Thread: Lotto Affiliate Program

Originally Posted by BM

Tonyd56,

This may help you understand it better.

The lotto matrix is 3 wide and 7 levels deep the number of members needed to fill the matrix is. 3279

Levels

1 ....... 3
2 ....... 9
3 ....... 27
4 ....... 81
5 ....... 243
6 ....... 729
7 ....... 2187
Total .. 3279

Also bear in mind that each member that signs up appears in a total of 7 matrices as shown below.

matrix 1 - signup is on level 7
matrix 2 - signup is on level 6
matrix 3 - signup is on level 5
matrix 4 - signup is on level 4
matrix 5 - signup is on level 3
matrix 6 - signup is on level 2
matrix 7 - signup is on level 1

Bryan

Bryan I agree with your comment above about 1 person is on 7 levels. But it Does Not affect the number of joins that everyone must get to fill thier personal downlines. The person you are talking about appearing in 7 levels will only appear in any 1 personal downline just 1 time.

BullDog

Originally Posted by Pippyman

Hmmmm... They are pretty vague about what they mean with "in any other manner whatsoever" but I guess that includes EVERY OTHER MANNER. If this is the case then I wonder what other states have to say on that? Because it seems to me that this would apply to internet lotteries..... they obviously want to horde all the sales on tickets to themselves.....

exactly. That's why all internet gambling sites are not allowed for US citizens (I think those companies are trying to change the law, but I don't know the current status), and I would think, that this holds true for Lotto as well. So, I think, there should be a disclaimer, which says, that it is NOT allowed for US citizens and ALL countries, where Internet Lotto is Prohibited. Otherwise every US citizen who is playing and/or building their downline could be charged in court...(anyone still remembers the C&D orders???)
regards
mapi

People seem to be jumping in quickly in response to the last posting by Bryan. I won't likely be joining as I have a philosophical problem with lottos or lotterys in general. I liked the investment program because I benefitted from growth of an industry or use of the money I lent. A lottery is simply a fools way to lose his money, or to steal money from others. Selling tickets to people, knowing they will have no chance of winning is simply selfish beyond reason. And if you think no one gets hurt by this program, you are not looking far enough downline. It's always the ones at the bottom who pay in a lottery. That's why it's such a mean way for states or countrys to raise money. It's a heavy tax on the uneducated and the poor who think this may be their ticket out of poverty. Bryan, you have better ideas that this one. I'll wait for Pips to resurrect, thank you.

Might want to look at this thread. Answers a few questions and raises a few more!

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?t=4180

HI Brian , ARe you still going to call this new lotto program PIPSAID?

Nice post Randerson I tottaly agree I wish Bryan could have found a better way then using gambuling if you think about it using a evil to solve a good makes little sence for pipsaid as a good charity to help those in need.

I have to say I'm with randerson. There is a huge "check" in my spirit to support this Lotto idea which now makes me question BM's integrity. I'm not judging Bryan - I don't know him. But to implement a scheme like this raises, I would think, many eyebrows. I've been involved with several MLM's in my life and the one thing I have learned is that if there is not a viable product being used then it is a scheme. I cannot use a ticket unless I bought so many that I used them for kindling this winter which I do not believe would be considered viable.

Originally Posted by mapi

exactly. That's why all internet gambling sites are not allowed for US citizens (I think those companies are trying to change the law, but I don't know the current status), and I would think, that this holds true for Lotto as well. So, I think, there should be a disclaimer, which says, that it is NOT allowed for US citizens and ALL countries, where Internet Lotto is Prohibited. Otherwise every US citizen who is playing and/or building their downline could be charged in court...(anyone still remembers the C&D orders???)
regards
mapi

Hey mapi

Yeah I agree. That is the first I have seen of such a state law. I hate the fact that this country has soooo much control over its citizens yet THEY call it "freedom". But at any rate you have to follow their rules or else....
What I see could potentially happen here is the same thing with people selling their Picpay to other or investing their money for them. If someone puts in a large sum under you and they lose all of it and come back as a US citizen when they realize that their state outlaws this activity and sues you in court to get their money back. I could easily see this happening here in the US. Sooooo now I might have changed my tune on playing this for referrals at least. I might still play the lottery just myself...... who knows....

I was all set to write a different post than this. But after having read some of the recent posts about legalities, I can see legal authorities worldwide having questions about this program. I know that Bryan has been looking for a way for us all to make some money, but something tells me this idea may not be a good one; it might get him (and us) in more hot water.

