Thread: BTI information

The people who are trying to bring Pips down are those who stand to LOSE becuase of a program that is so out of the box - and I wonder who those people are - - hmmmmm - could it be the financial consultants, the credit card compnaies, the loan sharks, people in the actual fianancial community??....

I think we go way bigger here than just trolls and trouble makers and people starving for power.

Piccologal

p.s. Boatman and Velvetpatches, I applaud the both of you for being able to disagree without trying to bash each other up against a wall! We should all be able to present both sides in such a civil manner. Thanks!

Originally Posted by truepipster

Bull bull bull.
I am so tired of hearing that it is the members fault, it is the banks fault.
We should have known better than to expect our money back in the TIME FRAME stated on the website.
BULL BULL BULL.
IT IS Bryans fault.
IT is the lies, the delays, the untruths , the not making the members a priority.
I am tired of all the blame going somewhere else other than where it belongs.
I have been an advid supporter but come on.. this is like putting blinders on by now. IT is WAY beyond the point of thinking outside the box and blah blah blah.
Put the blame where it belongs and get real.
I too wish for the best but I see members running off to other programs
now and pretty much chaulking this one up to a lose.
That just sucks.
This company needs to be held liable for the loans and the promises in what ever way that can happen.
Shame shame shame on the company for putting itsself into this position.

What did you say your name is??? I musta read it wrong. I thought it said TRUEpipster...............

Originally Posted by boatman

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You have got to be kidding....payments stopped on Jan 15 and have not advanced one day since.
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Totally wrong. Payments stopped on the 29th January. Some got paid for withdrawals on that date.
We requested transfer to dc on that date and it was in SpeedyWallet on March 18.

Originally Posted by The Mighty One

Originally Posted by boatman

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You have got to be kidding....payments stopped on Jan 15 and have not advanced one day since.
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Totally wrong. Payments stopped on the 29th January. Some got paid for withdrawals on that date.
We requested transfer to dc on that date and it was in SpeedyWallet on March 18.

True debit card payments got paid to the 29th, i was only refering to checks, didn't say it though ,so your right....doesn't change the basic truth that Pips is and has been in default for a very, very, very long time...

My debit card never got funded did my first withdrawal on the 1 or 2 of Feb..

Originally Posted by truepipster

Bull bull bull.
I am so tired of hearing that it is the members fault, it is the banks fault.
We should have known better than to expect our money back in the TIME FRAME stated on the website.
BULL BULL BULL.
IT IS Bryans fault.
IT is the lies, the delays, the untruths , the not making the members a priority........

Why dont you post this out on TG as you usually do (where it thruthfully belongs). We have no need for it here - it's enough with one place containing all the venom some are more than happy to let loose on others... :evil:

Originally Posted by vintagejet

Originally Posted by truepipster

Bull bull bull.
I am so tired of hearing that it is the members fault, it is the banks fault.
We should have known better than to expect our money back in the TIME FRAME stated on the website.
BULL BULL BULL.
IT IS Bryans fault.
IT is the lies, the delays, the untruths , the not making the members a priority........

Why dont you post this out on TG as you usually do (where it thruthfully belongs). We have no need for it here - it's enough with one place containing all the venom some are more than happy to let loose on others... :evil:

Truepipster is just stating his piece, and should be allowed to without someone attacking him personally, telling him not to post.
I have noticed that the people who only want to hear the story told their way, "a postive way" are really the venmous mean spirited ones here.
There are, "trolls" on both ends of arguement spectrum. Hard to say who is worse..

