What was the actual question or whatever it was that prompted BM to have allegedly responded with > I have lost everything < ?
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What was the actual question or whatever it was that prompted BM to have allegedly responded with > I have lost everything < ?
An intelligent (or even a stupid) person would answer: ...... "I did not screw you (members) and I have lost it all"!...
However if it was a scam (highly likely) and I wanted to hide the fact that I put a significat amout of members money in an individual (Marsdens) offshore account (again highly likely a Marsden option), I would still argue the Marsden way.
It all boils down to a "survival" trick!
How can you argue like you do?...and still protect a master of ConMan?
hine
Now that is funny, chin-lee (as you prefer to be called now),
Owen stated Bryan's exact words and you are the one that stated Bryan's
words differently. Who twisted Bryan's statement??
Why is it that when someone states Bryan's exact words you, and others,
try to avoid it by either becoming personal with the poster, or by ignoring
the statement altogether?
Are you changing the slogan. "If it ain't from Bryan, it ain't so" to "If it is
from Bryan it ain't so"? Hmmm....might just fit, in some instances!
For your information Newlife.
FACT !Quote:
Marsden told Sessions Court judge Akhtar Tahir: “I have lost everything. There is nothing to say at this stage.”
Apparently obvious to note as the 24th approaches, one (CL or NL or whichever...) or more "elsewhere in other secret forum hideouts" continues the "BM = beautifuly misconstrued" theory of one's own version... and it must be engrained by now within these selected herd of well wishers that stands on the edge of the cliff...
I just wonder, when the gauntlet is finally sent crashing to the floor, whether these herd would slyly make the turn around and head inwards rather than take the finally plunge and we would have heard the last of them...:rolleyes:
YB. - it is tiring to reason with a wailing wall that sheds crocodile tears....:biggrin:
I Beleive Bryan and Sharon will be cleared of "Money Laundering" charges. The Reason Is that in the Absense of Charges Against Persons Who Earned Money from " Illegal or Unlawful" activities, How the Prosecutors Can Establish or Substantiate the Crime of "Money Laundering" Against the Alleged Recipients( the Couple). For example, in a "Graft Charge" case, the Recipient Can Not Be Found Guilty Unless The "Giver" Is Identified and also Charged. Simply, It Is Illogical To Me.
pinetree
I Beleive Bryan and Sharon will be cleared of "Money Laundering" charges. The Reason Is that in the Absense of Charges Against Persons Who Earned Money from " Illegal or Unlawful" activities, How the Prosecutors Can Establish or Substantiate the Crime of "Money Laundering" Against the Alleged Recipients( the Couple). For example, in a "Graft Charge" case, the Recipient Can Not Be Found Guilty Unless The "Giver" Is Identified and also Charged. Simply, It Is Illogical To Me.
pinetree
The charges relate to a transfer of monies from the Newmark account into the private accounts of Mr. and Mrs. Marsden.
What is amazing is that the fact that Bryan and Sharon were transferring Pic Pay monies, by the millions apparently, into their own accounts raises no alarms or questioning of Bryan's and Sharon's intentions among'st the cheerbots.
Personally I see this as a lot worse than just, "money laundering", since all this money belonged to the account holders of Pic Pay, was not being invested , and was suppose be 100% guaranteed by the now infamous Gold in Australia..
This is what I call common sense. Thanks Pinetree for intelligent post. Why is here that few had right to attack but others can't express their own views.?
You can laugh and hate as much you want, but you can't hide truth.
Old sayings : "Clean own doorsteps first before commenting others".
I am just looking for fair judgment statement and if that is properly viewed than is no doubt that final conclusion will be positive.
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Interesting,
What don't you understand about the proof presented that Bryan was draining PIPS accounts into his own personal accounts. This is why there is no way he will ever be found innocent, so your statement of substantiating money laundering is so off base. HE was BOTH, the GIVER as well as the RECIPRIENT, so how do you answer this? There is no other who must also be charged, they have both the crooks dead to rights, and no matter what you hope or pray for, he is not going to be found innocent, and you can take that to the bank.
Good luck to all, Mike
That is nothing to do with money laundering, in my opinion. It is rather possible "embezzelment". However, the Prosecutors, I understand, did not file for any "missappropriation" or "embezzelement" charges. To Me, It is a very strange case. It looks like BNN investigation started under some kind of outside pressure without any Hard Evidences of wrongdoings by the Couple.
pinetre
We may be surprised to find out where and what Bryan did with the money...
Bringing charges like those that were brought pretty much forces Bryans hand and will put him in a position to have to expose things that were not disclosed to others involved,which could have been one of the major mis-management issues.(we will see soon)
I am waiting anxiously as many others are & remain hopeful...within reason...
I do think there will be some surprises for all...on both sides of the issue.
Thanks,I appreciate the viewpoints of all.
Mike
Interesting idea - BM will be forced in court to explain all money movements. Whilst merely under investigation he presumably is not under any legal pressure to actually do that.
Might take a bit of explaining - especially as the prosecution have all the records!
Yea...I can imagine Bryan on the hot seat fumbling for answers like Jim Belushi in Blues Brothers where he's b.s'in his ex-Fiancé about why he didn't show up for the wedding. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if this "mention" turns out to be nothing but to "mention" a new date for yet another "mention." :wacko:
thelema
Thelema - I suspect you might be right. I don't think the prosecution will be in any hurry and Bank Negara are still investigating Pips. They'll be happy to take their time to prepare a case. Meanwhile, the suspects are under lock and key and fifty plus charges are going to take some arguing.
