I got kick out of BTI Forum- Need to pay again???

[luckydog]

Great answer argon! We don't want something for nothing we just want what we paid for. Billy should keep his word. A lifetime membership is a lifetime membership.

We shouldn't be so hard on DWAIN though, after all it's Billy's , I mean Dwain's first post in this forum.

[iclub]

Why would anyone think , when the platform that was to finance pips usa / BTI went down with the pips investment , they would get a FREE RIDE ,,, i guess it is the same mentality that brought all of us to pips in the fisrt place SOMETHING FOR NOTHING !!! I repaid my dues and went on about my business ,,, for all that think Billy is getting rich from your dues ,,, then i hope you don't pay ,,, i am not thrilled to be assoiated with you !!! SO PLEASE !!! GET OFF BILLY'S "AXX" AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE !!! THANK YOU ONE AND ALL !!! HAVE A GREAT DAY !! 8)

Dwain,

First of all, you don't have to shout, we can hear you. We are trying to keep this as civilized as possible. You must not have read some of the posts properly. Maybe I can explain:

- Pips-USA was considered already expensive by many when they charged a $100 lifetime contribution
- It is not important to the members where the management decided to invest the money. Just imagine that the management of any company, group or club uses that as an excuse to make you pay again!
- Now not all dues were paid through picpay and most of it was collected before there was a problem with withdrawals. Billy did say as much. This would have me conclude that before, when the withdrawals did work, the money was collected and not invested in a Pips account.
- now let us look at some figures. There were appr. 3000 members in Pips-USA. Of those around 500 membership dues were stuck in picpay when it stopped paying out. Therefore 2500 x $100 = $250.000 was collected. Please explain to me what was all done with that money?
- Now Pips-USA decided to change its name to BTI. Why? Because mangement decided not to use the name Pips anymore. Although others kept using it (see Pips Australia), they followed the advise of Gary. So be it.
- Now BTI management decides that the $250.000 is not enough to run a website with a forum. I agree, there is a lot of work being done by the moderators in the forum, but, as far as we know, these people are not paid for what they do. Agreed, Billy did travel to Panama and other places. All for the benefit of the membership. He also talked to other people about diversification, medical care etc etc. So he is entitled to expenses. How much do you think is reasonable?
- Next step: management has decided that they do not have enough money to cover the cost of the forum and all the traveling and talking expenses. So they decide that the lifetime membership can safely be dished and the members now get charged a monthly fee of $10 per month.
- Lets look at the figures again. 3000 Members x $10 = $30.000 per month, each and every month!!
- now you say that they they deserve to get paid for what they do ..... I agree with that. But how much should they get paid? And for what?
- BTI management is getting paid by the fact that they will get referrals for the programs they have suggested. These programs were suggested as diversification of the members after many, many month of due diligence. No discussion here, let's assume that they did. Now we would think that these programs are good for all members and everyone should benefit equaly? Ai, now we have a little problem. BTI (read management) had to subscribe first and then everyone else would get a url to use. Sorry, few mistakes and a few days later ........ indeed the members can now hope to get somewhat of a downline as well. The members who were already subscribed to the particular program are not allowed to be involved in any rotator set up by BTI. Why not? They have paid their dues as well. Seems rather odd considering that all this is being done to help all members, not just a happy few.
- Pips-USA was set up as an association of Pips members who got together to help and support each other
- BTI seems to be set up to support a few

Let me finish by saying that nobody here wanted something for nothing! We all paid our lifetime membership and we expect to get value for our money. If you repaid your dues then that is your perogative, but don't put others down for demanding justice.

If you do not want to be associated with us, then that is your choice as well. Nobody has to be here, nobody is forced to be in BTI. On the contrary, we're all being forced out!

Jan
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We could not express any better. It is sad that BTI management is trying to squeez last drop of blood from all those believers in BTI ro then PIPSUSA???

[gigabux]

I hear you, I paid with PayPal so I know he got my money. I think I will look into getting a charge back. See how he likes that!

What a scam...lifetime membership....only lasted for 7months..I am still alive!!

