Thread: Why Hasn't Brian Started his Own Web site?

Originally Posted by hine

Yogi!...

This is your best post ever, thank you for your understanding!

To Style I would say: I can understand your anger or you being upset because of the attacks that keep creeping up now and then, especially from the cheerleaders that start attacking members that have a different view and opinion. (including namecalling and referring to trolls, this TG forum etc etc).

I have been a member of PI, and later PIPS since October 2003 and I will still argue, and I did argue on the original PIPS forum that I was not impressed with PIPS business practise and their management. Gary was a big joke!...unfortunately Bryan realised that too late I assume?....and guess what?....all the cult members and cheerleaders came forward and started their guriella warfare or quick ambush attack.
I knew I was right even at that time!....who told me that?....the answer was MY EXPERIENCE!...nothing more nothing less, smile!

I knew that the risk was high, and during my DD I found that the management was not willing to explain or open about their business model or business concept. (especially the security of AV and picpay). I never got an answer and decided to play my little investment and withdrawal game;..."money in and money out very quickly"...not even letting the funds remain in Available funds or picpay!...too high risk!...and to me it was a wise decision and good news!

It is interesting to observe the cheerleaders responses and their attitude towards PIPS, definitions like "brilliance", "out-of-box", "trust", "PIPS will be back".....the closest I get to a "dream world" and religious cult behavour.

To me PIPS is and was a total fiasco (when things go wrong. Really wrong. When you leave the normal realm of human error, fumble, mishap and mistake and enter the territory of really huge breakdowns) and failure!...

Healty debates and different mindset is actually bringing the world forward! ..and I am the first to admit it is not easy to remain balanced and keep the discussions on a straight line!

I do respect all members, their views and opinions including the cult members, and cheerleaders that gospel the PIPS music. However I do not respect those members that start throwing names as "troll and TG cult" at members that have different views. Who is right and who is wrong?....smile

hine

Spot on....

Originally Posted by Style

Yes I am talking to you. You are the worst one on ALL forums to attack anybody and everybody that dont see things your way. You constantly claim to "know" more than everybody else but when I get you in a PM or on MSN Messenger your story changes...........You tell me that you only tell them that you "know" things to just to get them fired up. What kind of trouble making BS is that? I have not turned agaisnt you and I am not playing any double face anything..............my patience has wore out and I am sick of the BS stories. I am a grown man and I have the intellegence to change my mind and opinion as facts are received and the facts are Bryan is playing games and the other fact is that YOU and your gang of cultist cheerleaders attack anybody that has an opinion that differs from yours. WELL GUESS WHAT PAL...........it wasnt YOUR money that I loaned to Bryan and PIPS..............it was MINE. If you dont give a shit what happens to the money you loaned them, then that is your damn ignorance.............if you dont care that you are being treated like a little puppet..........then thats your damn ignorance...........if you dont feel like Bryan is making a fool of you, then that is your damn ignorance..............if you think that just because I am very pissed off about the way we are being treated and the fact that I have the BALLS to stand up for what I believe in means I am anti-pips then so be it...........I dont give 2 shits what you think............I AM Pro-Pips whether you believe that or not and like I said I dont give a rats ass what you think.......BUT being Pro-Pips doesnt mean that I will let someone treat me like shit just because I want the program to succeed, because PAL it will NOT happen. I have not turned against you or anybody else for that matter, BUT I am sick and tired of watching you make a damn fool out of yourself everytime you attack anybody whose opinion differs just a little bit from yours..........newlife or is it blueshark or bluestar? Whoever you are............I dont give a shit and I dont give 2 shits what you think about me............do we understand each other?
NOW ...............YOU dont own me, you dont even know me so dont presume to act like you know anything about me..............and by GOD for damn sure dont EVER tell me what to do. Understand?
I have never called Bryan any names nor have I spread anything, that is another lie you have told, but I have said and I will say it again right now...........he IS playing BS games and he IS misleading us all. YOU might like the game playing, but I dont play games and I dont like anybody playing games with me. The ONLY way he would be ordered to keep his mouth shut about the investigation is if he was charged with something. I am NOT stupid.
NOW we can either choose to get along and just agree to disagree or you can jump my ass one more time and we can become bitter enemies just that fast! The choice is yours!
Now about what I "expose" to other forums............I "expose" the same thing everywhere I go.............and that is my opinion and the truth. I agree that doesnt seem to fit in well with you cultist cheerleaders, but oh well thats just how I am. Answer a couple of questions for me..............1) when is the last time you EVER heard of anybody that is only being investigated that was being told to keep their mouth shut about the investigation? UNLESS they were chargd with something? HMMMM. It dont happen. After you arrested and charged with something they tell you that you "Have the right to remain silent", but they dont usually force you to. 2) And when is the last time you ever heard of someone attorney's telling them to keep their mouth shut and dont say anything.........about something that is legitimate? HMMM. I guarentee you that the attorneys will tell you to keep your mouth shut IF they know you are guilty of something and they know if you talk you will hurt your case. But there isnt supposed to be a case now is there? Bryan hasnt been charged now has he? So WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON AND WHY THE SHUT MOUTH? Think about it people!
NOW GOODBYE and happy cultist ass kissing!

