person fails, the whole family fails. this way, they would initially be pressured to LEARN and UNDERSTAND the host countrie's way of life.

having said that, i would do the same for anyone who is against multicultarlism. u hate a particular race or religion? fine! ur going to have to live like them fro the next 30 days. some may see it as a punishment but for those who have lived with other races both here and overseas will agree that it is a great experience.

You were okay until the last paragraph...You're setting a trap and presiding over your own court. "Anyone who is against multiculturalism" is a very vague claim. Basically you're saying that if anyone professes to be "against" then they have to undergo "sensitivity training". It can also be taken the anyone "deemed" against is subject to the same rule. However, depending upon WHO is doing the determination of "against", everyone could have to undergo sensitivity training on multiculturalism.

Most people are very tolerant of other persons and their cultures, especially if they see that the person of another culture is sincerely trying to "fit in" in their new environment/country. Dictating multiculturalism is simply trying to water down the host country's peoples sense of their own nationality/patriotism. By watering down what it is to be any particular nationality, you are setting that nation up for social destruction.

i was just expressing a point of view. slight exaggeration. hopefully u did get my point that no one has the right to force others to follow a certain culture and abandon their own heirtage. i do think everyone should have some sensitivity training but that would be impractical and mostlikely impossible. fact is, you cant stop some people from hating others.

it's just dissapointing that there are people who choose to point fingers rather than look in the mirror. really sad.

tony,i think u already know what i think of you. point is, it is not relevant and shouldnt be relevant. i could not care less what u think of me. i choose to be diplomatic but i guess u can read between the lines.

u are right that we disagree so let's agree to that. at teh end of the day we have been given the right - not ONLY by australia- but by our creator to have a different point of view.

one day u will hopefully realise that just bcos people are different, it does not mean that they are your enemy. ur paranoia of other cultures is disturbing at best. u need to learn to be empathetic. the first two letters changes the word and may change ur life.

Originally Posted by yhlc

i was just expressing a point of view. slight exaggeration. hopefully u did get my point that no one has the right to force others to follow a certain culture and abandon their own heirtage. i do think everyone should have some sensitivity training but that would be impractical and mostlikely impossible. fact is, you cant stop some people from hating others.

it's just dissapointing that there are people who choose to point fingers rather than look in the mirror. really sad.

tony,i think u already know what i think of you. point is, it is not relevant and shouldnt be relevant. i could not care less what u think of me. i choose to be diplomatic but i guess u can read between the lines.

u are right that we disagree so let's agree to that. at teh end of the day we have been given the right - not ONLY by australia- but by our creator to have a different point of view.

one day u will hopefully realise that just bcos people are different, it does not mean that they are your enemy. ur paranoia of other cultures is disturbing at best. u need to learn to be empathetic. the first two letters changes the word and may change ur life.

Why do you continue to want to make this personal.

Why don't you address some of the issues I raise in my posts instead of reducing your argument to sarcastic chryptology and insult.

Why don't you answer why our lifestyle has to change, why our culture and tradition have to removed to appease the sensibilities of some sections of the immigrant community in our country? I can only conclude that you are agreeable to the political correctness that demands those changes. I'll tell you right now that while ever my ass points to the ground it is NOT acceptable to the vast majority of Australians. You call that paranoia, lack of sensitivity, hatred and racism.....you could not be further from the truth. I call it, I'm proud to be an Australian, I call it, I love my country and would fight to the death to keep her. I call it patriotism.

None of my posts attacked you personally and if you actually read and understood my posts you would surely read in them my problem is not with you nor with immigation or immigrants per say...I married an immigrant. My closest friend is an immigrant. Not that I need to justify my position to you.

My problem is with an enforced system of political correctness that demands our culture, our traditions, our way of life MUST change to accomodate certain sections of the immigrant community. Look around, all over the world this situation has resulted in nothing but violent and destructive behaviour in the streets of the adopted countries of people who chose to go there presumably for a better life. Do you think by destroying the place you live is an intelligent way to gain any positive reaction from the general population?


Sadly I'm not a mind reader and consequently don't know what you think of me and quite frankly I don't really give a rats. If you need to say something please don't be shy. LOL

Perhaps you should PM if you wish to ignore the issues in my posts and continue to serve up personal berating as I assure you if you continue, my next response will not be appropriate for this forum.

Tony56, I've been following your discourse with Yhic and can't help but chuckle. I have a brother that no matter how many different ways I try to explain something he only hears what he wants to... and most of it comes from himself.

I hope your views are representative of the majority of your country. As an American I often wonder if other like countries are experiencing the same kind of social chaos as we are. It does my heart good to hear sensible arguments from freedom loving people who have an understanding of what it takes to keep a country healthy. Sadly politicians, especially liberals, are so insecure and want to be liked so much that they enable bad behavior believing it will buy them respectability, when in fact the opposite is true.

