Thread: Updates on BM & PIPS Refund, Claims & Payouts

I,m sure BM has some ulterior motive behind this laid back attitude he is displaying
to the court. You could not place him in the stupid league for I think he is quite a clever chappie and just maybe he is working on the assumption/or knowledge, that Malaysian judges conduct their court affairs in not quite the same efficiency as some other countries.
He, it seems, is quite prepared to be banged up with his mouth closed, yet one phone call could bring him freedom and some professional legal aid, but to remain aloof from this kind of help makes you wonder what he can possibly gain.
A mistrial would serve and strengthen the other court case he is facing v BNM, but there again, professional help would have certainly made mincemeat of a poor DPP case and he could have all this behind him now.
I wonder what his game plan is??
Any theories guys?

He could probably regard the whole shambles as a BLUFF to his intelligence coz only he knows just what and where the $$$s are stacked or lodged at... thus, going along courageously, stiff lip with the game-plan as you put it, could well be his last or next strategy to simply wait it out regardless.... Interesting it would be by then.

This would then stir the stew even more at this slow snail pace for that day to arrive. WHEN then, is what many would like to know too....

BM has the money, he has it safe.
DPP/BNM know he has the money and know he has it safe.
BM knows DPP/BNM know he has the money and he has it safe.
DPP/BNM know BM knows that DPP/BNM know he has the money and he has it safe.
So it's a battle of wills between BM and the system. The winner gets the money.
Clear enough.

I don't think Malaysia is that backward a country to hold a person or persons for so long without a proper trial unless there's lots of money at stake. Of course if they have a poor Human Rights track record (not saying they do, I don't know) I suppose anything's possible.

hahaaa... thats a funny side to it...
Its like... the ABBA song, The Winner Takes It All....

what about the LOSERS who wants something back?? Will they ever get a hold of that cake... like layers of it... called **Kway Lapis?

There must be a stake to this... and its still looming in the chambers of the courts...for sure!

** Kway Lapis = A local Peranakan baked cake

Here is another recent Mail Exchange

Hi Oriente22,


I'm sorry if you felt that way... abt my reply being offensive... which is NOT. It is my pleasure if it can help you understand our true position. Do not treat our exchange as being personal, on the contrary, it is to state the true nature we are all going through, no one is targeted personally, only those who feel as such, should ask themselves if they have been true to themselves... we don't need to pick them out, those concerned can do a better job at evaluating their own intentions.


Try being in our shoes, we had and have been confronting ALL KINDS of insinuationg and ridiculous postings just to obtain news coverage and we have also been receiving, more than can be counted, from mails by our Donors to recognise only those that are genuine donors that want to commit and support... unconditionally if need be.


Whatever your position may be, it is not for us to judge... it certainly IS NOT.


If you feel hurt or intimidated and/or offended, we cannot help it but hope you are not and simply understand what we have been putting up and EVERYONE, including you gets the same fair treatment... no party or siding when addressing the trial coverage or seeking genuine support to the cause.


Alright, you may have misunderstood which can happen, so and as always, we are not surprised nor have any qualms or difficulty at recognising yr awkward feelings.


If you have already visited the links and read fully, YES, your donation was insufficient to qualify simply because, to qualify for receiving the updates by email, you have to be in the HDG listing first & foremost.


To be in the Honorary Donor Group, you first need to show that you understood and managed to comply with what is expected of you... failing them, which is rather straightforward and open, you would then show to us, you are among the many few that have tried to be funny and prepared to play pranky with ROLClub all along.


A small donation sum is not evidence of who or what you are... in these days with forums... we get many people who says they are one thing but are actually... a thousand different face altogether!!!


So, to accept and approve a person who, like many that are now in the HDG list, you only need to show you are genuine and with that, show us or be prepared to be transparant with us and those criteria are set up to give you that opportunity to prove that you are, nothing less.


We did not stipulate you have to donate monthly, nor yearly or repeatedly... but with insufficient funds, you can understand that you will have a hard time securing your goals wouldn't it? ROLClub is not a Charity movement either.


We have a goal and target of $5000 but that was something of a mark that is difficult to achieve and primarrilly, it has been obbserved and was well expressed privately, from Donors who had indeed preferred to be or stayed private with their donations and be entitled to their coverage for what they have and will donate to obtain it, within their scope and affordability.


We have in this case, set a minimum of $11,50 incl. PayPal's fees to maintain this which is meant only for HDG listed members.


Your amount fell short and you also fail to even approve us authorizing ROLCub to email you at a given email address... if you found that difficult to compromise (we are aware that it is with mischievous members /trollers etc), then what can we say about you? Nothing but to thank you and thats it!! if it was a game, it was a shortlived fun for you or for any other person for that matter, (there is nothing personal here), so don't misconstrue this sentence as being one reply against you.


We stand by our actions too and move on and harbor no further thoughts or malice against you personally.... we have no time to focus for that.


Some thought, since it mentioned a minimum..."aaah, I can do that too and lets give them easy hell for all the fun... what is a minimum amount like $11,50 to have cheap fun causing havoc to all those in that ROLClub following the trial??? Lets give them a run for their money...yeah..."