First I am not blueshark and bluestar either. See, you just proof not to be trusted.
I told you so to see if you will be able be man of word. I guess not.

I am glad now that I did not share anything with you , seeing that you are person capable switching flags as battle goes on.

Something inside was telling me that to be careful what to share with you.

On beginning of your exposure to forums you were presenting yourself as Pips supporter and anyone that said anything opposite you attack them. You were picking good points from "good" members.

Now you switch field and since info by Bryan is not good enough for you, you star bad mouth anyone that protect integrity and loyalty to Pips. Also you are after Bryan for revving to you so call "Truth".

With your current action you pick up opposition rebels as your support and that is your support crowd for now. I can see that you are very successful in that.

Well, us cheerleaders as you call us, are people of decency and good character that are not to be sold for bad propaganda. We trust Bryan and this forum is suppose to be for good Pipsters that are same minded, with strong feeling that Pips is still with us. Nobody is forcing you or others if you do not like way this forum is expressing itself.

You do not call people names and degrade them just because they do not think were you are. So bottom line is we will always have two sides of opinions.

You are fine to expose your views but not in level way you normally are doing.

People have rights to be treated as intelligent human being and with respect.

Now let's cut back and forth discussions, since leads no were.

Originally Posted by hine

I do respect all members, their views and opinions including the cult members, and cheerleaders that gospel the PIPS music. However I do not respect those members that start throwing names as "troll and TG cult" at members that have different views. Who is right and who is wrong?....smile

hine

let me see if I understand this correctly....
it's ok to call the positive thinking people 'cult members' and 'trolls....(apparently, by this example it is).
but it not ok to call the negative thinking people 'trolls' and 'TG cult'...

is that what he just said?
now I'm really confused.....

Originally Posted by champ

Yes he has...read his posts for the information you seek.

Bryan has stated that he cannot give any details until the investigation is over. Again, feel free to read over all of his posts to see exactly what he has already said about PIPS...

As mentioned previously, he has stated that an explanation would be given after the investigation.

So once the investigation is over then will Bryan be able to give "a little information" about PIPS. Hopefully this explanation is crystal clear...

champ

I've read that before, but there is NO way to Verify that it is actually Brian that is writing, it could be anyone

we all would believe it if it was coming from his Web Site

Originally Posted by ne469

I've read that before, but there is NO way to Verify that it is actually Brian that is writing, it could be anyone

we all would believe it if it was coming from his Web Site

It wouldn't matter to most of the naysayers who owned any particular site that the information is posted on. Even if Bryan's (this is the correct spelling by the way) name appeared in the registration information and he were posting the same information he's already posted, it wouldn't be accepted.

If the posturing, name-calling, and overall antagonistic nature of this "discussion" doesn't change, i.e. become more civil and respectful, I will close this thread and any other that picks up where this one leaves off. Tone it down and keep it polite and you can post your thoughts, positive or negative.

