Thread: Pips-(BM)-Trial Starts 13th of september.

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Style,

I always respected your posts, even if I didn't agree with your style. LOL Seriously, everyone here at one time or another beleived and trusted in Bryan, myself included. We were all wrong to believe and trust him, and this has become painfully obvious at this point, but I don't feel everyone should come to the same conclusion all at the same exact time.

Style came to it sooner than most. In fact, I was coming to same conclusion while he was blasting Bryan, but like some, we don't want to believe we were all scammed, for the moment we do, then all hopes and dreams are fianlly over. This is human nature, and as we all know, we are not all the same. I sensed the frustration in Style's posts, but I wouldn't ban anyone for we are all entitled to say it like we see it, good or bad, so as then, and as now, I still respect you posts, the only difference is I know agree totally. (g) Wow, did I say that? LOL

Good luck to all, Mike

Mike et al,

I still do not understand this constant feeling of some of being in some way let down or cheated by Bryan. A basically good man is being maligned quite unwarrantably.

I have read somewhere that you, Mike, did disengage from Pips some time ago, having successfully withdrawn most of your capital with accrued "interests".

So your ranting is not because you have been in any cheated by the Marsdens but because you sensed that your income was not coming to you from invested money but from "recycled" money. Am I right?

Pips, as I understand it, was an evolving entity. If, as you say, you were in it from the very beginning then you will know about Golden Womb with all the clones. This was found not to be working so Bryan created and restructured Pure Investor into Pips. We were paid "interest" on our deposits until Bryan was somehow made to realise that interest was perhaps a misnomer. So we began receiving returns on our "loans" to pips at 2% per business day.

It seems to me that a lot of people, pricipally those at Talkgold as championed by Mr Platt, and you included, did not cotton on to that subtle difference of tack. I surmise that it would have been difficult for Bryan to come out and spell out this new strategy in the face of all the problems that he was being given by the banking fraternity. But then I do not see why he should have found that necessary given that ALL Businesses have their own "secrets". Secrets that they guard very jealously because they believe that that is what gives them a competitive advange against their competitors. So I have not been in the least surprised that Bryan has refused to discuss his business strategies publicly.

Have you heard of Credit Unions? These are mostly localised entities but Pips is the first one I can think of to have successfully operated globally. Members' monies are recycled amongst the members. As I say, it would have been difficult for Bryan to come out to spell this out. But so what if he was not investing?

People who claim to have lost money are those who came into the program too late. Everyone, will in the end, will have been fulfilled but for the constant clamouring of all those malcontents who had no money in the program at all which ultimately attracted the attention of the Central Bank.

eman.

Originally Posted by eman

Mike et al,

I still do not understand this constant feeling of some of being in some way let down or cheated by Bryan. A basically good man is being maligned quite unwarrantably.

I have read somewhere that you, Mike, did disengage from Pips some time ago, having successfully withdrawn most of your capital with accrued "interests".

So your ranting is not because you have been in any cheated by the Marsdens but because you sensed that your income was not coming to you from invested money but from "recycled" money. Am I right?

Pips, as I understand it, was an evolving entity. If, as you say, you were in it from the very beginning then you will know about Golden Womb with all the clones. This was found not to be working so Bryan created and restructured Pure Investor into Pips. We were paid "interest" on our deposits until Bryan was somehow made to realise that interest was perhaps a misnomer. So we began receiving returns on our "loans" to pips at 2% per business day.

It seems to me that a lot of people, pricipally those at Talkgold as championed by Mr Platt, and you included, did not cotton on to that subtle difference of tack. I surmise that it would have been difficult for Bryan to come out and spell out this new strategy in the face of all the problems that he was being given by the banking fraternity. But then I do not see why he should have found that necessary given that ALL Businesses have their own "secrets". Secrets that they guard very jealously because they believe that that is what gives them a competitive advange against their competitors. So I have not been in the least surprised that Bryan has refused to discuss his business strategies publicly.

Have you heard of Credit Unions? These are mostly localised entities but Pips is the first one I can think of to have successfully operated globally. Members' monies are recycled amongst the members. As I say, it would have been difficult for Bryan to come out to spell this out. But so what if he was not investing?

People who claim to have lost money are those who came into the program too late. Everyone, will in the end, will have been fulfilled but for the constant clamouring of all those malcontents who had no money in the program at all which ultimately attracted the attention of the Central Bank.

eman.

Interesting,

It is not about the money lost or gained as much as it is by which means it was lost or gained, and this has always been my issue, trust, not money. Obviously, you still believe in Bryan, so there is little anyone can say to change you mind, just as no one can change my mind. We just have to agree to disagree, and in time, everyone will know the truth.