PipsUSA site shows this:

Your payment history

Product Period Payment System Amount
PayPal 01/05/2005 01/05/2015 $117.50

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

He got my $100 in May, 05.
This sounds like a great idea!
Is it possible?

[KamiKakes]

Why would anyone think , when the platform that was to finance pips usa / BTI went down with the pips investment , they would get a FREE RIDE ,,, i guess it is the same mentality that brought all of us to pips in the fisrt place SOMETHING FOR NOTHING !!! I repaid my dues and went on about my business ,,, for all that think Billy is getting rich from your dues ,,, then i hope you don't pay ,,, i am not thrilled to be assoiated with you !!! SO PLEASE !!! GET OFF BILLY'S "AXX" AND GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE !!! THANK YOU ONE AND ALL !!! HAVE A GREAT DAY !! 8)

Dwain,

First of all, you don't have to shout, we can hear you. We are trying to keep this as civilized as possible. You must not have read some of the posts properly. Maybe I can explain:

- Pips-USA was considered already expensive by many when they charged a $100 lifetime contribution
- It is not important to the members where the management decided to invest the money. Just imagine that the management of any company, group or club uses that as an excuse to make you pay again!
- Now not all dues were paid through picpay and most of it was collected before there was a problem with withdrawals. Billy did say as much. This would have me conclude that before, when the withdrawals did work, the money was collected and not invested in a Pips account.
- now let us look at some figures. There were appr. 3000 members in Pips-USA. Of those around 500 membership dues were stuck in picpay when it stopped paying out. Therefore 2500 x $100 = $250.000 was collected. Please explain to me what was all done with that money?
- Now Pips-USA decided to change its name to BTI. Why? Because mangement decided not to use the name Pips anymore. Although others kept using it (see Pips Australia), they followed the advise of Gary. So be it.
- Now BTI management decides that the $250.000 is not enough to run a website with a forum. I agree, there is a lot of work being done by the moderators in the forum, but, as far as we know, these people are not paid for what they do. Agreed, Billy did travel to Panama and other places. All for the benefit of the membership. He also talked to other people about diversification, medical care etc etc. So he is entitled to expenses. How much do you think is reasonable?
- Next step: management has decided that they do not have enough money to cover the cost of the forum and all the traveling and talking expenses. So they decide that the lifetime membership can safely be dished and the members now get charged a monthly fee of $10 per month.
- Lets look at the figures again. 3000 Members x $10 = $30.000 per month, each and every month!!
- now you say that they they deserve to get paid for what they do ..... I agree with that. But how much should they get paid? And for what?
- BTI management is getting paid by the fact that they will get referrals for the programs they have suggested. These programs were suggested as diversification of the members after many, many month of due diligence. No discussion here, let's assume that they did. Now we would think that these programs are good for all members and everyone should benefit equaly? Ai, now we have a little problem. BTI (read management) had to subscribe first and then everyone else would get a url to use. Sorry, few mistakes and a few days later ........ indeed the members can now hope to get somewhat of a downline as well. The members who were already subscribed to the particular program are not allowed to be involved in any rotator set up by BTI. Why not? They have paid their dues as well. Seems rather odd considering that all this is being done to help all members, not just a happy few.
- Pips-USA was set up as an association of Pips members who got together to help and support each other
- BTI seems to be set up to support a few

Let me finish by saying that nobody here wanted something for nothing! We all paid our lifetime membership and we expect to get value for our money. If you repaid your dues then that is your perogative, but don't put others down for demanding justice.

If you do not want to be associated with us, then that is your choice as well. Nobody has to be here, nobody is forced to be in BTI. On the contrary, we're all being forced out!

Jan
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I think it's disgusting of IB-AKA-BTI to be doing this to Members who are already vulnerable, and profit everything for himself. I agree with Jan in the Post above, makes all the sense in the world! :lol:

That Dwain Person needs to learn some manners and proper speach before shouting out
his so-called point! Whatever that is :?: :?:

Just My 2-cents :!: :x

[hobbit8]

I believe it was said that the $$'s collected for a lifetime membership were invested in a pips account. The reason for the $10.00/month dues was because all $$'s in that account were lost because pips went down.
My question is,---When pips is back in business, and the $$'s are indeed not lost, will Billy honor the lifetime member payment?? Lois

[hine]

Many good points here, especially by Jan!

