Thread: Q and A with BoN on the phone - Marek

First of all; the central bank of malaysia (or any other country) will only intervene if it has "a strong reason to believe" "everything is not all as it should be". This is not your regular bank investigation for checking your account. This (answer) was to be expected from the beginning. To assume something is wrong or even terribly wrong ..it's simply to early.
I suggest people just go about there lives and forget about pips for a while. We won't here the outcome, good or bad, anytime soon. Could be another six months. At least in my opinion. I think pips was just to grand an idea to keep of the radar.
Life imediately got interesting when I stopped waiting for a "miracle" to happen. That was more then a year ago. Try it, you'll like it.

Originally Posted by retred

Marek I appreciate your efforts especially when I understand you have a rather full load with your exams. However I don't necessarily agree with your evaluation of the status. Consider who you were talking with and how much they have to lose if they're wrong or gain if they're right - it only makes sense the representative you spoke with would paint a dim picture, it's in their best interest to do so.

I agree the info doesn't sound as positive as I would like, but remember this whole program is so foreign to the banking industry and goes against their normal procedures they want to find something wrong. It justifies their feelings if nothing else.

I would imagine there will be some definite problems uncovered and they will make the most of them and slap whatever fines they are allowed so as to make the most of the situation. After all it would certainly look bad for them if they couldn't find something wrong - I mean they already have 5 1/2 months invested.

We're going to be waiting some more before it's all said and done. Those of you who feel this is the handwriting of doom and gloom, get on with your life and leave the rest of us alone. Do you feel compelled to try to convince everyone you are right by continuing your arguments? If you think it's over, fine. Take off, see you later and don't let the door hit you in the fanny on your way out. Those of us who are willing to wait for final and official word will still be here whether or not you, the Rolclub or any other forum is around.

If we come through in a changed and modified program, great! If there are fines levied, they will be paid and the changes made, I'm sure. But, if we are forced to abandon the ship through the decree of the gov't, then so be it. At least we'll have the satisfaction of knowing we didn't act in haste and add to the burden of others.

As for me, I'll be around to wait on the decision of the gov't and I don't need the opinions of those of you who don't agree.

Retred

Totally agree. I'm not waiting for closure, I'm waiting for the resourcefulness that BM has shown in the past. He may not be talking, but I really don't believe that you could find him sunbathing right now. He's busy. I'm going to keep myself busy also.

Good things come to those who wait. What's a year or two? WHEN the restructured program comes back, it will be better than ever. From thumpers' post, I gather that there were mistakes made. I remember now that I made some mistakes also with the last four or five multibillion dollar businesses that I ran. LOL

Just trying to keep some perspective here.

May HIS best be yours in 2006'
Lloyd(mmfast)

Originally Posted by mmfast

Totally agree. I'm not waiting for closure, I'm waiting for the resourcefulness that BM has shown in the past. He may not be talking, but I really don't believe that you could find him sunbathing right now. He's busy. I'm going to keep myself busy also.

Good things come to those who wait. What's a year or two? WHEN the restructured program comes back, it will be better than ever. From thumpers' post, I gather that there were mistakes made. I remember now that I made some mistakes also with the last four or five multibillion dollar businesses that I ran. LOL

Just trying to keep some perspective here.

May HIS best be yours in 2006'
Lloyd(mmfast)

could not agree more!

Marek, Thank you !!!!!!
When I first joined this forum I was looking forward to the return of pips...
Then I started to joined other programs and started to generate income again

If it was not for you and the people here I would be down and out...
now I am more dirversified. My head is up and my friends are coming to see me again. Life is getting better

Thanks you All

Thank you marek. In deed, we must do something. We had nothing but B.S. from BN so far and now, almost 6 months has gone and it's time to call a spade a spade. What are the charges? What has Pips done wrong? I know we are in their country, but they have some laws also. DON'T THEY?
We are behind you 100 percent. Long live the PIPS!

as for myself,I have no other option than to wait it out.I will still hold an open opinion,and a positive thought for PIPS.However,if it is found we were taken,then I want the people whole did this to pay DEARLY!
If,however,no real crime took place,lets get this PIPS up and running!
Thanks to all for the info from RolCLUB,as I would still be in the dark as to what happened to my account!please keep us informed!Brad

Thanks Marek for contacting BoN, and passing on the info!

Hey club, What's up?

I know that this post may not make me very popular between the negative posts and the silence of Bryan, but please hear me out. Bryan doesn't have a stronger supporter than me, but please hear me out.