You mention credit union, yet there was never any formation of such, just words, and sadly, all these words were lies. With the obvious being $3B plus on our screens, where did the billions go? The fact remains, you cannot hide millions, never mind billions, so all the numbers on the screen were total BS, plain and simple, so all in good time, the truth will come out, has to come out, and with not one single verifiable investment, just where was the 2% coming from?

Good luck to all, Mike

Offshore-Wealth:

just where was the 2% coming from?

It was coming from me, from those behind and in front of me who kept pouring funds into Bryan's coffer and jet setting all over the world until his plane ran out of fuel.

Painful to admit, but I, too, was conned.

Originally Posted by philrater

Offshore-Wealth:

It was coming from me, from those behind and in front of me who kept pouring funds into Bryan's coffer and jet setting all over the world until his plane ran out of fuel.

Painful to admit, but I, too, was conned.

You were "once" a prominent & outspoken supporter of PiPs and all that ties to it with BM at the helm and you did what those tell-tale signs made you believe in him like any loyal PIPs supporter would!

Thank you for the retrospective courage to accept the truth when hit with one this close and hurtful to the heart at being "betrayed" by your sincerity towards his vision as he wanted us all (most of us with the rare exception of Styles the disbeliever ) to believe and worship in.

He conned not many, but in the thousands that sincerely wanted to believe in the goodness of his vision not realising, he had other plans with that abuse and deception he saw was easily manipulative on those best considered as "gullible" for good ends...not by his agenda several soon had to discover after the March 2005 Hawaiian Convention.

Well, the truth now leads deeper into the dungeon for Bryan where he rightfully belongs for it is in his better safety and interests that he is out of harms way & reach and in safer custody with the Malaysian Prison Authorities that he finds shelter in his goal(s) within metal-draped walls and automated padlocks.

YB. - cheers to all who can now come to some solace for closure someday soon.

I really don't know what to think at this point. I would like someone to at least tell me if there is a chance of getting my money returned or if it is lost in hyperspace land.....

Whatever money they have frozen will probably not be enough to refund the members who have not recieved a payout.Depends on if there are any investments still earning interest.

There was a rumour that 16 Million was found In BM's personal account and around 2 million found in pips accounts.How true this is,only BNM know.

The payouts to previous members,running costs,Bistro,Fashion,Hawaii,kids Bible, etc all cost money.How much is in the kitty remains to be seen

Originally Posted by Offshore-Wealth.com

Interesting,

It is not about the money lost or gained as much as it is by which means it was lost or gained, and this has always been my issue, trust, not money. Obviously, you still believe in Bryan, so there is little anyone can say to change you mind, just as no one can change my mind. We just have to agree to disagree, and in time, everyone will know the truth.

You mention credit union, yet there was never any formation of such, just words, and sadly, all these words were lies. With the obvious being $3B plus on our screens, where did the billions go? The fact remains, you cannot hide millions, never mind billions, so all the numbers on the screen were total BS, plain and simple, so all in good time, the truth will come out, has to come out, and with not one single verifiable investment, just where was the 2% coming from?

Good luck to all, Mike

Thank you, Mike, for your input. You are right that we should agree to disagree about our various opinions of Bryan.

But I begin to dispair of the quality of argument and logic in this forum; at least where Pips is concerned.

Trust?

eman.

Originally Posted by B-A-RULER

I really don't know what to think at this point. I would like someone to at least tell me if there is a chance of getting my money returned or if it is lost in hyperspace land.....

It certainly is NOT LOST in hyperspace as cyberspace is still out there for the picking... subject to cyberskills adapted and tuned for it...

However, as to your concerns which is largely shared by most, one is better prepared to be told/informed when the time arrives which is, you may be required tto submit the answers to questions that will determine how much you might get compensated (if there is much remaining...) and if you are one of those lucky few that qualify for remittance...to whatever degree that might be.... is a matter of dispute again...remember, this is again subject to all data that exists and filed accordingly... outside the box...i.e. outside BM's head...remember, LOTS of it stays inside his head as well...


You have been and more than likely, rather distraught at this stage in time while many including yours truly, have given up all light or hope to seeing any recovered as far back as early April 2005, some even further back after they got to see the symptoms revealed through Santa in December 2004!!!

Ease back ASAP if I can exert this advise to you this time round as that will at least help relief that "stress vent" from exploding with traumatic repercussions later on! Consider it as goodbye "kado" to Bryan and his beautiful bag of dreams you were once led to believe and by many of his close supporters both morally and physically that are dispersing silently into cyberspace presumably....


YB. - cheers to you and letting it loose with a calm closure...

when the trial starts? Just wondering................

Originally Posted by moncheri

when the trial starts? Just wondering................

Moncheri the trial started the day I joined 22/2/05 $5.000 in zero out


oh did you mean Bryans trial haven't heard about that yet