Thread: Pips-(BM)-Trial Starts 13th of september.

Monica - if you read the Malaysian newspapers which are available on line, you can find all this information.

Originally Posted by readytogo

Owen,

How do you have access as to what Bryan said to Judge Akhtar Tahir???? "I have lost everything. There is nothing to say at this stage."

And how do you even know what the judge's name is??????

Were you there?????
Is this public information?..... and if it is, please, let all of us laypeople know how to get it.
Thanks in advance for your response.

Monica

Monica.... .... where were you all these while? Btw.....R U actually "readytogo"? Now, where would that be and where do you intend to end up?

I'd suggest if you were all that supportive & diligent...the best place is book a ticket to KL and see what hell can be like to be charged, whether BM is innocent or not, I'm more than sure...you will ONLY...., like the most actually are... bent on wanting to know just where the remaining $$$s are and how can you lay claim to it....


All those cheering... pffff, I doubt most would truly have the nerve nor sincereity with loyalty to actually spend another dime to step in and defend them at the courts... but then... you may know just WHO are referrred to.... several handful prominent nicks in both past RC members and valid nicks but in hiding, now and still are at other forums....

We all got a banting from them... now, we don't see any need to reciprocate...for they are going through self mutilation with their own homebred conscience... so help them be...!


YB. - cheers to the RC CARE Group...

Originally Posted by readytogo

Owen,

How do you have access as to what Bryan said to Judge Akhtar Tahir???? "I have lost everything. There is nothing to say at this stage."

And how do you even know what the judge's name is??????

Were you there?????

Is this public information?..... and if it is, please, let all of us laypeople know how to get it.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Monica

Monical,
Check out the thread below.
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...aundering.html
Post #1

V/R,
Chris

I find it disturbing, in view of Monica's questions (no offence intended, Monica), that so many do not take the trouble to do the slightest research into a subject that must concern them deeply. My own research comprised of nothing that could not have been done by any Pipster (perhaps excluding my trip to Malaysia) and from which they must surely have drawn the same conclusions that I came to. Blind acceptance of assurances (and they were nothing more) from the Marsdens does not constitute "due diligence." I viewed the video of a meeting in Australia where extravagant claims were made as to the security of investment in Pips. Not one member of the audience asked for any documentary proof of the statistics quoted ($700M in assets, $100M indemnity insurance, approved in all state in the US etc.) and the one member of the audience who replied in the affirmative when Marsden asked "Does anyone here think Pips is a Ponzi?" was answered with "Thank you for being honest," and then totally ignored!

Hi all
Several times people have spoken about the money laundering charges, and wondering why as it was our money presumably from legitimate sources (I can only speak for myself on this bit) can BM be charged with money laundering. My interpretation of newspaper articles online for what its worth (I'm not a lawyer, so possibly not much) is that the laundering was money moving from PIPS to BM's other company, which would mean that it was something that PIPs was up to that is being deemed illegal, and either its easier to prove the laundering, or it carries heavier penalties, especially in todays climate of the war on terror, and money laundering to fund terror etc, I am NOT saying BM has anything to do with terrorism, just its a convenient hook to use for the prosecutor.
It is likely to be months if not years before this finally gets to actual trial and a verdict is delivered, only then would the authroities even start looking at returning funds if the owners can still be found, if I remember correctly PIPs was registered in Panama so the malaysian authorities probably cannot even see what is there, so don't hold your breath waiting for any money back, you might go a very funny shade of blue waiting.
Regards
Colin

Originally Posted by Owen Platt

I find it disturbing, in view of Monica's questions (no offence intended, Monica), that so many do not take the trouble to do the slightest research into a subject that must concern them deeply. My own research comprised of nothing that could not have been done by any Pipster (perhaps excluding my trip to Malaysia) and from which they must surely have drawn the same conclusions that I came to. Blind acceptance of assurances (and they were nothing more) from the Marsdens does not constitute "due diligence." I viewed the video of a meeting in Australia where extravagant claims were made as to the security of investment in Pips. Not one member of the audience asked for any documentary proof of the statistics quoted ($700M in assets, $100M indemnity insurance, approved in all state in the US etc.) and the one member of the audience who replied in the affirmative when Marsden asked "Does anyone here think Pips is a Ponzi?" was answered with "Thank you for being honest," and then totally ignored!

Owen, did you ever join one of several meetings held by Bryan in Europe in the summer/autumn of 2004?...or did you ever meet with any PIPS management in person?

Just curious!

PIPS failed on all my investment criterias when I did my DD!...NONE WHATSOEVER passed!

By the way, looking for evidence from the nice old days!...here is one of them from Bryan:


What's New?

Latest news on PIPS..

THE LIGHT IS SHINING THROUGH
07-JUL-05
Hi Everyone,

There has been a lot going on over the past 10 days or so.

1. For those that have tried the credit card payment system you will have noticed there is a new processor in place. This has been done to improve the efficiency in processing, reductions in the number of failed attempts and is available to members in all countries.

2. On withdrawals, we are almost there in resolving the issues that have been plaguing us for months and members will see a marked improvement in the completion of withdrawals very soon.

3. The bank in Cambodia is still progressing very well, submissions have been made and feedback from our people there is that all has been received very positively. The process of obtaining a licence is a long and arduous one, but we are getting there.

4. On the legal front, although we do not accept that the 5ytp program contravenes any regulation in any jurisdiction. On futher legal advice from our lawyers, we feel that it is prudent for us to suspend the program for moment. This will enable us to address the issues being raised by certain jurisdictions over the program. All funds paid into the program to-date will be put back into members Picpay accounts. Once we have satisfied the relevant authorities on the legitimacy and legal issues we will look at the possibilities of re-instigating the program.