Most of you know that I went to Malaysia in May, just a few weeks before Gary and Warren resigned. I had several good conversations with several managers, Gary, Bryan, Sharon, Warren, and many of the "girls" that we all talked to on the phones. Things were already in pretty bad standing. Warren had come in wanting to make a lot of changes because he had no idea how many problems were cropping up all over the world. The first day in his office there were three new C&D orders from different US States, one from Canada and one from another country, New Zealand I believe though don't quote me on that. I remember also hearing the name "Queen Beatrice" if that rings any bells...

The gist of a lot of those conversations was that PIPS and it's subordinate companies were working in different jurisdictions all over the world. Imagine, if you will, taking on a project like that and trusting certain people to ensure that in absolutely every jurisdiction the company operated in, it kept track of every little change to applicable laws and immediately complied with all of them.

An example given in Gary's office was this: Bryan wanted to ensure that he could help as many people as he possibly could. Pioneers will remember that in the early days, people who lived in Malaysia could not participate because of some kind of laws about that kind of program operating out of their own country. By using some kind of structure in another country (Panama I believe) he was able to allow some of these to participate. Syed, the PIPS attorney who many of us met prior, had already left PIPS to study international law, but it was his understanding that this would be a lasting structure. According to Warren (the example given in Gary's office) this was an international no-no and should not have been attempted.

There were several things that Warren alluded to but didn't name and I won't even make a guess as to what all they added up to, but basically, he said that he couldn't believe the incoming surge of little problems coming in from so many jurisdictions. He said that ALL of them could be overcome and corrected, but some things had to be changed in order for that to happen. Some of them that he mentioned were things that were all over the old forums: closing new memberships, closing the forums, decreasing the benefits of PIPS and so on. He said that he had handed over thick, lengthy documents supporting all of these arguments to Bryan, and shortly after June we saw the forums go away.

While no one supports Bryan more than I do, I can say that communication isn't his strong suit, even when he's allowed to speak. I believe, and will continue to believe, that he is not allowed to speak right now. Until the investigation is over, I don't believe that anyone is legally able to speak about inconclusive results.

I believe that PIPS as a company had some short-comings. I believe that Bryan tried to do too much on his own and didn't delegate nearly enough. I believe that Bryan micro-managed the entire thing to death. This inefficiency early caused problems later on and when he had to depend on people like ... well, we won't name names... but when he finally did release some responsibility to others to ensure proper compliance in all of those jurisdictions that he was trying to operate in...he got let down. There is no doubt they were swamped, they didn't really get their reigns until it was ALMOST too late and when they did, they didn't do enough. They had enough money and could have got a lot more staff but not enough was done too late in the game to sort it all out.

I believe these things because they were discussed face-to-face with me. I also believe that Bryan has some aces in the hole. I have reason to believe that. Don't ask.

Bottom line is, I believe in Bryan and what he started out trying to do. I believe that he is capable of winning the war though there may be a few "not good conduct" battles that he will certainly lose. He Gary and Warren told me that, though not exactly in those words.

More than all of this, I believe that if we give up on Bryan now, the Negativity generated by hundreds of thousands of people will collectively be the end of what we all have worked and hoped for. Please don't give up on Bryan. Please have the faith, equivalent to a mustard seed, and if you can't believe that he WILL WIN, then at least believe that there is a CHANCE that he MIGHT WIN.

Please don't give this any negative energy. Instead, pray, or whatever you might call it in your belief system, with a sincerely open heart...put forth your positive "prayer," "energy" or whatever and then ask the question of what will happen without worry.

Many people have heard me say that everything happens for a reason, but I don't believe that Bryan brought us all to this point to lose. Let's win this. Help Bryan by giving him your good thoughts and energies and wait it out. Once the investigation is over we will see what the true findings are and whether or not the general population is making mountains out of ant-hills.

Give Bryan a chance. Some feel that they have already given him a chance but if you look at how slow the legal system is and how many jurisdictions they have to investigate (at least 72 that I know of) and all applicable laws, you would KNOW that it's going to take a while longer.

You have absolutely nothing MORE to lose by doing this and everything to gain if we are successful COLLECTIVELY by waiting and giving good energies.

v/r

Thumper

Originally Posted by Thumper

Hey club, What's up?

I know that this post may not make me very popular between the negative posts and the silence of Bryan, but please hear me out. Bryan doesn't have a stronger supporter than me, but please hear me out.v/r

Thumper

Eric (Thumper)

Although I have my major doubts.... that was one great post!

Hi I don't post anywhere very often, but I always read what is going on.
I believe that we a re in a battle with all the powers that be who are trying to stop this internet investing world wide. We need to pray and break this strong hold that these people have inflicted on all of us and have faith that all will work for our good.
I personally believe that Brian will pull us through this.