Thread: PIPSINC HEARING NEWS - 22/May/07

Originally Posted by bellventures

In reply to all of the above;

First let me say that I am an Paralegal in the US and noticed that BM will have to first be formally charged with the crime he allegedly committed. I do not believe that has happened as yet. If he is not formally charged then he will be free to go very soon. I do not believe that there is proper evidence against Brian or his wife. I do believe that any evidence that may appear to be against Brian was planted there and is inadmissable in any English or American court of law. Now Bat when you go to the court please
observe and notice the actual events. I am not interested in how Brian looks or his wife. They are in a jail how are they supposed to look like. I am only interested in the actual facts of the records of the court itself. You may not be able to obtain a copy of the records as normally in a criminal case
the records are not available to the public.
After this is over, the records will be available to the public.

I will state for the record of this forum that Brian is an honorable man and did not launder money at all. Any evidence that has been supposedly used was planted and cannot be used against him.

Yes, he has a very good lawyer representing him. And lastly I expect to see
Brian very soon.

Please do not reply with emotion as it only wastes your time and energy.

bellventures

Interesting,

I suggest you catch up on the case details first, as there are over a hundred charges of money laundering involved to date, and with the latest bail reduction hearing denied, I don't think we will see Bryan or Sharon free in a very long time. Since you don't believe proper evidence was gathered over the past two years, even if half the charges were dropped, they would still be locked for up to 5 years on each charge, so I would suspect the evidence is overwhelming given Bryan did not even keep and books to back up his illegal transfer of money to private accounts with no records, other than the banks, so I don't think any of us will be seeing Bryan and Sharon in other than prison garb for years.

Good luck and health to all, Mike

an honorable man who loves matrix.

Originally Posted by Owen Platt

It would seem that Mr. and Mrs. Marsden had more than enough financial support in the past since it enabled them to shift considerable sums from the company (your money) into their own private accounts.
It is, in fact, this fraudulent conversion that is the subject of the charges laid against them so far.
Pips was a fraud from day one - the figures you were looking at were mere numbers on a screen. No investments, no capital base of $700 million, no gold bars in Australlia, no insurance policy and no "trust accounts" into which your money was supposed to have been placed.
The present fund is to allow a representative to attend the court proceedings and provide a report on the situation - nothing more.

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If what you say is true we might as well throw the towel in and forget PIPS, as the game is over. However, if you have no proof then we should move forward to find out the facts, and determine if monies are available. I met Bryan a couple of times and felt that he was "hard headed" but had the desire to make PIPS sucessful.
Cal

Alien adduction, Alien autopsy, Bigfoot video, Loch Ness Monster, Virgin Mary grilled cheese sandwich and The 2 percent daily compounding interest program.

Originally Posted by bellventures

In reply to all of the above;

First let me say that I am an Paralegal in the US and noticed that BM will have to first be formally charged with the crime he allegedly committed. I do not believe that has happened as yet. If he is not formally charged then he will be free to go very soon. I do not believe that there is proper evidence against Brian or his wife. I do believe that any evidence that may appear to be against Brian was planted there and is inadmissable in any English or American court of law. Now Bat when you go to the court please
observe and notice the actual events. I am not interested in how Brian looks or his wife. They are in a jail how are they supposed to look like. I am only interested in the actual facts of the records of the court itself. You may not be able to obtain a copy of the records as normally in a criminal case
the records are not available to the public.
After this is over, the records will be available to the public.

I will state for the record of this forum that Brian is an honorable man and did not launder money at all. Any evidence that has been supposedly used was planted and cannot be used against him.

Yes, he has a very good lawyer representing him. And lastly I expect to see
Brian very soon.

Please do not reply with emotion as it only wastes your time and energy.

bellventures

If he has not been formally charged, what is he doing sitting in jail awaiting trial?
If you have evidence (or as Pipsters like to say, proof) that he did not launder money and that the evidence was planted, surely you should be there defending him?
As a paralegal, I am surprised that you do not recognise the sort of evidence that is probably being presented. Are you suggesting that bank records have been forged? Fraudulent conversion, which is, as I am sure you are aware, the basis for these charges of money laundering, is hard to defend in the light of the bank records which are undoubtedly the substance of the evidence.

Originally Posted by GeoSphere

Alien adduction, Alien autopsy, Bigfoot video, Loch Ness Monster, Virgin Mary grilled cheese sandwich and The 2 percent daily compounding interest program.

You forgot Nesara!

Thank you for your input as a 1st time poster and you have apparently NOT interact nor follow the lengthy exchanges most "once upon a time Pipsters" had been trying to wise up and/or unwise the other that I am afraid, was beyond your knowledge however, your response was rather timely and it made me ponder, when you respond to this latest feedback, you did it as a result of the mass mail we sent out some 12 over hours ago and if that was indeed the case, you are registered under another pseudonym for a username!!

