Thread: my turn on the soapbox

At the risk of sounding prejudice (which I am not at all) the only safe thing would be not to hire muslims then. I wouldnt know how else to screen for this type of behavior.

Originally Posted by Thelema

You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

Hello Style,

Hiring there does present problems that challenge a solution but then Bryan had employees such as Tini and Anusha that were simply as good as people come, the best anybody could ask for. It's just that the potential for muslim extremist interest or agenda for the extraordinary profits of Pips/Picpay conceivably does exist; and, as a security issue, I don't see any way around addressing it in some way. With what happened to me three weeks before closing of Pips, I cannot help but see this as an issue that urgently needs to be addressed in a restructured Pips, as well as Picpay's operations. Non-extremist muslims are the norm, and honorable and beautiful people such as Tini and Anusha shine as examples of the best of human kind. It's just the geographical area contains an extremist element, as is especially prevalent among the Indonesian Islands, and we just don't know of how to predict or assess the possible implications of that element with regards to Pips/Picpay operations in Malaysia. I do think Bryan had some bad apples, as it were, among the believing Jinn--again, as it were. I also think Bryan is a man capable of handling these issues and that he will succeed in doing so.

Best regards,

Thelema

Originally Posted by Underroo

I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

Pantherjon, I totally agree, which is why I did not say "Bryan" is to blame, perhaps I should have been more clear. But the company was not paying, and thus complaints and an investigation were inevitable. I have always suspected there was an inside job that was going on since at least fall of 2004, and think you outlined this well in your post. My point was that for those who keep blaming BoN, that is not where the blame lies. The situation had reached a point where freezing the funds became necessary for BoN to do what they need to do, but the problems started 8 to 10 months before BoN ever stepped in. I do believe one of Bryan's most serious mistakes was trusting the wrong person or persons, and that perhaps he has been a victim in all of this too.

I doubt we will ever be told what really happened. My guess is that all we will ever hear from BoN is whether or not they determined the company was legitimate or not, but I doubt we will be privy as to what else they found in their investigation. That will most likely have to come from Bryan, and I doubt he will tell us very much, for a variety of reasons. While I think it would be good public relations (for lack of a better way to put it) to give the loaning members some answers regarding what happened and why, I am not sure we are really entitled to anything more than very general answers. I would guess the majority would like to know the truth...I know I would. But, if our PicPay withdrawals are honored and things move forward and we can still earn based to some degree on where our accounts were back in August, then if we don't get to know anything more, I can sure live with that.

Originally Posted by soaringeagle

I doubt we will ever be told what really happened. My guess is that all we will ever hear from BoN is whether or not they determined the company was legitimate or not, but I doubt we will be privy as to what else they found in their investigation. That will most likely have to come from Bryan, and I doubt he will tell us very much, for a variety of reasons. While I think it would be good public relations (for lack of a better way to put it) to give the loaning members some answers regarding what happened and why, I am not sure we are really entitled to anything more than very general answers. I would guess the majority would like to know the truth...I know I would. But, if our PicPay withdrawals are honored and things move forward and we can still earn based to some degree on where our accounts were back in August, then if we don't get to know anything more, I can sure live with that.

I hope you're sitting down...In this particular case, Soaring, I couldn't agree more. Now, pick yourself up from the floor. LOL

soaringeagle & everwiser I have to join you in agreement .
As far as a muslim extremists goes that is pure speculation.Thelema & teshema someone could have used arabic sounding names to throw you off of who actually was trying to take over your accounts. Just something to think about

Hi
No sorry the reason why BN ultimately froze the funds is because of people and peoples greed
It was not Bryan who was doing chargebacks and it wasnt Bryan putting up obstacles so this could fail.There are many people in high places who do not want something like PIPS to work,pure and simple
Growing to fast maybe also buy ultimately greed is the major factor in this
To all those people complaining and whining at Bryan take some responsibility for your thoughts and actions
Even in the end this turns out to be something we all hope its not you still make your own decisions in all areas of life

Greg

Originally Posted by everwiser

I hope you're sitting down...In this particular case, Soaring, I couldn't agree more. Now, pick yourself up from the floor. LOL

Also agreed.

What puzzles me though, is why were the members not informed of the supposed thefts? Surely this would have resulted in no complaints and BNM not investigating.

Assuming any of this unsubstantiated theft story is true,be interesting to see a response from Bryan on this one.

Everwiser...I have a concussion now from the fall, but hopefully I will recover soon, lol!

Dreamer, yes, that is a good question... I know it was brought up somewhere sometime ago, and one of the reasons suggested was that it would have been premature and unwise for Bryan to tell that to the members...and perhaps he was unable to prove it? I don't know...just thinking out loud for the moment. Maybe part of the investigation is finding the money trail...then BoN can make the appropriate charges....?

Originally Posted by soaringeagle

Everwiser...I have a concussion now from the fall, but hopefully I will recover soon, lol!

Dreamer, yes, that is a good question... I know it was brought up somewhere sometime ago, and one of the reasons suggested was that it would have been premature and unwise for Bryan to tell that to the members...and perhaps he was unable to prove it? I don't know...just thinking out loud for the moment. Maybe part of the investigation is finding the money trail...then BoN can make the appropriate charges....?

Good thinking.Since its been going on for so long now you would have thought the culprits would have been tried and sentenced by now.....lol

Originally Posted by Dreamer

Good thinking.Since its been going on for so long now you would have thought the culprits would have been tried and sentenced by now.....lol

I, for one, would sure like to be there front and center when they are tried and sentenced!!