Nice to see that we pipsters can have a part of one thread to post about positive support for a "still innocent" man and his wife.
Yogi thanks for replacing "cleared" with "innocent" as you are right he is still innocent... but as for the allowing the negative venting in this thread... well I guess I can't expect impartiality from everyone even if their role is supposed to be "impartial" including the BNM.
I hope you all don't hang yourselves because of the guilt when we find the charges are trumped up and have no grounds after all.
It really is something to see the incredible effort the destructive forces put into discrediting a person who at present is only suspected by BNM (who may not be impatial either... given the influence of Governments trying to stop people moving personal money into investments offshore).
Judged and looking for a hanging before the jury is even seated and any evidence is heard is as bad as any supporter of Bryan could be even if he was a scammer.
Remember... most civilized nations believe 10 guilty people should go free before 1 innocent person is wrongfully found guilty. I guess greed effects people in many ways.
Maybe it is just a reaction from those who cannot read "do not invest more than you can afford". If ""you"" over invested it is not Bryan's fault. If you are suffering from money frozen in pips case it is YOUR OWN FAULT not Bryan or BNM as they are just doing their best, so accept your responsible for what you invest anywhere even if its in Enron.
I wish for the return of pips so all can profit.
Glad this group of negative people are not my peers
To those posting positive best of all to you.:beer:
I think the above quote is more aptly suited. Yes, rather 10 guilty men go free than let one innocent man hang. But I just want to ask this. Do you really believe the "Do not invest more than you can afford" line? How much did you invest? Was it all you can afford? Did you let it roll?
Do you know how many people couldn't afford at all yet invested in PIPS? He took their last cent. What about these people? There is no action without reaction, is that right? Can't light a match without striking it and can't have fire without a flame first. What was the catalyst? For some it was friends testimony, BM's own promises and for me a overzealous relative. Who by the way, sponsored me in.
First with PIPS then with HaLotto and then thru deception 10x5. Guilty or otherwise, as you say it is for the courts to decide but innocent? Hardly.
So don't go civillised nation on us. If he was "innocent and civil and decent" he would have :-
1. Stopped accepting deposits when he couldn't pay out.
2. Giving us excuses, calling us ungrateful and greedy.
3. He would have kept in touch.
4. Start another program under false pretenses.
5. Shifting blame of his shortcomings and failures.
Need I list more of his virtues? But since this is a "positive" thread. I really hope BM are found not guilty. I really do because innocent you sure heck ain't.
theBat$
well, Bat$, I was about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it :wink: especially #1, BM was really crazy to keep on accepting new funds while couldn't pay existing members for nearly a whole year, what made him think he wouldn't get into trouble by doing that?
and when innocent members asking for where their money were, they got called trolls and trouble makers, even the CEO did that with foul language once in a while, well, what the word troll got to do with serious businesses anyway? it was created by a bunch of narrow minded cheerleaders, who are all pathological liars in my opinion.
I am glad when I was a supportive member, a clueless one now I am thinking back, I never insulted anyone, especially never used the word troll to describe people.
to me, Bryan Mardsen is deserved to be mocked in a big way for what he over-promised us.
well, since for some people who still believe they will one day profit from Pips, then I have to agree greed does effect people in many many ways :bow:
"do not invest more than you can afford"
Thats fair enough,but what about
"Members funds are secured and backed by gold in our storage facilities in Australia "?
Strange how this statement on picpay is never included when the famous "do not invest" is mentioned.
Nor is the insurance policy - or did the bank freeze that???????????????
And the "It'll take a global financial meltdown before Pips fails" line.
This is so TRUE... The cheerbots always seem want to blame it on the victims and completely ignore the fact that PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMANT.
Bryan was caught stealing millions of account holders money from this supposed BACKED BY GOLD 100% GAURANTEED BANK.......
Please, Cheerbots say this 10 times and maybe it will sink in...
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
PIC PAY WAS NOT AN INVESTMENT
NO ONE'S MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT RISK.......PERIOD
Again something the cheerbots seem to conveniently forget. That one's principal investment was , "Insured". Any loss was only supposed to be on future earnings only.. That was the risk factor according to Bryan.
I still find it hard to believe that more charges of fraud and embezzlement haven't been brought yet... Unless Bryan has this policy,a few hundred million in Gold sitting in Australia, and three or 4 billion earning 1.8% a day to back up his, "Investment", vehicle called Pips it seems to me to be a slam dunk prosecution..
Of course if Bryan does come to court and has the insurance policy, proof the gold exists, and can prove he made 1.8% a day I will become a cheerbot myself....and Owen you could right a new book, "The lie that became True!!!"
Don't think I be seeing that title at the book store anytime soon....
Put it this way - my publishers have not applied for an ISBN number for that title!
I suspect more charges will follow. As I often point out, Bank Negara have not completed their investigation of Pips. These charges involve only the Marsdens and their Newmark operation.
Ooh look, I'm a Moderator now... best you lot be on your best behaviour!
Cheers Dreamer, They tell me the warm feeling is payment enough...
“There are other factors in this as well, the fact being that Millions of dollars in cc transactions went through and to date neither eCommerce Services UK nor Ectrust has paid one cent of those funds to pips”
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“This was not about chargebacks or retention money it was just non-payment by the processors”
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BM posted those comments just a few months ago. I think quite a few members may have missed them as BM briefly popped in to the lengthy, Humble Request thread.
Assuming the above statements by BM are indeed accurate, will he be permitted to present the situation as part of his deffence? And will the court order that the credit card processors release the withheld funds?