Even if that was rather insignificant here, you nonetheless started with a defence for a paralegal, that is amazing....and esp. when you were full of confidence in your statements that are rather eerie for a complete stranger to this Forum...or should we believe that to be the case?

Never mind, its rather irrelevant as far as your defence on the case and situation we are trying to follow with some sense and degree in objectivity however overwhelmed the details and facts have since been compiled in the Marsdens (dis)favour.

However, for those that may have felt this sudden intrusion and strongly opinionated post by you, you supposedly being a complete alien & stranger to this thread covering the Marsdens custody & trial, your strong and unshakable views from your experience is not a question on how we should be dealing with. More a case, and that is where we continue to focus on, are the present day “real-time events” that resulted from the actions of the Marsdens towards the majority of the participating “lenders loaning their money” to a snapped up visionary concept made and customized with an intention…we will soon and inevitably, find out the true events leading to the downfall or closure of the PI Inc enterprise some seriously still believe will arise again in a not too distant future…shall we be blessed for giving that hope a cold shoulder? That remains to be felt after it finally reached a concluding end of the trial.

“I do believe that any evidence that may appear to be against Brian was planted there and is inadmissable in any English or American court of law.”

“I will state for the record of this forum that Brian is an honorable man and did not launder money at all. Any evidence that has been supposedly used was planted and cannot be used against him.” – unquote.

Most do too when brought before any other civilised court that is handling a similar case like this but most will also fall short in following your assertion and assumption (your opinion to be precise) when you trailed off in your belief that the case was a planted one and he was framed as a result.

Btw, even if theBat$ was to stray off in providing extra description on the events surrounding the trial and the appearance of the defendants to your utmost disinterests, I should say here, it is NOT for YOU to pass on those demands and as such, make irrelevant recommendations of your desires….not esp. when YOU are not in the least a supporter of the initiative and fact-finding task as oppose to the RC members being current donors for this cause.

Please refrain the inclination to air with a tone of a strong desire stemming from your 1st time participation here among members as to how he should register his observations…. We, the Admins have taken that liberty with instructions for him to abide and we are fully satisfied of his reporting thus far. You are most welcome to follow and observe and if you wish to stay away from supporting with any funding that was to determine the factual events to suit both sides of the controversy, then I am right to suggest, you keep your opinions and reservations wholly to yourself as you had been since PI Inc came to a standing halt and legally disrupted from further exploit on the innocent investors by the Malaysian Authorities.

Regarding your statement for this Forum to be for the records, you need to be informed about several and esp. one member we are all very familiar and known as Chin Lee, has done more than state or vow on BM’s position and yours, being no surprise either at this revealing point in time, to make any heads or eyebrow raise to the skies with awe….yes, that’s a fact but again, your insistence and sounding very adamant by your own belief that the evidence was planted and he was NOT a launderer….heyyy, YOU stated that, we for most, for our part have to accept and still await that to be a fact as proven by the part of the Authorities…so please, be a brave spokesman and address that concern and defy the allegation with the Authorities making the case…NOT at us…it holds little significance I’m afraid.

In conclusion, anyone would expect you to make the first and early noble step, as a close supporter of facts and legal rights in justice for the innocent, to have first made a formal or if not, a symbolical visit to his cell rather than appear on the forum , out of the blue and trying to convince the membership here about your stance, opinions and recommendations and feeding further about your expected meeting with Bryan … does it matter when or where that will take place? I think it is again very insignificant to know of your frontier at this stage with your opinionated plans ….we are simply focussing on the factual events as we have initiated to serve all who are seriously affected by this detention & trial which you are also welcome to be part of and more so and why not but only after you prove your sincerity to the cause of finding the facts for the truth… before that, please sit back and observe with some respectable silence for those actively involved in funding and having the right to suggestions and recommendations, thank you.

YB.

Originally Posted by bellventures

In reply to all of the above;

First let me say that I am an Paralegal in the US and noticed that BM will have to first be formally charged with the crime he allegedly committed. I do not believe that has happened as yet. If he is not formally charged then he will be free to go very soon. I do not believe that there is proper evidence against Brian or his wife. I do believe that any evidence that may appear to be against Brian was planted there and is inadmissable in any English or American court of law. Now Bat when you go to the court please
observe and notice the actual events. I am not interested in how Brian looks or his wife. They are in a jail how are they supposed to look like. I am only interested in the actual facts of the records of the court itself. You may not be able to obtain a copy of the records as normally in a criminal case
the records are not available to the public.
After this is over, the records will be available to the public.