I know this has been a very hard and frustrating time for everyone and none moreso than ourselves, we have been working extremely hard on what may to some, appear to be insurmountable issues. We are getting there, albeit slowly and everyone, members and the companies will survive to go forward together for many years to come.

I want to personally thank all members for their patience and belief in what we are doing, faith, integrity and hard work will always prevail. Please stick with it a little while longer, the light at the end of the tunnel is growing into a bright beacon.



Bryan

Originally Posted by Owen Platt

I find it disturbing, in view of Monica's questions (no offence intended, Monica), that so many do not take the trouble to do the slightest research into a subject that must concern them deeply. My own research comprised of nothing that could not have been done by any Pipster (perhaps excluding my trip to Malaysia) and from which they must surely have drawn the same conclusions that I came to. Blind acceptance of assurances (and they were nothing more) from the Marsdens does not constitute "due diligence." I viewed the video of a meeting in Australia where extravagant claims were made as to the security of investment in Pips. Not one member of the audience asked for any documentary proof of the statistics quoted ($700M in assets, $100M indemnity insurance, approved in all state in the US etc.) and the one member of the audience who replied in the affirmative when Marsden asked "Does anyone here think Pips is a Ponzi?" was answered with "Thank you for being honest," and then totally ignored!

I agree with your sentiments. This board is rife with those who go to the last page of a thread, ignore the previous comments and/or context, and proceed to ask the same question answered over and over again within the thread. And, again, on someone demanding something a little more akin to "proof" or substantial dialogue towards anything to do with proof: For so very long, the religiously oriented zealots of Bryan-cult, if you will, would neither hear nor let anything contrary to their "beliefs" be offered; but, rather, would come to the Pips forum or, later, this one--as in 2005 time frame--(or to the other significant two) and personally attack anyone who would dare question anything that would threaten their fragile little world of cognitions. And, with moderators such as everwiser that used to be on this forum, that kind of activity flourished on this forum with little abeyance until just very, very recently. Sanity has been reluctantly springing forth on this forum of late and it is freshing to say the least. In my past communications over phone or via email with Bryan, I early got into it with him over establishing proof of his claims for three concerns of mine: assets, insurance and using his Picpay development of ecurrency instead of the more established and reliable e-bullion. And, on one occasion in particular he gave me almost the same identical line that he gave Marek, i.e, he didn't have to put up with this "shit." I gave him my coherent reply in kind that he was full of shizznit and never bothered with even trying to communicate anything with him after that. I concluded he was a paranoid-delusional personality type that, as is usual, always tries to gather about him or her--but almost always a him--co-dependent types that will swallow whatever is dished out to them. The rest of the story is still being written; and this comment, like any other, is neither here nor there, as it were.

Regards,

thelema

Originally Posted by tonyd56

I think he's talking about that smug lookin ***** on the previous page. Ambulance chaser is right, or maybe a vulture. Here to pick the carcasses of the Marsdens and everyone who believed the dream.

Don't you just love supercilious gloating ******** like that.

NOT!

I sure do.

We will hear something today, right?

I have yet to ever post to any forum with regards to PIPS. Probably like many, I sit back and watch the mud slinging that is prevalent on so many forums, with the possible hope of finding just one entry with some valid information.

Bottom line, I too did invest many Ks in PIPS late 2004 and never took a dime back out, and did so at the recommendation of a trusted friend. But like most investments, it was losable funds because like all things that look too good to be true, this one seems to have ended up the same way.

Today I see the beginning of, what hopefully will be, some truth being brought forward. Myself, I do believe that there was certainly some misconduct on BM's part, how much is yet to be determined. But knowing what I know of jurisdiction law where he is, ML can be construed as many things and moving other peoples funds that were sent to PIPs for investment in PIPs without the investors written approvalto use it elsewhere, is ML in that jurisdiction.

So if this did happen, which I find it hard not to believe it did not happen, he will not eventually have a leg to stand on. I know this because of several conversations I have had with his close advisors when PIPs started coming apart at the seams. I wish BM would of listened to them, because I know for a fact, that none of this would exist today as he, BM, was given a banking and investment solution for all PIPsters, but he refused because he would not be able to fully control the accounts anymore,

As far as funds being returned, I have yet to determine what the outcome will be as there is not much case law on record that the courts can refer to, to make any definitive order. This I will eventually find out and report when available as I am constantly traveling into that area of the world.

In this world forgiveness is a must but in the same breath, justice must be served. You cannot hate the man, for he is created in our Father's image, but you can certainly hate his sins.

As many have stated, now is the time to be patient as no matter what each of our opinions are, they are just that because we all do not yet know the whole story or certainly know what is truly in BM/s mind. Until the time that is afforded to us all that expresses the real truth, all of us need to do as Marek does, report what we find no matter what it looks like to us.

Final word, there is no such thing as coincidence, everything happens in our lives for a reason, sometimes it is a blessing but in most cases, because of our sinful nature, it is an attention getter that deep down we all have an inclining as to what we should or should not be doing because of the incident.

I would suspect and hope that all are adults here and all have the ability to take the responsibility and any consequence for any action any of us decide to involve ourselves with.

So that being said, as my grandfather always said, "you can never get the water or fish back that has already passed under the bridge, so why dwell on it, boy just learn from it because there is no such thing as failure, you have just found one more way not to do something, learn from it and move on up stream to the fresher water, your bound to come across a bigger fish". He sometimes rambled, God bless his sole, but he did have some interesting expressions.

Sincerely and my best to all of you!