Originally Posted by ne469

I've read that before, but there is NO way to Verify that it is actually Brian that is writing, it could be anyone

we all would believe it if it was coming from his Web Site

Then the only proof for you will be the PIPS forum so you just have to wait until the PIPS website is up.

champ

Originally Posted by second mouse

let me see if I understand this correctly....
it's ok to call the positive thinking people 'cult members' and 'trolls....(apparently, by this example it is).
but it not ok to call the negative thinking people 'trolls' and 'TG cult'...

is that what he just said?
now I'm really confused.....

...to me there is an ocean of difference between a cult member/cheerleader and a TG-troll!...something I have seen being used here on this forum!

As I read in a post above, "this forum is suppose to be for good Pipsters that are same minded"....so what is a good Pipster?.....my reflection is that a GOOD Pipster is a member that is fighting for his or her opinion whether he or she is right or wrong!....a cult attitude and behavour, and again it is nothing wrong with that....except that some of us (non cult members) do have a problem with such wishful thinking!

My problem is to understand members that are acting and having very strong opinions, based on their dreams, wishes, feelings, BELIEFS, financial needs, community feelings, and unfortunately not based on facts;.... like "PIPS versus what is the norm in the financial investment community", and the simple fact that "PIPS is at payment default exceeding more than ONE year". Funds being frozen is a serious threat to survival of any company and especially a financial institution. My personal opinion is that BN would not have frozen PIPS or picpay funds unless there are some very good reasons, and I hope that we will all soon know!

hine

Deleted........................Newlife you arent worth my time or frustration!! You know the truth and so do I. Thats enough for me.

I understand that it makes some furious when others seem to rail against the things that are extremely important to them.

For some it may only take someone coming against the management, planning, communication, or lack thereof, of a person or organization that you stand behind 100%. For others, it may simply take someone attacking them for having and/or voicing their independent opinion.

The bottom line is that we all must give each other some lattitude, not attitude.

We have to bring RESPECT back to the table if we are going to be able to have any reasonable discourse. We don't have to like each other's position, but we should respect their right to have that opinion.

There hasn't been a lot of constructive conversation on this thread as of late due to the name calling and other screaming and hollering and vulgarity. It is not constructive for anyone to be snippy, snide, or otherwise just looking down their nose at someone else for whatever reason. It only makes them look bad.

For the cheerleaders, I agree that IMHO, BM will bring some version of P***
back. It will probably be better than ever, because BM has shown resiliency.
He can adapt with change and he seems to try really hard to make his dream live. However, he, just like the rest of us, has flaws. I'm not trying to be hard on him. It's just the truth. I support him in his endeavor 100%. When Kim came looking for emergency support for him, I tried to help and she seemed to be very appreciative. I appreciate that.

For the INDEPENDENT, I know that it gets your dander up to see a mere human worshipped. It kinda messes with me, too. I believe that it could actually cause more harm than good for people to set BM up on a pedestal.
God don't like anybody there but Himself, so like the tower of Babel, he could make everything fall apart. To not be able to vent about your frustration on the website that is almost inextricably linked to your area of frustration is sad. However, venting is one thing, disrespecting is another.

I have taken exceptiion to rich333 and everwise and others because it seemed as if they could not address someone that was not like-minded with any sort of civility. They had to be condescending, sarcastic and just plain uncouth.

It is evident that most of the confrontation seems to be coming from reasonably intelligent people. Please, lets act like we're in a social forum with our wives and children standing about. (There is a great cloud of witnesses)
Let's teach others, by example, the art of civility.

May His best be yours in 2006
Lloyd (mmfast)

Originally Posted by ne469

I'd really like to know why Brian hasn't put his own web site up, Informing us or his own forum??

I'd really like to know what is happening with Pips
even if it were a short web site.

wouldn't everyone like to know what's actually going on??

And why should he? Take away more precious time from what he is trying achieve? Re-explain for the millionth time what he has already explained? Exposed himself to trolls, scathing attacks from all corners of the search-and-destroy/kill-PIPS armies?

He has already taken the initial steps towards restoring the entire PIPS Group of Companies. He can't do anything, comment on the investigation, suggest anything to BNM, report on your monies, their whereabouts, the imagined ROLs - etc, etc,. Or have you forgotten that anything he says might jeoperdize everything, most importantly your money, that he is trying to recoup.

Read up on what he has posted here. He's got enough in his hands to bother with a website.

No, Bryan does not need to put up a personal website.