I will state for the record of this forum that Brian is an honorable man and did not launder money at all. Any evidence that has been supposedly used was planted and cannot be used against him.

Yes, he has a very good lawyer representing him. And lastly I expect to see
Brian very soon.

Please do not reply with emotion as it only wastes your time and energy.

bellventures

Just a few observations...
1) Owen Pratt and others believe Pips was a scam. They may be right or they may be wrong - at this point it is purely a matter of opinion. Personally, I think that BM was a poor manager who was in over his head and (even if he didn't know it) fighting vested interests far more powerful than any ordinary person can fight.
2) I was told a few weeks before Pips closed down that BM had paid for a highly experienced consultant to fly out from London to report on the situation with Pips. This consultant spent several days going through Pips records and examining their business plan and made a number of recommendations which BM chose to reject. Interestingly, the consultant made no mention of finding anything fraudulent. This information came from a personal friend of the consultant.
3) I was advised by a professional banker immediately after the Hawaii conference that the problems which BM was reporting with HSBC and other banks were likely due to action by US government authorities who had 'blacklisted' Pips and were threatening banks with withdrawal of US banking privilidges if they provided banking services to Pips.
Item (3) is becoming more and more believable in the light of the trumped up charges being laid against eGold. US authorities do not like any organisation which offers better deals than are being marketed by licensed securities traders in the US and will not hesitate to use their considerable legal and international muscle to close them down. Whether they are legitimate or fraudulent is immaterial. If they threaten US regulated business, they must go! It is also interesting to note that the Malaysian government were solidly behind Pips at the time of the Langkawi convention. What changed? Did the US govenment twist their arm? Your guess is as good as mine but, one thing is certain, if the US government had Pips in their sights then BM never stood a prayer. Being based in Malaysia would provide absolutely no protection if the US authorities decided to call in favors from foreign governments or banking institutions. Whether he was, honest, a scam artist or just plain incompetent is irrelevant. The same applied to GINS and now to eGold. If you think for one minute that the US government is in any way bothered about hundreds of thousands of people (many of the their own citizens) losing their money, think again. They would simply shrug their shoulders, deny any complicity and say "not our problem".

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

I suggest you catch up on the case details first, as there are over a hundred charges of money laundering involved to date, and with the latest bail reduction hearing denied, I don't think we will see Bryan or Sharon free in a very long time. Since you don't believe proper evidence was gathered over the past two years, even if half the charges were dropped, they would still be locked for up to 5 years on each charge, so I would suspect the evidence is overwhelming given Bryan did not even keep and books to back up his illegal transfer of money to private accounts with no records, other than the banks, so I don't think any of us will be seeing Bryan and Sharon in other than prison garb for years.

Good luck and health to all, Mike

I concur.

Originally Posted by dancesport

Just a few observations...
1) Owen Pratt and others believe Pips was a scam. They may be right or they may be wrong - at this point it is purely a matter of opinion. Personally, I think that BM was a poor manager who was in over his head and (even if he didn't know it) fighting vested interests far more powerful than any ordinary person can fight.
2) I was told a few weeks before Pips closed down that BM had paid for a highly experienced consultant to fly out from London to report on the situation with Pips. This consultant spent several days going through Pips records and examining their business plan and made a number of recommendations which BM chose to reject. Interestingly, the consultant made no mention of finding anything fraudulent. This information came from a personal friend of the consultant.
3) I was advised by a professional banker immediately after the Hawaii conference that the problems which BM was reporting with HSBC and other banks were likely due to action by US government authorities who had 'blacklisted' Pips and were threatening banks with withdrawal of US banking privilidges if they provided banking services to Pips.
Item (3) is becoming more and more believable in the light of the trumped up charges being laid against eGold. US authorities do not like any organisation which offers better deals than are being marketed by licensed securities traders in the US and will not hesitate to use their considerable legal and international muscle to close them down. Whether they are legitimate or fraudulent is immaterial. If they threaten US regulated business, they must go! It is also interesting to note that the Malaysian government were solidly behind Pips at the time of the Langkawi convention. What changed? Did the US govenment twist their arm? Your guess is as good as mine but, one thing is certain, if the US government had Pips in their sights then BM never stood a prayer. Being based in Malaysia would provide absolutely no protection if the US authorities decided to call in favors from foreign governments or banking institutions. Whether he was, honest, a scam artist or just plain incompetent is irrelevant. The same applied to GINS and now to eGold. If you think for one minute that the US government is in any way bothered about hundreds of thousands of people (many of the their own citizens) losing their money, think again. They would simply shrug their shoulders, deny any complicity and say "not our problem".

Good post.