We have made it difficult for these whackos and useless bums since we have implemented new criteria rendering them effectively muted, so, if you feel like one of them... WE just DON'T know can we and we won't bother to check you up either... the effectiveness has already been proving itself & we just move on.


Among the HDG listing, we have many who are pro Bryan and extreme anti against the Marsdens. We have accommodated both divides as this coverage is not about who is right or wrong with their views... it is about successfully covering the Trial and funds are needed for it, period.


Some thought, donating $20 should last till the end of mankind... well, we leave them to that warped mindset. We have no time either to bring them to their senses on such i d i o tic perception.


Hence, I leave it to you to decide, but I do recommend you, to fully understand the posts in the threads and view it from a serious position and consider it as a service that requires funding, and if you think a one time donation should do the trick... we leave that decision to you too, that is your right as we have ours and for the Funding to move on yet again.


Adequate funds by those who have supported and keeps supporting with a full open mind will have their coverage met... and easily for we have the current listed HDGers who has shown no difficulty in helping the cause. Some among them have very little command of the English language but understood perfectly well... the bottomline being, to support ROLClub & Batty in getting the trial covered effectively and continuously till today.


I hope this helps you understand now... I will have our exchange posted, to save us explaining to any other that potentially share your similar (questionable) disposition.



Regards,

The Admins.


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From: Oriente22
Subject: Re: The Marsdens May Trial for....HDGers(B)
To: yogibrood
Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:17 AM


I'm sorry, but your email is somewhat offensive. That you are assuming that I somehow chose to ignore some other email you wrote. I do not recall receiving any other email or update from you except that you received my donation. I think because of the language barrier, your emails are somewhat hard to understand. That does not mean I am ignoring them. From what I understood, and I guess I may have misinterpreted it, the donation was made and then I would be entitled to be on a mailing list for updates. It was not made clear to me that it was necessary to make repeate donations. So are you saying there is a yearly donation, or a minimum that I did not meet?

There was no malevolent intent with my donation. I am simply an investor trying to find the truth. I sincerely felt I had abided by the requirement and am surprised at your negative response to me, as if I am trying to do something unkind or waste your time. I just want to know what I need to do to obtain updates and I do appreciate your time. Thanks very much.

1385 days in jail and we're none the wiser

Indeed it is and that's the unfortunate reality it is till today... being beyond any one's grasp or control!!!

Just how long shall this continue, beats us all... I'm sure the Marsdens would have preferred the option to be transferred & tried across the Causeway, i.e. in neighboring Singapore. Just like the other Brit, Nick Leeson and it would have been over by mid 2007.

A changed man and a leading figure within his current community in Ireland I believe. Will we see a similarity when Bryan gets released eventually?

Originally Posted by flockstar

1385 days in jail and we're none the wiser

I believe that we are "more the wiser" when it comes to being taken.
I thank many individuals that stepped up and started to reveal the truth for what it was. (Including Barry James..lol)
Many of us hopped aboard that train that led to the promises before checking the rails that led to those promises, only to find that we had missing rails.
We all know what happens when we board a train that has missing rails now right? Derailment maybe?

Unfortunately, some began to to shout "no rails ahead" and they were labeled to be "negative".

Oh, the memories!

Despite the derailment,the PIPS train was a fantastic ride at the time. One big happy family.

Oh the memories! Shame it turned out to be one big (fit word that suits you) LOL.

Dont you find the net is littered with similar failings?
Even today, if you dont get into a programme early enough where you can profit, the late starters always seem to be the losers. There are one or two exceptions, but finding them is like looking for gold amongst iron pyrites....you need more than a little luck.
A large proportion of PIPs early starters were granfathered in when BMs earllier programme, the PI Master Matrix floundered due to the high cost of becoming a new member.
But PIPs, in its original form, was launched months before it went public and was only on offer to members of the MM.
You could say then that those early starters gained the most, right and proper too, since many lost out big time with high costs and little return in the Master Matrix. The PIPs account was a freebie, and if you were going to turn down that kind of offer when all you had to do was sit back and let funds compound....I never read on the forum of anyone doing so.
There are plenty of theories for the failure of PIPs and if indeed it was a ponzi scheme. We have yet, or may never know, the full truth.
One thing is for certain. Once the call went out that gold had been found fever sent some people into the madness zone. Would you take out a mortgage on your house to invest in a goldrush? A bank loan, carefully nutured savings, or sell your wife and kids into slavery just to grab a share. Crazy yep, but thats how some folk reacted to that get rich quick smell.
Then the scavengers and thieves moved in for easy pickings and the goldfield became a ploughed mudhole with later arrivals accusing early pickers of stealing all the gold.
Nonsense I know, but you cant cure a fever with talk. You cant give your dinner to the last in the queue if there is not enough food. You cannot walk blindly into unknown darkness without providing yourself with some light.
So if you lost money in PIPs I am sorry for you. I did not recruit you, I did not tell you wonderful stories of wealth and easy pickings. I did not say trust me.
I did say take care with your money, be careful where you invest, start small and play with profit. Used you head and ignore your heart for it is easy to be foolish once and twice wise.