Thread: my turn on the soapbox

Originally Posted by Underroo

I agree..But lets take another look at the situation of WHY there were the complaints to bring about the investigation..This is purely speculation on my part, but I have silently seen some things that give it a bit of credence..I truly believe that there was someone in the upper management that was 'pencil whipping' the withdrawals to make it APPEAR as tho those funds went to the intended recipient, where in truth the funds went into their grubby hands..If one was around when withdrawals started to slow to a trickle, you would remember that for A LOT of that time frame Bryan was occupied on ventures outside of Malaysia and left a certain person in charge of things..And remember also that Bryan kept asserting that members WERE being paid, cause he only had reports from the home office that everything was 'hunky dory here boss'..Only when he returned and took a close look at things that he got a little bit of what was going on..Just my humble opinion..There was also the 'rumor' of crooked merchants...

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Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)

Interesting,

Good point, I remember it like yesterday when merchant payment issues were first being griped about as not receiving payments, and Bryan jumped in saying RUBBISH? That truly appeared to me that HE did not know what was going on, and sincerely believed payments had been made. After all, why would anyone say RUBBISH with contempt when questioned, if he had known what was really going on with merchant payment issue.

This was a trigger in my head that there was internal theft or some kind of fraud going on behind Bryan's back, so won't it be nice to hear the truth some day? Seems several people got the same feelings about managment. Just my two dinars on whole subject.

Good luck to all, Mike

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

Good point, I remember it like yesterday when merchant payment issues were first being griped about as not receiving payments, and Bryan jumped in saying RUBBISH? That truly appeared to me that HE did not know what was going on, and sincerely believed payments had been made. After all, why would anyone say RUBBISH with contempt when questioned, if he had known what was really going on with merchant payment issue.

This was a trigger in my head that there was internal theft or some kind of fraud going on behind Bryan's back, so won't it be nice to hear the truth some day? Seems several people got the same feelings about managment. Just my two dinars on whole subject.

Good luck to all, Mike

I agree with Mike. That what is exactly happened.

A lot of this crap reminds me of "big brother" stepping in all over in the land below us and "protecting" people from supposed scammers by closing HYIPs and freezing funds without properly investigating what it is they are protecting us from

But how do you know they didn't properly investigate it first before freezing the funds?

Do you think they just go shutting down multi million dollar companies without reason? The last thing the Malaysian governement wants is to drive away business's from their economy. Unless there was almost undisputable evidence of fraud they would not freeze the entire business.

This may be unrelated, but, then again, it may hit the mark dead center. Three weeks before the closure of Pips by BN, I went into all my accounts to make another withdrawal; only to find out, after logging in sucessfully, that the ownership names to several of my accounts had been changed to names like "Achmed" and other muslim-sounding names. Well, you wouldn't believe what I had to go through with three Pips operators to straighten that highjacking out. I have all my accounts fully documented, screen copies of everything right from the Goldenwomb days, even the original spends. Well, to the first three operators I talked to, even that didn't seem to be enough to "prove" the accounts were mine instead of the "Achmed" criminals. Disgusted with them, I insisted on talking to "Tini," remember her, and gave her all the proof by quoting account numbers and withdrawal numbers, etc.: In about one minute, at the most, she had my accounts straightened out and the problem solved. Got control over the accounts that some number of Bryan's employees were trying to steal, and I had the passwords changed for those accounts. Tini had begun to warn me of something when someone came in and she clammed up instantly and started saying something entirely unrelated. I told her, on my end, that I suspected the problem with the withdrawals and, evidently, successful and non-successful attempts at stealing peoples accounts were being done by her fellow employees, and would she name anyone. She said she couldn't respond to that. Actually, I suspected then, and still do, that muslim extremists had infiltrated Bryan's operations and were trying to steal funds and accounts for their activities.

Three weeks later, BN closes Pips down. Now, this is now neither here nor there, but, damn it, those events did happen to me; attempts by some of Bryan's muslim employees to steal three of my largest accounts. If there was or is a muslim extremist involvement, then, well, it changes things significantly, especially in terms of BN's investigation. I don't know, of course, this is speculation, an attempt on my part to make sense out of the attempted highjacking of the accounts mentioned and out of Tini's reaction to whoever came in that day. But this is something to think about at any rate. Actually, I've been a little surprised that I haven't heard of this happening to anyone else. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't, but it did happen to this pipster. By the way, I mentioned "accounts" and that is related to the transition from Goldenwomb to Pips; I joined with Bryan in Goldenwomb in October of 2002, so my history with Bryan and Pips goes back to the earliest days. It was guys like me that brought in the initial population of Goldenwomb and, later, Pips. Anyway, like I said, neither here nor there, now, but something to think about. And, to Bryan I say, get 'um Man, make it happen!

Best regards,

thelema

Hi Thelema,

I too had the same problem at approximately the same time you did. I was a new investor and had 2 separate accounts. My account was also changed and admin changed my password. My husbands account has never been correct and I could only get into it for the first month. However I do have all of the records along with my copies of wire transmittals.

I know that BM is doing his best and we are behind him 100%

May God Bless All

You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

It is unfortunate that we have so many who felt "cheated" and were as quick to judge BM despite the lack of knowing enough with regards to circumstances that are potentially possible.

Having said that, those affected by the misfortune as described above, should make themselves available to stand-in with such evidence when the time requires... it would help equally well in nailing them bloody culprits who actually needs to be tracked down and scalped off from whatever savings they had accumulated from us all....

YB.

maybe someone should start a thread regarding this... to see if any other's have similar stories

Originally Posted by edbri871

But how do you know they didn't properly investigate it first before freezing the funds?

Do you think they just go shutting down multi million dollar companies without reason? The last thing the Malaysian governement wants is to drive away business's from their economy. Unless there was almost undisputable evidence of fraud they would not freeze the entire business.

Oh no?

It was a local bank that turned Plexpay in to the local Police in Norway, simply because they were moving large amounts of money. They had no evidence and still have no evidence of fraud. They started by investigating an individual officer of the company but denied the whole company the right to do business, without any proof whatsover - so the answer is yes, they do shut down business' in any part of the world on the concept that you are guilty until proven innocent. And yes, they have frozen the whole industry.

But then you knew this.

Originally Posted by Thelema

You are the first other one that I've heard of it happening to. I forgot to mention that my largest account, and the one with the actual "Achmed" name attached to it was the only one that had also had the password changed. The other two I caught, evidently, in time before they could change the password. I had to call on trying to get in to that main account, and that is when I hit a huge resistance from three of the operators. It was then that I insisted on talking to Tini--I also asked for Anusha but she was off that day, sick--and Tini made extremely short work out of the situation. She was/is so amazing; I miss her, I really do. Anyway, there was some very disturbing criminal activity going on among his employees that I don't think Bryan had a clue of; in fact I'm sure of it. I think now he knows, however, but I don't know what or if he can say about it. For the future, though, it remains a problem; if extremists did, in fact, infiltate Pips, you know they'll try doing it again. And think from where he must draw his employee population! How is he going to handle these kinds of security issues? This is a tough deal, here, and with no easy solution. Anyway, thanks for sounding off that it happened to you; I've been curious about this with others all this time.

Best regards,

thelema

Thelema!...interesting.

I had a nasty experience in january 2005, where a couple of PIPS employees sent me several emails stating that I owed PIPS more than USD 5,000.00...which was just pure rubbish. I spent several weeks disputing their claims, and fortunately I could document all my transactions since June 2004. They never apologized for their behavour or gave me any evidence of their claims, even though I asked for a rational explanation of their attempt to cheat me.

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