A MLM-style matrix with no tangible product or service has the appearance of a Ponzi. And even if the end result is good and for a good cause, the appearance of being a Ponzi is not healthy at all . . . . I really hope Bryan considers and reconsiders before launching this. It could jeopardize Pipsaid and it could further jeopardize PIPs.

I just found these but I am not sure if this clarifies anything or not. This is the closest I have came to finding anything that really makes sense. See what you all think of it.



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http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals...ml/reader.html

Federal Anti-Gambling Provisions


The transmission of gambling information in interstate or foreign commerce is illegal under numerous federal laws including the Federal Interstate Wire Act (also known as "the Wire Act"),24 and the Interstate and Foreign Travel or Transportation in Aid of Racketeering Enterprises Act (also known as "the Travel Act").25

The Wire Act provides in part:

Whoever being engaged in the business of betting or wagering knowingly uses a wire communication facility for the transmission in interstate or foreign commerce of bets or wagers or information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers on any sporting event or contest, or for the transmission of a wire communication which entitles the recipient to receive money or credit as a result of bets or wagers, or for information assisting in the placing of bets or wagers, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.26

The Wire Act defines a wire communication facility as "any and all instrumentalities, personnel, and services ... used or useful in the transmission of writings, signs, pictures, and sounds of all kinds by aid of wire, cable, or other like connection between the points of origin and reception of such transmission."27

Similarly, the Travel Act states that:

Whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility in interstate or foreign commerce, including the mail, with intent to (1) distribute the proceeds of any unlawful activity; or (2) commit any crime of violence to further any unlawful activity; or (3) otherwise promote, manage, establish, carry on, or facilitate the promotion, management, establishment, or carrying on, of any unlawful activity, and thereafter performs or attempts to perform (A) an act described in paragraph (1) or (3) shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five years, or both.... As used in this section (i) "unlawful activity" means (1) any business enterprise involving gambling....28

Although the use of a wire or wire communication facility is not explicitly referenced within the Travel Act, courts have consistently interpreted this statute to include a prohibition against the use of a wire or wire communication facility.29

Since the initial enactment of the Wire and Travel Acts, courts have expanded their application, holding gambling enterprises liable not only for their own use of interstate wire communication facilities, but also for causing "one or more [other] persons to do some act in connection" with the gambling operation that utilizes those facilities.30 Since Internet gambling also uses wire communication facilities for the purpose of transmitting the gambling information, a logical expansion in the application of these Acts would be to Internet gambling.

In an effort to circumvent the application of the Wire and Travel Acts to Internet gambling, however, some Internet gambling operators have argued that the Acts are inapplicable to their activities because the Internet did not exist at the time of the statutes' enactment. As such, the operators contend that Congress could never have intended for them to apply to Internet gambling.31 This argument appears to be fallacious, however, when one reviews the Congressional intent behind the passage of the Wire and Travel Acts.

For example, the legislative history of the Wire Act indicates that it was intended to be applied broadly so as to prevent any interstate or international transmission of gambling information to or from the United States using wire communication facilities.32 As former U.S. Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy wrote, "[t]he purpose of [the Wire Act] is to aid ... in the suppression of organized gambling activities by prohibiting the use of or the leasing, furnishing, or maintaining of wire communication facilities which are or will be used for the transmission of certain gambling information in interstate and foreign commerce."33

Case law also suggests a broad interpretation of both Acts. In United States v. Smith,34 the court explained that the Travel Act should be read so as to effectuate the purpose of the statute "especially when it can be, and has been, determined by the Act itself or its legislative history what it is that the Congress is trying to accomplish by the passage of the act."35 In United States v. Borgese,36 the Southern District of New York approvingly cited Smith when it noted that the Wire Act and the Travel Act "are clearly directed against unlawful activity involving the use of interstate commerce facilities."37 Similarly, as the Fifth Circuit observed in United States v. Steubben,38 the Wire Act, the Travel Act, and the Wagering Paraphernalia Act were meant to be interpreted broadly so as to accomplish the Congressional intent behind their passage, namely to regulate "any gambling-related activity that touches upon interstate commerce."39

In People v. World Interactive Gaming Corp.,40 the court specifically addressed the application of the Wire and Travel Acts to Internet gambling. In holding that both of these Acts applied to the Internet, just as they do to more traditional gambling



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http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Feder...s/wire-act.htm

"Despite the divergent views . . ., the official position as expressed by the Justice Department [during the Clinton Administration] and several state attorneys general is to treat the Wire Act as applying broadly and covering all forms of Internet gaming."