Thread: Q and A with BoN on the phone - Marek

Great. Then that's cleared up. Thanx for providing these words to describe it. I usually know how stuff works but I rarely know or remember the "technical terms" lol.

btw probably the explanation is different because it's set up differently... an unusual form of a very common financial form.

Oh yeah... and in your example that would be a 160% profit in 6 months

Hello Marek,

You are doing a great job and thank you for all your efforts.

There is a saying: "Don't beat somebody who has fallen. Bryan seems to be in a very deep and dark whole, from which it wont be easy to climb up. I have
only to accuse myself and even the other16000 investors, who couldn't see the deep whole Bryan has invited us.

okan

Excuse me Okan, His name is BRIAN and is over at TG...
per the latest...HE'S been digging a huge hole...
I think you've mixed these two scenarios...

I even heard TG Brian will go to Jail...
AND that's ANOTHER hole...

and if he's alone...it will be a Hole-In-One...
But of course he's promoting SCAMS on WHOLESALE...
And that's not good per the HOLY GOST...
So now he'll be in a wholesome environment...
But I think he'll need a Holeday anyhow...

Largo

Originally Posted by Largo

Excuse me Okan, His name is BRIAN and is over at TG...
per the latest...HE'S been digging a huge hole...
I think you've mixed these two scenarios...

I even heard TG Brian will go to Jail...
AND that's ANOTHER hole...

and if he's alone...it will be a Hole-In-One...
But of course he's promoting SCAMS on WHOLESALE...
And that's not good per the HOLY GOST...
So now he'll be in a wholesome environment...
But I think he'll need a Holeday anyhow...

Largo

Hi seems such a mildmanered type of lamb, [I mean chap] when he posts here at ROLCLUB [very well educated inded]-hum-

Hi ya'll,

Lloyd here from Texas. I used to go to work and hurry home so that I could do research on my fundamentals and technical analysis for my commodities trading. I had a small account. Less than 5,000.00 I did okay, but felt limited as I wasn't making but about 50% on my money per annum.

One fine day I decided that I was going to take 3 days off work and do some day trading. Now I had been trading mostly in grains and t-bonds so I was well stocked in charts and fundamentals on those.

I started in that Monday using only about 1500 of my account and that day made about 1250.00. This was on my usual stuff. The second day my usual stuff did not seem to be moving much so I moved on over to some stuff that I had taken a casual interest in, sugar, etc... made about 350.00 that day using about 2000.00 for leverage. The third day, went into uncharted territory because my usual and casual interests looked dead. Lost everything but about 300.00 in my account.

I said all that to say this... If you look at the amount I used for leverage, the percent returned for the first, even the second day, was far above the 2 percent level and if I did not get stupid and try to force something to happen, I would probably be sitting in front of a couple of screens for about 6hours a day making a killing. When I get disciplined enough, I may return. I really think that people that trade in a market everyday(forex-1.2trillion/day)probably know how to get a return far above 2%.

Just my humble opinion,

Lloyd(mmfast)

May HIS be yours in 2006

thats grate Lloyd

Originally Posted by biggfredd

A business that cost 120K and netted 100K a year is yielding 83.3%, not 730%.

Hmmmm... are you sure you went through 8th grade math? I'm using that as your perspective since you commented earlier that this is the level of math needed to know whether 2% per day was sustainable or not...

If you look closely at what I wrote you will notice that I put not one dollar into the deal of my own yet received better than 100k per year for it w/ less than ten hours per week of work... and I wrote this in response to you saying nobody in the business world could replicate that. The return by the way is infinite since there was no money put in in the first place to have an roi associated w/.

My suggestion that you are using old school methods was not meant as a disrespect to you in any way, sorry if you took it that way. You are using brick and mortar buildings w/ retail and wholesale numbers to try to figure how these returns can be made and I wholeheartedly agree that in that respect they probably can't (but I do have a friend who owns an import/export business and makes 2% per day look like play money!). What we are talking about is something completely different. For your information I strongly suggest reading some books on forex and/or commodities/options markets. They will give you some insight that is just too hard to give in a forum. I wish you all the best.

/shred

And I do agree w/ you that 2% or around that figure per day is only scalable to a certain degree. And how long is it sustainable, who knows?

The forex market has only been available to the general public since 1997 so even if someone was able to put together systems to make 2%/day since that time its only 9 years and no way of having long term data of sustainability.

For the record I have just about doubled my investment money every 30 days or so for about a year. I've calculated that if I can continue this streak for the next couple of years I can cash out and never work again, only dabble in the markets when I choose.

So the bottom line is this, scalable or sustainable or not, if you can make huge returns in a given time span, invest them in more stable, sustainable markets (real estate, income-producing assets, mutual funds, etc.) then in my view, that's the goal everyone here is striving for (or at least I am :) ).

And you are correct, my buying of that business does not come down the pike everyday, but I used that as an example and I'm sure its not an extreme example because I know of others that have done it as well. Of course its not possible to put deals like that together every couple of days, but the example was used to counter the statement that it is not possible to do this (and you said it as a 'never' type of statement).

You seem very knowlegeable about storefront type business and I applaud you for that and hope it has made you wealthy. But I caution you in your downplaying of potential returns in markets you do not know, just because in your paradigm it can't exist.

Again, knowledge is power and it may be something that can change your life...

/shred

Originally Posted by biggfredd

The real question is, what is the % return on the invested money required to provide this 160% return, considering that you are constantly removing funds from the investment?

The 160% was from your example of the 10% for 26 weeks thing...

Whether you add or withdraw from it shouldn't change the required percentage.

Originally Posted by biggfredd

Yes, I'm sure. Whether you managed to get the money from someone else or not, by your own statement, the business cost $120K and earned $100K in the first year, which is an 83% annual return.

You still haven't answered my question about why anyone would give you a 2% a day return on your money. Even if your im-ex friend is making far more than that, is he willing to borrow money at 730% insterest?

IOW, I agree that there may be ways to make a 2% a day return on a limited amount of capital. What I disagree with is that anyone is going to be willing to give someone a 2% a day (or even 83% a year) return just to borrow money.

There are too many other ways to get it for less. One of the best is to promise huge returns, get money from people, and then never pay them back at all, making the interest rate -100%.

There you go with the 730% again... even though a couple of pages back you agreed that it wasn't. Even if it were 2% a day (no fees to subtract) you still have to count only businessdays so it would be 250% in 6 months. It's not, however.

To use your words: a self-liquidating annuity in which 2% of the principle (minus fees) is returned each period (businessday) for a term of aprox 125 periods. This equals aprox 130% profit / 6 months)

You even say yourself that this is "a very common financial form" (except that the period is different)

It's a good point that it needs to be a limited amount, and I think we all know that it will be. At least those who've read the updates. If it continued to grow into infinity, it would most likely be the first one ever to do that

To answer your question about why:
To provide financial freedom.

If you fail to understand that, of course you wonder why.
You might not believe it. You might not believe that someone would want to do that.
That's your issue, though, not mine.