Thread: Let's rent a Lawyer in the name of all

I really don't think any lawyer could or would be able to help us at this point regardless of how much we pay him/her. Bryan has abandoned us and we're just dust in the wind. Time to realize we've been kicked in the crotch and all we can do is smile, walk away, and never be so stupid again in the future.

Newlife And Antje I Agree And Support The Idea Of Not Letting This Get Out Of Hand. In One Of The Posts A Gentleman Explained What The Procedure Would Be And Possibly The Amount Of Money It Would Take. I Know For A Fact That That Person Posted Almost The Same Information A While Back, But Evidently No One Wants To Read It Or Understand What He Is Saying. He Even States That One Of His Daughters Is An International Lawyer. That Alone Should Tell That He Knows What He Is Talking About.
As For Hiring An Attorney - My Vote Is No.

We All Have Money Tied Up In Pips And We Are All In Need, Some Of Us More Than Others, But Let Us Keep A Cool Head And Wait.

Gpd B;ess Is All.
Ann

Newlife And Antje I Agree And Support The Idea Of Not Letting This Get Out Of Hand. In One Of The Posts A Gentleman Explained What The Procedure Would Be And Possibly The Amount Of Money It Would Take. I Know For A Fact That That Person Posted Almost The Same Information A While Back, But Evidently No One Wants To Read It Or Understand What He Is Saying. He Even States That One Of His Daughters Is An International Lawyer. That Alone Should Tell That He Knows What He Is Talking About.
As For Hiring An Attorney - My Vote Is No.

We All Have Money Tied Up In Pips And We Are All In Need, Some Of Us More Than Others, But Let Us Keep A Cool Head And Wait.

God Bless Us All
Ann

Maybe it will be a good idea to wait until xmas.After that, we could consider alternatives.

Originally Posted by greeneyes

Newlife And Antje I Agree And Support The Idea Of Not Letting This Get Out Of Hand. In One Of The Posts A Gentleman Explained What The Procedure Would Be And Possibly The Amount Of Money It Would Take. I Know For A Fact That That Person Posted Almost The Same Information A While Back, But Evidently No One Wants To Read It Or Understand What He Is Saying. He Even States That One Of His Daughters Is An International Lawyer. That Alone Should Tell That He Knows What He Is Talking About.
As For Hiring An Attorney - My Vote Is No.

We All Have Money Tied Up In Pips And We Are All In Need, Some Of Us More Than Others, But Let Us Keep A Cool Head And Wait.

Gpd B;ess Is All.
Ann

Thank you Ann for nice post. If noticed we have some members coming in now and then to stir up situation and just create more trouble. Mainly those are people that does not want any good for Pips return and us members.

We will always have some out there that put brake going up hill.

Originally Posted by newlife

(...) I noticed we have some members coming in now and then to stir up situation and just create more trouble. Mainly those are people that does not want any good for Pips return and us members.

We will always have some out there that put brake going up hill.

I don't know, Newlife: I wouldn't be surprised if those putting the brakes... or in general many problems and conflicts are *not* created by people who want to stir up and create trouble... but - although I won't deny the evil in this world as well - by people who are (OK, from our point maybe wrong, stubborn, not educated, whatever... but still) convinced they are right and do good (or defend what they're entitled to). That's in everyday life's experience amongst friends, neighbours and collegues at work... in conflicts between groups and entire nations (the US intervention in the middle east probably the best known example)... and the same here.
(A never ending tragedy if you like... or challenge... hard to choose.)

You know, the few times I don't manage to take time to balance everything before posting (like I in general try to) and just start an emotional reply... but while I write succeed to 'level down' my emotional reaction and the tune of that reply... or decide to PM/mail first instead of posting it... in the end it turns out that apparently I had a too negative impression of the intentions of the member and what he actually wanted to say. I consider this a stimulating reward for my patience then ... and sort of a confirmation of what I said at the beginning of this post.

I prefer to (try not to) pay that much attention to the possible intention behind words... about possible hidden agenda's and such... or at least don't allow that sirens call as such assumptions tend to do more harm than good. Better try to get more proof by entering a decent debate with those members... so there'll evolve an interesting debate or... they'll expose themselves for what they really are... I'm pretty sure that hidden agenda will come out in due time... and when our arguments are valid, they'll make their words drawn in their own muddy water.
Btw... even then, it's hard to say from a forum whether someone is indeed a 'troll'... or just someone not capable for more/silly/(more)ignorant/dumb(er)...

