Thread: Iraq/Dinar News. 09/05 to 01/14/07

To OneOar:

Are you in Oklahoma? I'm in Edmond.

Resistance to Deadlines for Iraq Is Weakening



By Julian E. Barnes and Doyle McManus, Los Angeles Times

More US officers doubt insurgents would gain, and believe that Baghdad must be pushed.
Washington - Growing numbers of American military officers have begun to privately question a key tenet of U.S. strategy in Iraq - that setting a hard deadline for troop reductions would strengthen the insurgency and undermine efforts to create a stable state.

The Iraqi government's refusal to take certain measures to reduce sectarian tensions between Sunni Arabs and the nation's Shiite Muslim majority has led these officers to conclude that Iraqis will not make difficult decisions unless they are pushed. Therefore, they say, the advantages of deadlines may outweigh the drawbacks.

"Deadlines could help ensure that the Iraqi leaders recognize the imperative of coming to grips with the tough decisions they've got to make for there to be progress in the political arena," said a senior Army officer who has served in Iraq. He asked that his name not be used because he did not want to publicly disagree with the stated policy of the president.

Former Pentagon official Kurt Campbell said more officers are calling for deadlines after concluding that the indefinite presence of U.S. forces enables the Shiite-run Iraqi government to avoid making compromises.

"There is a new belief that the biggest problem that we face is that our forces are the sand in the gears creating problems," said Campbell, coauthor of a book on national security policy. "We are making things worse by giving the Iraqis a false sense of security at the governing level."

For months, the Bush administration has been politely prodding the Iraqis on political and security reforms including the sharing of oil revenue, a crackdown on Shiite militias and constitutional changes. The discussions so far have yielded little, prompting experts to question whether the Iraqi government will ever compromise if there is no penalty for failing to make hard choices.

Over the last week, Bush administration officials have spoken about possible timetables for progress in Iraq, but softened their suggestions after talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki.

Although top administration officials are still steering clear of discussing the timing of American troop withdrawals, the officers' comments come alongside public statements by prominent Republicans who have begun talking about the need to establish a date that the U.S. will begin to draw down, whether or not the Iraqi government takes steps toward political compromise.

President Bush and other administration opponents of hard deadlines have argued that telegraphing troop departures would help the insurgents.

Once the U.S. sets a withdrawal date, the Sunni-led guerrillas know how long they must hang on before American troops are gone, the administration has argued.

Opponents of timetables also fear that small drawdowns will unleash public demand for more dramatic withdrawals, allowing violence fomented by Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to erode whatever political advances have been made.

Military officials generally have agreed with the civilian leadership that a deadline would strengthen insurgent and militia groups. But the failure of the Iraqi government to move forward on key political and security measures has left senior military leaders frustrated.

Although U.S. military leaders remain wary of the consequences of imposing deadlines, increasingly officers say they are starting to look more attractive. The shift in opinion is a sign that gridlock in the Iraqi government is seen as a greater threat to achieving stability in Iraq than the insurgency itself.

John Batiste, a retired major general who commanded a division in Iraq and has been critical of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, said that setting a date for a drawdown of combat brigades must be considered. Before the deadline, Batiste said, the U.S. also needs to step up its effort to advise and train the Iraqi military and police.

"Holding the Iraqi government accountable is important, and that has everything to do with setting expectations and timelines," Batiste said. "It also has everything to do with doing all we can to ensure they are capable completing the task they are trying to do."

Some officers who have served in Iraq believe that much of the Iraqi government is not functioning effectively. Finding ways to force the sectarian factions to put aside their differences and focus on improving security and basic services must be the top priority in Iraq, these officers say. Without government reform, the Iraqi security forces are unlikely to ever be strong enough to take on the insurgency or the sectarian militias.

"It's basic counterinsurgency," said a military officer who has served in Baghdad and did not want to publicly disagree with the president's stated policy. "You have to have a trusted, capable government."

Some in the military argue that publicizing a timetable for reducing forces is far less damaging to a counterinsurgency campaign than the administration has suggested.

Many officers, particularly those who adhere to the military philosophy of former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell, a retired Army general who served as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, believe that deadlines are necessary to avoid getting mired in an endless war fueled by enmity between Iraq's long-subjugated Shiite population and the Sunni Arabs who ran the government under Saddam Hussein.

"The Powell Doctrine is all about overwhelming numbers of troops with specific missions, with specified end-states, for specified durations with - go figure - an exit strategy," said the officer who has served in Baghdad. "To not mention this stuff is actually counter to the contemporary military mind-set."

Although Democrats like Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the ranking minority member of the Armed Services Committee, have long argued that a deadline is the best way to move development of the Iraqi security force forward, opponents of the administration are no longer the only ones making the argument.

A number of Republicans now have either explicitly endorsed timelines for troop drawdowns or voiced support for considering a strategy shift.

Among them are Rep. Christopher Shays of Connecticut, Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Richard L. Armitage, Powell's former top deputy at the State Department.

Sen. John W. Warner, the Republican chair of the Armed Services Committee, has called for a new approach if the security situation does not improve.

"The key to this thing is impressing upon that government that they've got to come to grips with what is causing this increase in violence and killing both Iraqis and our own armed forces," Warner said this month on Fox News.