And for your information about 80% of Americans agree with your view of immigration. I'm sure you'll that the immigrant is not the problem. Its the policy makers in all levels of government.

Originally Posted by kevo

Tony56, I've been following your discourse with Yhic and can't help but chuckle. I have a brother that no matter how many different ways I try to explain something he only hears what he wants to... and most of it comes from himself.

I hope your views are representative of the majority of your country. As an American I often wonder if other like countries are experiencing the same kind of social chaos as we are. It does my heart good to hear sensible arguments from freedom loving people who have an understanding of what it takes to keep a country healthy. Sadly politicians, especially liberals, are so insecure and want to be liked so much that they enable bad behavior believing it will buy them respectability, when in fact the opposite is true.

And for your information about 80% of Americans agree with your view of immigration. I'm sure you'll that the immigrant is not the problem. Its the policy makers in all levels of government.

Hey kevo,
I'll tell you how bad this is getting over here atm. You may have heard of an Australian citizen who has been in a Singapore jail for the last three years on heroin trafficing charges. He was caught with an estimated 26,000 hits of heroin. But according to him, he was doing it to get his brother out of debt (oh shit, well that makes it ok then, sorry my mistake)....by selling it to our kids no doubt. The bottom line is the guy's a HEROIN DEALER right. He is to be hanged this Friday in Singapore.

Now for all who oppose the death penalty....I'm in total agreement with your opposition.....BUT, Singapore law determined his guilt and punishment. Last time I looked they were a sovereign nation and as such have every right to do as their legal system permits in their own country.

There has been an absolute uproar in the press, all the politically correct, the lawyers the lefties, the greenies..etc etc screaming how our Prime Minister is a dog for not doing enough to save this HEROIN DEALER from the gallows. I might add there have been six separate requests by Australian Government officials including the Prime Minister to the Singapore Govt for clemency and for them to jail him for life rather than hang him.

No, not good enough say his lawyers and all the rest of the PC wagon riders, our Govt should go over there and demand his stay of execution and tell Singapore Govt they are barbarians and they should not hang this HEROIN DEALER and bla friggin bla bla. Are we still on planet earth here or what?

Some numbskull has even suggested we observe one minute silence in the community on Friday at the time of the hanging. Yes, now there's an idea, lets signify the hanging of a HEROIN DEALER the same as we do with your Independence Day, the English VE Day or our Anzac Day...are they for real. Lets erect a statue, sing songs......did I mention this prick is a HEROIN DEALER that would have sold 26,000 hits of heroin to our kids.

Now slap me in the face with a fish.....are we talking about a national hero, a soldier fallen in battle....NO, we're talking about a friggin HEROIN DEALER here. HELLO!!! H E L L O!!!

I might add this HEROIN DEALER is of Asian descent, which is a real godsend for the PC butt smoochers. You can just imagine how they are playing that one.

Maybe we should take up a partition to the Singapore Govt to have this guy released into house custody (accompanied by his 26,000 hits of smak) of the Australian lawyer (and his kids) who wants him out so badly.

It's sickening to see such intense support for this HEROIN DEALER by otherwise intelligent people. Oh, did I mention this guy is a HEROIN DEALER.

Yes Kevo, as you can see, it's all fine and dandy downunder, but nobody I know is liking it.

Very well PUT, They sould'nt wear out there welcome

tony,
when did i say that YOUR lifestyle has to change for the sake of other'?. if u read all my posts, the conclusion is that no one shoudl change for others. there is a big difference between a good host and a slave to other's culture.

i even criticised the victorian council who were considering to ban christmas carols at school. i even stated my dismay on hearing target banning christmas at work or the "piggy bank" termnilogy that may offend muslims who frankly speaking dont even care. if u still think i am politcally correct then you haven't read my posts.

and lastly, i even stated that if anyone has their culture or religion surpressed, the result would be civil war. i wasnt' referring JUST to non-caucasions. i was referring to anyone and everyone who has to change THEIR life to accomodate others. result is the same.

i think we may be arguing about the same thing but just for the sake of it, please demonstrate WHERE and WHEN i have suggested that aussies or anybody should changeTHEIR own lifestlye and ways for others (regardless of migrants, minorities or majorities.)

respecting and appreciating cultural differences DOES NOT under any circumstance forces you to ACCEPT them as YOUR way of life. its called understandting and being empathetic.

Originally Posted by tonyd56

Why don't you answer why our lifestyle has to change, why our culture and tradition have to removed to appease the sensibilities of some sections of the immigrant community in our country? I can only conclude that you are agreeable to the political correctness that demands those changes.