Thread: Nov 24 for re-mention of BM's case

Originally Posted by lapcus

sigh

Offshore-Wealth.com im sure you are a very intellegent man..and i dont doubt that...but i just want you to realise that not every one here is stupid...not everyone is going to sit and just take all this mess that is being ****ed out and accept it as fact just because it comes for your mouth piece and other proclaimed "experts"

Note,

Did I say you were stupid, no, I indicated you were merely ill informed. You want to think money laundering is frivolous, and it is not as simple as laundering money to clean it, then go ahead. I could care less if you don't want to believe or accept the facts, it will all come out more clearly when trial starts, and then you and others will see this is a very serious criinal charge, one for which could generate over 500 years in prison if convicted on all current 101 charges.

Good luck to all, Mike

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

There you go again, crucified? Who crucified you? Another definition issue I see. If it was embezzlement, the charge would have reflected so, it was not, it was money laundering, a legal definition of criminal activity. If you reread your embezzlement definition, you will notice term, fraudulent appropriation, as in FRAUD, but yet you still discount this as nothing, yet it too is FRAUD.

If you want facts, I could write a book on legal precedents revolving around money laundering, fraud and illegal activity, as in operating a ponzi, but you won't understand any of it, this is obvious. Bryan was moving funds illegally through financial systems so it appears to be legally aquired. As in our money was extracted under false and misleading information of being invested, when in fact it wasn't. This is FRAUD, this is MONEY LAUNDERING.

Good luck to all, MIke

the thing is...why wasnt the word "fraud " ..."ponzi" or such mentioned here?..why is only "money laundering" mentioned?...the charge of Fraud and Money Laundering are two different things....alls i see is the charge of Money laundering...if he was commiting Fraud..then why wasnt he charged with Fraud instead of Money Laundering.

Yes 'embezzlement" is what it seems you and Owen are trying to make Money Laundering into....the "raudulent appropriation" of funds from Newmark into his own account...but this is not the case..or at least that kind of charge has not come forth yet...

you said...
"Bryan was moving funds illegally through financial systems so it appears to be legally aquired. " ...do you see how you have to strech info in order to fit your agenda?....im sure that BNM is not as complex as your definition of money laundering is...lol....again what you just discribed is grounds for embezzlement not Money laundering....the funds that came from Newmark are not "dirty" money and doesnt need to be cleaned...it was not illegal money..as it had already been "cleaned" before it got to Newmark...the dirty money came from outside sources and into Newmark..and out of Newmark as clean ...that is "if" thats where BM took money from. Peoples hard earned money is not illegal funds...and from what i remeber there were over 200,000 pips accunts...not 97 members..as the charges of money laundering is...so if what you are saying is true about him "stealing" all of our money then there should be 200,000 charges of your special kind of "money laundering"...not 97....unless 97 of those accounts came from illegal places...

my two cents here...

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Note,

Did I say you were stupid, no, I indicated you were merely ill informed. You want to think money laundering is frivolous, and it is not as simple as laundering money to clean it, then go ahead. I could care less if you don't want to believe or accept the facts, it will all come out more clearly when trial starts, and then you and others will see this is a very serious criinal charge, one for which could generate over 500 years in prison if convicted on all current 101 charges.

Good luck to all, Mike

no i believed you said

"Interesting,

So from your statement I see you have no clue what money laundering is.""

again you are assuming that i made light of the charges being brought forth...but what im saying is that if Pips is as bad as you and Talk gold's finest claim..then there would be more charges than just "money laundering" ..say like Fraud, embezzlement, operating a ponzi , etc.....why is that?

Originally Posted by lapcus

sigh

Offshore-Wealth.com im sure you are a very intellegent man..and i dont doubt that...but i just want you to realise that not every one here is stupid...not everyone is going to sit and just take all this mess that is being ****ed out and accept it as fact just because it comes for your mouth piece and other proclaimed "experts"

Well you probably should, money laundering, embezzlement are just different types of frauds.
Bryan has indeed been charged with a fraud a specific fraud, but a fraud.
He has by all appearence committed many more, many more serious frauds, thefts, and embezzlements and I would bet he'll get charged with them as this case goes forward..

Originally Posted by boatman

Well you probably should, money laundering, embezzlement are just different types of frauds.
Bryan has indeed been charged with a fraud a specific fraud, but a fraud.
He has by all appearence committed many more, many more serious frauds, thefts, and embezzlements and I would bet he'll get charged with them as this case goes forward..

perhaps..but all i see so far is money laundering...from what i understand is now 101 charges of it...but 0 or anything else...