Originally Posted by truepipster

Bull bull bull.
I am so tired of hearing that it is the members fault, it is the banks fault.
We should have known better than to expect our money back in the TIME FRAME stated on the website.
BULL BULL BULL.
IT IS Bryans fault.
IT is the lies, the delays, the untruths , the not making the members a priority.
I am tired of all the blame going somewhere else other than where it belongs.
I have been an advid supporter but come on.. this is like putting blinders on by now. IT is WAY beyond the point of thinking outside the box and blah blah blah.
Put the blame where it belongs and get real.
I too wish for the best but I see members running off to other programs now and pretty much chaulking this one up to a lose.
That just sucks.
This company needs to be held liable for the loans and the promises in what ever way that can happen.
Shame shame shame on the company for putting itsself into this position.

some people can see with their eyes closed and their minds open...others see nothing with their eyes open wide shut..........

Bryan spent countless months traveling around the globe to meet as many members as he could. That was not a pleasure trip for him that was his desire to come into contact with as many members as he could so they could hear from his own lips about the 5 year plan. Bryan didn't dream something as horrible as the downing of Picpay would have been included in his 5 year plan...but that was his weak spot and those who think that they have gained the upper hand over him, chose that spot to strike, and they struck it hard and repetitively. I remember my chats with him in Las Vegas, even then he was well traveled and looked like he could use a week in bed and that back in September of 2004, I can only imagine what he is feeling now.
A 5 year plan is exactly that and anyone with any business sense knows that there are ups and downs.
Everyone is complaining that he has run off with the money in Picpay which is udder BS. There were millions scammed out of Picpay by members and non-members alike....You don't wave your magic wand and expect to see millions re-appear. When you have a financial loss, it is just that....A LOSS....no income will replace that loss...if you have 20 million in the bank and you loose 10 million....you don't still have 20 million in the bank....so yes the situations which have happened inside of Picpay are the result of members taking ful advantage of a situation....the members are the ones who are now suffering and not from Bryans hands, but by those who have gained from their ill gotten greed.....as I have said before follow the money trail and it will lead you directly to all of those who have prospered from this tragic situation.... 8)

Why dont you post this out on TG as you usually do

I have NEVER posted at TG.. so give it up.
And I have always supported pips
But I will NOT wear blinders either.
This is NOT the members fault, and we were NOT greedy for wanting our money as so stated in the pips forum.
These two points burn me up.
I will wait with the rest to see the outcome, but I will not live in La La land anymore with rose colored blinders on.
I want this to work out just as much as all of you do.
My whole family is in this because of ME!!!
So How do you think that makes me look now???
Huh?
So what do you say to your loved ones, who also had a dream and a hope for a better life??
I send Bryan positive energy everyday.
I post here what I feel.
We have not lost the battle yet, I hope, and I will continue to be hopeful.
But it gets harder everyday.

Originally Posted by azmia

Everyone is complaining that he has run off with the money in Picpay which is udder BS. There were millions scammed out of Picpay by members and non-members alike....

....so yes the situations which have happened inside of Picpay are the result of members taking ful advantage of a situation....the members are the ones who are now suffering and not from Bryans hands, but by those who have gained from their ill gotten greed.....as I have said before follow the money trail and it will lead you directly to all of those who have prospered from this tragic situation.... 8)

azmia!

It does not look like everyone is complaining that he run away with the money!....and I am convinced that only very few members believe so.

I disagree with your tesis that members are to blame for the lack of paying the members. To me there have been some very poor fraud prevention routines in PIPS. I dont blame members for the fact that some scammers took advantage of this weakness. They will always be around to plunder any site that do not have a system to prevent fraud.

hine

The unfortunate thing is the ones instigating the most are the NEW MERCHANTS with no pips accounts.

They stand to lose nothing but their commissions on members purchases that are frozen... But they have managed to convince a tiny percentage of pips members that this is the correct line to take and are allowing them to go to the forefront! These pips members are so weak and easily led that they do not see the forest for the TREES.

They have never botherred to look at any past internet venture that gets shut down, and that the only ones who earn big in this case are the lawyers... NEVER THE MEMBERS!

And all Bryan was trying to do... was to help regular guys out of the hole and get them financially free!

It is so pathetic!

How true Spongebob.