Thread: What Do You Really Feel About Pips

#34 Today, 04:19 AM
whatever
Member Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by denim
The idea of PIPS is pure genius. And if nothing else were to happen from now on, it has generated in the main THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY of people, with their own ideas, goals, joys, sorrows, and a platform to share, and that is value for money.

As to the genius, the idea of 2% for 180 days and then it ending is the very best part. And the biggest strain for the organisation is the first few years, WHICH WE ARE IN. After a few years when there are probably more expired units than those NOT expired, (after all dead units IS NOT dead money - its still working for PIPS) this makes a solid base for the company, All those units still live for the company, but dead to our ROL - that is the genius. Unfortunately there are those who do not want this to happen and have preyed on the vulnerability of the first few years where the concept is the toughest to actually make work. It is they who are making it tough, which brings the scum to the surface shouting "I want my money, I invested good money and Bryan made a promise, if I don't get whats due to me now, I'll teach you a lesson and bring you down - and call you names etc etc." If only those people would look at themselves in a mirror, and look at what they have done to bring PIPS down, and sow bad seed, and dash the hopes of the people who look at PIPS as a means of "making a change." It would be better for them if a millstone were hanged around their neck and drowned in the depths of the sea.

The PIPS concept is fantastic and Bryan has the guts to make it happen.
The community that has been generated from PIPS in the main is a wonderful community, and that is value for money alone.

Lets try and make this ROL CLUB community a positive club, and a club such as this is one that has a goal. This clubs goal as I see it is one of unity for members to communicate together and bring about the return of PIPS and to stand behind Bryan. That is what I see this club as being. However there are those here who while being a member of the club do not seek or stand behind Bryan, but curse and moan. If this is you, then that is not the spirit of being a club member. There are other clubs for people like you, like talk gold (thats the club where scum attracts scum).

Lets stand up for Bryan and the true PIPS spirit, and lets MAKE IT HAPPEN - all of us.
P I P S


denim,

I find your post rather scary, for alot of reasons that will probably get me banned. Yes, Pips HAS THE POTENTIAL to be a good idea, the CONCEPT is fantastic, (look up concept) and has the POTENTIAL to DO SOME GOOD if it really worked for people. Apparently it did for a short time. Not for me and my family, or many other families apparently. Is this a moan? Maybe. You will hear alot more moaning in days to come, I guarantee it. It is an INSULT to listen to the self righteous "winners" of Pips who have made money when many of us have waited a year for nothing, having invested alot of money. I would personally love to stand behind Bryan, as you say. He has not as of yet given me a reason to, and I speak for many when I say this. Am I SCUM, as you say? Have I "sown a bad seed" or "dashed others hopes"??? Now a millstone should be torqued on my neck?? have I or those like me dashed anybody's hopes? This is the kind of sick misinterpretive Bible thumping that gives Christians a BAD name, and sir, I am a Christian. A sinner for sure, but a Christian nonetheless. Up to now, I have tried to be positive, understanding, and good humored about all the mishaps of Pips. Sorry, your post made me draw the line in the sand. I think your Bible references made me more upset than anything, really, what right do you have to say these things? We and Bryan are merely Human beings afterall, and Bryan is not the Lord. GACK, as Charlie Brown used to say.

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Whatever!....I like your response, correct and true!

denim!...
value for money to an investor is "ROL paid to the bank account" defined as "an agreed %-interest delivered at a promised date",....nothing more nothing less!
PIPS was originally an investment vehicle and a "financial program" that failed!...I did not consider PIPS as a company that build assets and earned profits as any other brick- and mortar company. Normally those companies takes years (3-10 years) to earn enough profit to pay their investors back (dividends). PIPS was supposed to pay their members or investors from day ONE based on their invested capital, ....like any financial investment program.

Your statement: "As to the genius, the idea of 2% for 180 days and then it ending is the very best part". ....sorry denim, the genius part of PIPS is the fact that "IF" PIPS would have been paying ROL for years, not only for less than a year, I would have agreed with you!

As to your last statement "scum attracts scum",....I understand that you are a serious and honest person! ... not only capable of judging others but .....
However, my experience with PIPS and the failure of PIPS is not based on the fact that many honest members, including many members here on this forum (defined by you as "scums") did not destroy PIPS.
PIPS FAILED due to an extremely fragile business model that could not sustain several threats (including fundamental market forces) that the management did not foresee!...unfortunately for those that lost their money!
The result as far as I can judge, ....far too many members lost their money, money that they could not afford to lose!

