Thread: Rolclub New attempt to assist claim on your PIPS $$$.

Originally Posted by trale

What about with those who didn't made their deposit directly to pips but through members with virtual money?

Good question for concern at this early stage. In any court which will eventually and only accept & approve submitted claims of monies belonging to scammed Claimants, it will be best to inform them to come out and first join this forum with a sign up handle and be identified as an individual that is the true person behind the alleged amount lost to BM. I say this merely because, when we do get that far in determining whose money so and so belongs to, it will then be required that this be verified and no other person other than the actual person stands behind the sum belonging to him or her. It will also be Notarized if the court requires this too like in Malaysia.

If you can't, then there is another option. Provided the Judge or Court exercises options & alternatives which may require you to appear in person before the Judge in his court. We will try to avoid this need for as much as we can.

Regarding "virtual money", this is a tough point for me to get the real message through. Its not that difficult to explain but it will be tough for the other end to comprehend and accept the way things are viewed by the Court, even the Lawyers and certainly, the Judge who will not want to know about anything regarding virtual money because its not an approved or accepted currency and esp. from a scheme that is completely illegal to begin with.

YB

Originally Posted by bgsretired

Thanks for re-opening the efffort/new initiativve to recover monies "taken" by Bryan Marsden in the PIPS Scheme. I would like to participate in this initiative. Your comment below was that only 18 Claimants were successful (for their determination and perserverance) in retrieiving their money. Following are some questions that may help us decide how to approach this:


Thanks again for re-initiating this effort.

bgsretired (or at least was hoping to be with PIPS Investment)

1. What did the 18 Successful Claimants do and how did they do it to recover their monies.
2. What lessons can we learn from them in their successful recovery of their monies ?
What took place was simply, follow the instructions both from me to begin with, and subsequently, show the patience as they certainly did from the confidence that I created to make each and everyone felt is secured and thereafter, come to the understanding, during our zillion amount of email and telco exchanges I undertook individually with them for the privacy mode was always in place as desired above all things by them. until the stage arrives when family is fully aware WHO the other Claimant is, after more than 3,5 years of private exchanges. No risk was spared to guarantee full privacy of every individual Claimant. Recovering the monies is left to us and altogether at a later stage when the Lawyer steps in and I step out, as I had decided it that way so I don't need to be involved nor interfere a smooth follow-up process that the Lawyers resume over.
I just get updated by Batty and another Claimant that I assigned to assist Batty, they both keep me informed an if necessary my guidance but I knew, it was not going to take palce because of the planning & timing which I envisaged would & did take place to further a smoother course of the process despite it consuming another 11 months between the Lawyers Office and the Courts and regular intervals by Batty with face-to-face meetings at the Lawyers Office.

3. What monies did they recover, just their investment or interest promised or . . . .?
The monies they recovered as a payout refund is based on the amount the Court decides on that reflects their principal monies which BM had and was proven to have accepted by transfers that are validated & verified with paper proof submitted. Certainly NOT regarding interests etc!!!

4. Has anyone been identified and provided guidance and direction on representing those interested in filing claims against Bryan ?
None of that was deemed necessary since BM is in custody and serving after the Authorities proved his guilt. That is not a concern for Third Party Claimants. But if anyone who planned to, didn't show up but who wants to? Claimants are only interested in getting back their monies! That was only possible since the money is acknowledged to be in possession with the colluding institutions i.e. The Bank and the State which is represented by the State Prosecutor.


5. Is Bryan exempt from any additional legal action against him?
As far as you are referring to Malaysia, its history now for him esp. after serving his time as laid down on him with a sentence in their prison.


YB.

Originally Posted by steivang4

I am trying the best i can to understand everything you say, and with my school-english it can be a bit hard sometimes:-) But i also wondering what i can do, feeling very stupid that thought the best of pips and still lost the savings that i should have given to my two little girls instead, so very much regrets and that is not very easy to forget, so hope we can do something about the lost money and also for our pride lol. Its very tuff to start trusting people again after hitting the wall like we did that time, and for marsden to be a free man; he shure do not deserve that, and hopefully someone finds him, i shure would have a word with him;-)
Wishing every one of us good luck, and hope it would not take several years.

Well, you can start turning the tables this time round by being active with the rest in here and share your side of positive thoughts to help yourself and them. Together, you can make it happen someday and I'll see and assist my part to help along for as long as it takes to be sure something positive eventually works out for all Claimants that stood the mile to recovering the payout refunds.

YB.