BNM had over a year to put this together...i seriously doubt that after all that time they give him the "wrong charge" when he should have been charged with something else....not unless thats all they could find on him

and another thing..correct me if im wrong..but wasnt the CEO of plexpay doing what Owen Platt claims BM is doing?....but yet i believe he was charged with embezzlement ...but not BM?....and from what i understand he was cleared too...maybe it was because they charged him with one thing and he should have been charged with another....so if that is the case with BM then he may get off on technicality as well..lol

Again,

Money laundering is fraud, what is it you are missing about this fact. It is not me saying it, it is every legal statute in the world saying it. Money laundering is simply an all inclusive charge which encompasses fraud in a broad term, but it is indeed FRAUD.

You mention 200K members, and only 101 charges, if it was as simply as you want to make it sound, then yes, there could be 200K charges, but this just proves we are not talking about the same thing, now doesn't it?

The charges of money laundering have nothing to do with OUR money being sent to Byran, it has to do with how many transactions were uncovered where he moved money illegally into his personal accounts from Newmark, and PICPay, amoung others I am sure. Now if you want to consider this as salary, and legal, then you just don't understand the charges. If it were payroll salary, it would have stated so on check or draft and certainly in books, but then again, there were no books. After a year of investigation, do you really think BN would know the difference between a scheduled payroll check as salary vs. unrecorded electronic transfers.

Good luck to all, Mike

Originally Posted by lapcus

and another thing..correct me if im wrong..but wasnt the CEO of plexpay doing what Owen Platt claims BM is doing?....but yet i believe he was charged with embezzlement ...but not BM?....and from what i understand he was cleared too...maybe it was because they charged him with one thing and he should have been charged with another....so if that is the case with BM then he may get off on technicality as well..lol

Things like that happen, but let's hope that truth and justice prevail. That is what I want the TRUTH of this guy, Pips and Pic Pay for all to see.... Bryan getting off on a technicality dissapearing into the sunset won't get anyone's money back, except Bryan's and his probable stashed funds.

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Again,

Money laundering is fraud, what is it you are missing about this fact. It is not me saying it, it is every legal statute in the world saying it. Money laundering is simply an all inclusive charge which encompasses fraud in a broad term, but it is indeed FRAUD.

You mention 200K members, and only 101 charges, if it was as simply as you want to make it sound, then yes, there could be 200K charges, but this just proves we are not talking about the same thing, now doesn't it?

The charges of money laundering have nothing to do with OUR money being sent to Byran, it has to do with how many transactions were uncovered where he moved money illegally into his personal accounts from Newmark, and PICPay, amoung others I am sure. Now if you want to consider this as salary, and legal, then you just don't understand the charges. If it were payroll salary, it would have stated so on check or draft and certainly in books, but then again, there were no books. After a year of investigation, do you really think BN would know the difference between a scheduled payroll check as salary vs. unrecorded electronic transfers.

Good luck to all, Mike

there is a charge that is called plain "Fraud".....money laundering is specific yes..and THATS what he was charged with a specific fraud called "money laundering" ..not embezzlement or anything else..now by what the definition of the "specific fraud" of money laundering is....it is NOT what you and OP said earlier..

qouted by Owen: ....The facts relating to the charges laid against the Marsdens to date are that they transferred monies from the account of Newmark into their own personal accounts.

qouted by Offshore: ....Since you asked, YES, it was FRAUD, after all, that is what MONEY LAUNDERING is. All the rest makes little difference, he is charged with FRAUD, as in theft of money from all of us who trusted this crook.


what you two said here may be fraud but it is NOT money laundering ...that is embezzlement....yes they are both consider fraud as you say..but they are specific fraud..and as i remeber he was NOT charged with the specific fraud of embezzlement...but the specific fraud of money laundering which is NOT what you 2 are discribing in the qoutes above..

sigh..first you say ....

"Since you asked, YES, it was FRAUD, after all, that is what MONEY LAUNDERING is. All the rest makes little difference, he is charged with FRAUD, as in theft of money from all of us who trusted this crook."

now you say...

The charges of money laundering have nothing to do with OUR money being sent to Byran, it has to do with how many transactions were uncovered where he moved money illegally into his personal accounts from Newmark, and PICPay, amoung others I am sure.


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