Looking back, one of my comments to Bryan would be:....even though he pointed out the risk of losing the money,....but at the same token he also said that only a world financial melt down could bring PIPS down....that to me was a very strong and bold statement!

hine

I think admin should start a 'Trash pips here' thread, and a 'Praise pips here' thread.
that way, naysayers don't have to observe the cheering.

and those of us who cheer, don't have to listen to all of the naysaying.

the cheerers can be encouraging and hopeful.

and the naysayers can whip themselves into a (depressed) frenzy.... come to think about it... it would maybe be like a mini TG!

seems like a simple solution.... sounds like fun to me!
(no cheating tho, stay where you belong)

Watch your thoughts, they become your words
Watch your words, they become your actions
Watch your actions, they become your habits
Watch your habits, they become your character
Watch your character, it becomes your destiny

Originally Posted by manic1

Why do we have to bring God and the Bible into our discussions?

I have belief in both, however this is a secular business like all others.

My faith commands me to have God in everything I do - at the centre of ALL my activities. I don't have a problem with that nor can I apologise even though I know I fall a long way short of the command. As such, I cannot (will not) segregate or put God in the cupboard for some activities and take him out for others. If its not good enough for God, it's not good enough for me. If some people have a problem with that, I care not.

Be blest.

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Thanks first to Second Mouse, who understood my post, I NOMINATE HER FOR CHIEF CHEERLEADER

Thanks to bultn, I stand corrected.

Not sure that I understand from whatever and hine that what I said was "scary" (Actually I don't understand) But always willing to learn. My original post was intended to be positive and encouraging because there are too many naysayers.

Not sure that I understand that so many are considering PIPS a failure. PIPS has not collapsed. It's had it's assets frozen. There's not allot you can do when your assets are frozen (even if you are a brass monkey). Bryan hasn't flown, he is still around, and he is talking. He also says PIPS will be back in a different format. So I would hazard a guess that he is pretty well keyed up on what will happen next.

Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go
Oh yes I nearly forgot God bless Bryan God bless PIPS God bless everyone and God bless me

Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go Go PIPS Go
Oh yes I nearly forgot God bless Bryan God bless PIPS God bless everyone and God bless me[/QUOTE]

My "trivek" says 2700 units today and until I hear differant from Bryan yahoo pips

Second Mouse, you are very special lady and I admire your wisdom.

We have too many loose cannons in this Forum so it would be nice to sort it out.

Was thinking the same thing, mouse... I have some things in my life that I'm not too happy about, but I prefer to focus on HOPE and the fact that I do have it... And I do agree with what you say about genious, denim... That is what I meant about when I said I thought Pips was brilliant. I do appreciate all the intelligent posts here. That inspires me~**

hine,

You say it failed. How can you use such finality in talking about pips?

Or do you rather mean that it seems like a failure to you at the moment? That leaves the possibility of success in the future.

What if PIPS comes back and it turns out it works? Has it then still failed?
Or does it then change magically to having been a success with some obstacles on the way?

Or would you then say that it has failed but it is a success?

If your child was ill and kept in isolation and you would not know if you would ever see your child again, would you say that your child was dead?

I've been a Pips member since August 2004, i joined pips to make money for myself, to me pips is only an investment like buying stock in IBM. Didnt the first page of the Pips website mention achieving financial independence. Like many people i have mutiple withdraws pending but nothing received. With that in mind as far as im concerned pips has been a total failure. I didnt invest in pips so Bryan can use my money as part of a learning experience. If pips comes back thats great on the other hand i feel that it should'nt be allowed to restart until
all pending withdrawals are honored.

Originally Posted by camaro

I have invested a significant sum of money into PIPS based on feedback from a local friend who could show me PIPS was a great organization and that it was paying members what was owed them in their accounts.

I have been a member for close to a year.

I have tried to do a merchant withdraws but they were canceled.

There is no active web site with no formal notification, no letter, no email etc. Please don't tell me the servers were gone. I would hope someone had a back-up database. And I'm sure the investigating party wouldn't object to a letter being sent explaining there was a investigation taking place.

PicPay is not active

We have no notification that our Funds our secure or that the funds in the 2% program are still earning money

We have received updates from Bryan but this is explaining a new Lotto system and not explaining the new withdraw system for when PIPS is re-activiated.

The only thing I have received from PIPS was a Bible DVD which I donated to my church. This is the most expensive DVD ever !!

I hope PIPS recovers but since there have been no withdraws for 2005 it doesn't look good.

This is ALL TRUE,
the least thing Brian can do, is put a message on the Web sites telling us what is going on, he can use differant servers Temperarily till he gets his servers back, this is the least he could do to inform everyone what's going on

this should've been done months ago when the investigation began

Those that talk about PIPS failing because of not paying members. Have any of you done your DD to see when and where the problems started. Payments were going out fine until the bank PIPS was working with decided that they didn't want to handle the account any longer. Many people have said that Bryan (PIPS) should have just written checks to pay members. As was stated many times in the origional PIPS forum the laws over there require that checks going out of the country from businesses be issued by the banks not the business. I feel that PIPS will be back in a restructured form and with several payment processors connected to it. Also instead of members being able to request as many withdrawals as they want a month (there were people with over 30 requests in one month), they will be restricted to 1 per month, quater, semi-annual ect. as stated in a message in Bryan's area here. Wally