Originally Posted by tport

I am like the others wanting to try to get a successful claim initiated. Bgsretired has a good starting point. But after getting those questions answered, an attorney will have to be engaged. I would hope that whoever would be interested in getting the claim moving in the legal arena, that they would be willing to do this on a contingency basis. I am sure there is enough monies available in the event that a legal counselor is successful in filing and completing this claim on a class-action basis. I would be willing to discuss this matter regarding my personal situation on a phone call, but not over the internet (if we get that far). I believe that if more monies are required for retainers and standard time billed legal fees, then most people will just simple say "I've learned my lesson" and move on. This, as I see it, will determine if the door for concluding a successful claim will either open or close. I will keep my eye on this thread.

We have been there with that mindset & approach. It doesn't work, like I mention earlier, and from experience recently gained and served well, No Money, No Talk. Unless a ProBono Law firm gets on board for their own PR & publicity sake. then again, if this pursuit finally ends up in a USA State Court, and for all the trouble that can be anticipated to be confronted with... and again, the chances of most Claimants being informed way in advance that they may not see much of the money if and when it gets to be refunded, I'm sure 99,9% will call it a day with dismay!!!

Like I mentioned earlier, we have been there with this option considered and it won't win any sane support among this new group either who are determined to be refunded and not plan to see nothing much gained in the end, my firm opinion here on this suggestion made by you.

YB.

OMG. I really didn't think anything would become of this. I did help with the expenditures of Batty for awhile but got discouraged with the Judicial system there. I thought it was a waste of time. I am grateful that we have another chance of ollecting some money. 2000 isn't very much to some people but it was a lot to me. Thank you Yogi for the opportunity to try to get the money back.

Edit: Welcome back Rojack and I know yr invested amount isn't much but only you know just how much it meant to you. No one will be judged by WHO they were or once did, its now to serve ALL that wants to come in and be on the bandwagon for a collective effort and the more we have, the more you know you can rally in, let them know about this new attempt and someday, with a strong number to pursue, that opportunity will materialize which is made possible by your combine efforts we will assist like we did with the Malaysia Claim. - YB.

Hi There, I would like to put my name on the list of those wanting their money back. I have since moved house and changed my email address from that originally given to BM. How do I go about being part of this? I am not a computer buff so I don't do much on the web and do not know how to help. Give me instructions and I will see if I can follow them. lynettei

Edit:Hi Lynettei, NAP but do keep a lookout soon on the next email announcement regarding your email request sent to me with the relevant details needed. In the meantime, stay active and visit this thread as often as possible for your input and exchanges with fellow membership with this same cause as you want to be in. - YB.

I helped a couple dozen folks get into the PIPS program. Most of them never got a return on there investment. I have lots of records. How would they be of help ?
Thanks Yogi !

dinorog1

Edit:Hi Dino, do keep a lookout soon on the next email announcement regarding your email request sent to me with the relevant details needed. In the meantime, stay active and visit this thread as often as possible for your input and exchanges with fellow membership with this same cause as you want to be in. - YB.

I'm still here. What is our first step? We should probably figure out what kind of lawyer is the best guy to get and come up with a fund or something, right? Would the lawyer's used for the last claim handle another one? Seems like it would make sense to use someone already experienced in this matter. Lets do this.

Edit:Do keep a lookout soon on the next email announcement regarding your email request sent to me with the relevant details needed. In the meantime, stay active and visit this thread as often as possible for your input and exchanges with fellow membership with this same cause as you want to be in. Should it be pursued in Malaysia again, which I am certain will NOT be the case, we can approach the same Lawyers without question. They will also NOT, I'm also very certain of this, take on any pursuit that will take place outside Malaysian Judiciary. - YB.

WOW it has been years since I heard anything about Rolclub or pips. Glad to be back! For some reason all this time I never got anything from Rolclub until now. Thats ok,, and count me in about working to get my and anyone else's money back. I still have all my paper work showing the money I transfered from my bank to BM's bank and the accounts, everything!
So please let me know what I can do or help
Phil

Edit: Hi Phil, do keep a lookout soon on the next email announcement regarding your email request sent to me with the relevant details needed. In the meantime, stay active and visit this thread as often as possible for your input and exchanges with fellow membership with this same cause as you want to be in. - YB.

It seems to me that if we want to solve this problem we first need to know if there is a reason to make an issue to continue this conversation. We need to know if funds are available! Next we need find someone who may not be sensitive to our cause, but would be willing (for a fee) to help us retrieve the monies in our accounts. I am not willing to put good (I have none anyway) money after bad, but be I am willing to work a deal with someone who has the power and authority to help.

I mean this is legitimate money that the government will eventually confiscate if the dollar last that long, so we need to put a plain into action. Before we all come up empty handed.

Best regards to all!

JTH