Without a deadline, Maliki will not tackle the difficult problem of bridging Sunni and Shiite political disagreements, said Michael Rubin, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former Coalition Provisional Authority official.

"Maliki will not hit the benchmarks, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give them," said Rubin, who does not favor troop withdrawals as a penalty. "Iraqis approach deadlines by doing nothing until two days before, and then locking themselves in smoke-filled rooms and only then do they ... try to hash out a solution."

Officially, administration officials remain opposed to discussing deadlines.

Nevertheless, with the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad drafting a series of benchmarks for the Maliki government, there were signs last week that the administration had eased its opposition to timetables and might take a tougher stance with the Iraqi government.

Former Pentagon official Campbell said that military officers would not be discussing their change of heart over timetables if administration officials had not signaled a new willingness to shift positions.

"Even though there are deep reservoirs of unhappiness in the military about certain aspects of administration policy, active-duty guys are very reluctant to publicly disagree with the leadership," he said.

"But the signals are clear from the administration that it is acceptable to talk about timetables. They are taking their cues from their civilian *******."

Back Story

The debate over timetables, timelines and deadlines as terms in U.S. policy on Iraq heated up a week ago, when U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad outlined a series of political milestones he said the Iraqi government had agreed to.

Khalilzad said Iraqi and U.S. officials had agreed to a timeline covering the sharing of oil revenue, establishment of a reconciliation program, and a plan to confront the sectarian militias.

The following day Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki seemed to reject Khalilzad's benchmarks, saying "we do not believe in a timetable."

The White House insisted that Maliki had been misunderstood. But in a meeting with Khalilzad on Friday, Maliki asserted his independence and called the U.S. tone patronizing.

However, in a joint statement released after the meeting, Maliki and Khalilzad agreed to a timeline for various political reforms and reasserted the U.S. commitment to helping Iraq.

On Saturday, President Bush and Maliki held a 50-minute air-clearing session in a videoconference between Washington and Baghdad.

OneOar:

I know of two other people here in Edmond, that have Dinars. I know there must be more but I don't know how many. I bought some dinar at Chase at the Branch at Broadway and 15th St. here in Edmond. Very easy to do. The head cashier told be the branch downtown, (where their name is on the building) that that branch is the smallest of all the braches in the metro area. Better to stay with a branch in one of the outlying areas, there is no advantage to going downtown for any exchange

Originally Posted by Socata 850

To OneOar:

Are you in Oklahoma? I'm in Edmond.

I do not want to be rude in any way, so please don't take this to be as such... However, can we all please take questions like these to PM (or at least to another thread)? Neno's job of maintaining the thread is hard enough, with all the news-related comments, that we don't need to add to his job unnecessarily.

Again, I am not trying to be rude here, just trying to assist (in whatever little manner I can) in making Neno's job as easy as possible.

If this post warrants a response, please PM me. Thanks...

WebGuy 75903

No worries Mate!!

Originally Posted by dinartank

You make a very valid point and nobody has yet to comment.....The FIL being enacted very soon right??? can they do this with their currency not being RV. I mean sure they can but they would be stupid and that would basicly mean they are gonna give their country away for pennies. AM i correct or overlooking something here?? Susie or addster what are your thoughts or anybodys? I remember susie posting that if they enact the FIL without RVing she would be on the first plane to kurdistan to dump a bunch of money into as many thigs as she can. Anyone remember that?

I am sure the RV will happen but not so much for losing control of their country. Because the cost of a buisness or land or whatever still costs the same amount of US dollars regardless of the exchange rate of the Dinar. But if they want to see a much faster and stronger economic turn around with the passing and enactment of the FIL and HCL, then the Dinar must be a lot stronger than it is currently. With that said the FIL does have wording to protect Iraq from being over run by foreign investors with lots of monies! So it comes down to a (hopefully) well thought out and methodical approach by the govenor of the CBI as to how and when to raise the value of the Dinar. I just hope its soon!

Originally Posted by Adster

Wankers, just get on and work things out you tosspots.

Wikipedia:
The term tosspot, has come to be a synonym for 'tosser', someone who 'tosses' or masturbates.
The english are so colorful.

Originally Posted by explorerhot

Wikipedia:
The term tosspot, has come to be a synonym for 'tosser', someone who 'tosses' or masturbates.
The english are so colorful.

Funny, i saw it as the place for the tossed stuff....a pot to put it in? Ewwwww.....
Sorry had to go there..... << on Me!

Originally Posted by CLM

I am sure the RV will happen but not so much for losing control of their country. Because the cost of a buisness or land or whatever still costs the same amount of US dollars regardless of the exchange rate of the Dinar. But if they want to see a much faster and stronger economic turn around with the passing and enactment of the FIL and HCL, then the Dinar must be a lot stronger than it is currently. With that said the FIL does have wording to protect Iraq from being over run by foreign investors with lots of monies! So it comes down to a (hopefully) well thought out and methodical approach by the govenor of the CBI as to how and when to raise the value of the Dinar. I just hope its soon!

CLM,
Hopefully we will hear full details of FIL and HCL. That combined with lower denomination bills and we are golden.
LIT

interesting indeed ----a special plase to put it into. LOL