I was a member of PIPS-USA, but decided not to join!

I personally think that IB made an unwise decision to exclude those members that had paid for their life-membership. Now, if I were IB, I would reconsider my decision, and find another way to collect USD 10 per month from members.

I am sure if IB had been open about his situation, many members would understand his situation and together we would find a way to support his new venture!....

IB, it is never toooooo late to turn-around and find a way to please all those members that can not justify to pay additional funds!

hine

[gigabux]

I just initiated a charge back with my credit card co. for the $100 BTI is not honoring. They said I can do this up to 4 mos. after the fact. I'm in by about a week! Paypal couldn't do anything after 45 days.
Anyway, if you paid for your "lifetime" membership less than 4 mos. ago, you may be able to get it back. Contact your CC co.
I need to provide as much documentation as possible and it would be a great help if somebody has something showing the "lifetime" membership offer. If so, I could PM you my email addy. I'd really appreciate it.

LET'S TAKE IT BACK!!!

Admin , Hope this is the thread you believe we have for this. I think it was OK in it's own thread. Your call...

[Admin]

I just initiated a charge back with my credit card co. for the $100 BTI is not honoring. They said I can do this up to 4 mos. after the fact. I'm in by about a week! Paypal couldn't do anything after 45 days.
Anyway, if you paid for your "lifetime" membership less than 4 mos. ago, you may be able to get it back. Contact your CC co.
I need to provide as much documentation as possible and it would be a great help if somebody has something showing the "lifetime" membership offer. If so, I could PM you my email addy. I'd really appreciate it.

LET'S TAKE IT BACK!!!

Admin , Hope this is the thread you believe we have for this. I think it was OK in it's own thread. Your call...

Just wanted to share the latest news LOL from this thread http://www.rolclub.com/viewtopic.php?t=2370 , Cant believe this! Admin
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azmia wrote:

hummmm

Excuse me for a second to interject this question ?

Who operates this forum ? I would like to know the individuals that I would be paying fees to ?


Given the light of what is going on right now, you are asking money from PIPsters in the guise of keeping this forum running, when Bryan came out and posted NOT to start another forum. You can call this forum anything that you would like, but as long as the main interest is PIPS which we know it is, you are going against Bryan.


I find this a bit confusing, since Sept 1, BTI started charging for their membership, and this is one of the only other forums availabe for posting and information regarding PIPS.


So to charge a membership fee, I don't know about that....especially without know who is behind this administration and who controls the servers and who is pushing the strings...this is actually mirroring what we just experienced in BTI.....sounds more to me like someone is trying to make a few fast bucks at the expense of members...isn't that what PIPS USA was doing ????
Isn't the old PIPS forum to be up soon ?
Maybe I will open a chat room !!

Oh my God, i was taken by a surprise! Azima, i hear you are a Moderator at BTI? Wow, great to have you with us.

A fellow pipster LUCKYDOG said

However, I am a little surprised at azmia's judgemental attitude with this forum when she is a moderator over at BTI.

Hmm, should i coment BTI and you Now? Or should i just let this matter cool down with a cold bottel of water? My fingers sure wanna give a try at the keybord explaining you a few things, but i rather NOT! I think this would be wise of me!

But here is a little surprise for you if you did not i know
http://www.rolclub.com/viewtopic.php?t=2359

I suggest we start looking into ourself before we go and attack other!
If you still did not understand what i mean, i would be more then pleased to break the ice, but i suggest we dont do that!

Admin
Marek

[lightrayspips]

I tried to log in today at BTI Forum and would not allow me without
making a payment.

I was paid member there ($100 lifetime membership).

Well IrishBilly has new rules for $10/month, which a lot of members are
against that.

Well so much for my $100 it is down to drain. I am out of there.

I am glad that I am member of this ROL Club. Least I have good friends here.

BTI? What is that?

[weathernut]

BTI is Breakthrough International. The old pips-usa site.


Mike