This idea shouldn't stop us from debating... at all... but I it could bring the debate more down to earth... to people with needs and convictions trying to in all respect understand eachother and make up there minds (again) based on what they learn one another...

If we succeed to listen and understand what the other wants to say and desires as much as we want to be understood... and communicate about that instead of reacting to the (possibly inappropriate) battle dress (s)he might be wearing... and stigmatize them for what we think they are and want... many discussions would never happen or fade out much faster (and be more interesting to read).

Before I forget - I also don't agree with CrazyInvestor... but allow me to delegate or leave that debate to others .

Take care ;)
Hasse

ps. I know part of what I write is very idealistic... for many probably weird... or naive or ignorant... or not realistic as beyond people's abilities... but what I learnt from Non Violent Communication (o boy, if pips comes back... I don't know how much money I'll donate to organisations working on that... to me one of the most structural efforts to make this world a better place) makes me believe it can work. Being constantly aware of the thin line between reality and perception, facts and thoughts/desires/fears,... which exist on both sides (!)... even if this is a one sided effort... if we succeed to overcome them... maybe the others will follow... and it would do good (and as we learn, it will also influence other parts of our lives and environment). Anyway... maybe better had studied for becoming a preacher ... hereby I'll end my post ;).

pps To me, all this requires pretty more energy... it can be pretty hard and time consuming. BUT then I remind myself sometimes an idea from my physics classes... where it appeared to be a fundamental physical law that chaos is our basic natural state... and that every order incorporates and as such requires energy to be built and sustained. Further, there appear to be more stable energy levels where it may be hard to get but relatively easy to stay once you're there. So... no way around it... and we'll all continue failing and coming short again and again... but you may feel supported by our laws of physics that such effort serves order and can bring all to a higher level... ... a higher 'state' of being. (Nice end of story, isn't it?)

A lawyer will not be able to do anything at all during an ongoing government investigation. The only time lawers come into the piucture is when the evidence warrants a court case. This is when the material is given to the Prosecutor and the people accused seek legal advise.

peterben

Originally Posted by peterben

A lawyer will not be able to do anything at all during an ongoing government investigation. The only time lawers come into the piucture is when the evidence warrants a court case. This is when the material is given to the Prosecutor and the people accused seek legal advise.

peterben

This is true.As frustrating as the continual delays are, we must wait it out.

I suppose one day BNM will finish the investigation

One bright day... and meanwhile: look forward and move on. There's plenty of good work to do and good intentions to fulfill (like not hanging around in these kind of discussions so often - that's the hardest part - but they say it's like (other?) addictions: it's the hardest in the beginning , right?).
Take care,
Hasse (speaking for myself too of course)

Originally Posted by Dreamer

This is true.As frustrating as the continual delays are, we must wait it out.

I suppose one day BNM will finish the investigation

Originally Posted by peterben

A lawyer will not be able to do anything at all during an ongoing government investigation. The only time lawers come into the piucture is when the evidence warrants a court case. This is when the material is given to the Prosecutor and the people accused seek legal advise.

peterben

At first place and with all respect, God has nothing to do in this matter.

Some people are still ready to wait, wait till xmas, wait till next years easter, then it 'll be xmas 2007 again...

People we have been waiting for 11 months now and what are the results?

Did we get first hand (official BNM messages) information? No we didn't.

Just wake up! People have been exploited for decades, suffering and patiently hoping things would improve but it's the handfull of Bravehearts that founded the first union that changed life of millions for the better.

And still today, the cowards, skared ones and patient ones are still raping the benefits of it too.

What is there that we investors shouldn't know in the investigation of BNM?

WE are the first concerned! And not delivering info for the good progress of the investigation is a mountain of crap!

There is so much money involved in the Pips fund that tons of people are doing whatever they can to "get their piece of the cake" and hoping that a solution is never reached for US Pips investors.

Once a respected attorney and spokesman who represents us gets involved taking the right legal steps to find out what is happening with the money, things could change.

Yes I said could, because like mentioned earlier there is so much money involved that even a government could be tempted by it...

Doing nothing is the best thing never seeing the colour of our investments back.

Bruno