I think he was just trying to say that THE BIG lies are sometimes more easily believed by the masses than the small ones.
Not that Bryan was Hitler, Hitler just said it.
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This notion that because BM did not run, when he could have, somehow makes PIPS legitimate is a real puzzling one, but remember: Blake Prater didn't run, and he just plead guilty to running a Ponzi and sentencing is set for January 17; the people behind Alfinsa didn't run, and they took in close to $5 Billion estimated; Fred Lewis, who only got 150 Million from his scam, didn't run and he is awaiting trial (bet he cops a plea); Charis Johnson of 12DP didn't run, and she is in jail awaiting trial; and JTL (Just The Lord) took in $500 Million, and he didn't run and is in jail awaiting trial. Now I could go on and list a whole bunch of scam artists who took in a lot of money and didn't run. Not sure why, but just because you didn't run, which BM likes to claim makes him not guilty of anything, doesn't make you not guilty.
I have my theories as to why they don't run, but they are just that theories. Only they know why.
Well 12DP was still paying people when it got stopped. Charis had no need to run really, as there were no complaints from her users. Everyone was paid as promised. Can't comment on the others, though.
Exactly,
I have often said it has to be the act of a pathological liar, for nothing else makes sense. I looked him right in the eye and asked specific questions, and he never looked to the side, he never changed blinking sequence, he showed none of the indications almost all liars demostrate. I have to conclude, he was at the stage where he believed all that he ****ed as the truth. When I think back, in the early days he would listen to advice from members, but as each month went by, he got more and more billigerant when questioned, which is a sign of progressive illness. There really is no other excuse for doing what he did, he is sick.
Happy Holiday Season to all, Mike
Good point,
Charis had a nice little delayed payout scenario, so she could keep just ahead enough ahead not to come up short on new money coming in. As long as you have that delay calculated in, and it is consistant, then a pyramid could essentially continue forever. When you have a helter skelter system like PIPS, with no idea of who or how many will make withdrawals at any given time, there is potential for cash flow shortages.
I must say, Charis was stupid smart, and having seen the numbers taken in, $500,000,000.00, I must say, this was one of the best scams I have ever seen. If not for StormPay strangling cashflow with there games, I would suspect she would still be up and running. She built a big house, so I am sure she figured the same thing, but bottom line is this, no complaints will usually not get any notice by authorities, but with all the restrictions on currency movement these days, a deal like hers will get hit on money laundering sooner or later.
Happy Holiday Season to all, Mike
Charis Johnson is in jail? Wow, didnt know.
I don't think she is in jail yet, but she was cooperating with authorites was last I heard, so those who did make money may be getting contacted by receiver shortly as they milk this one for all its worth, after all, this is what gov. authorities do, and they do it very effectively to insure the losers get as little as possible back, while receiver gets the majority. (g)
Happy Holiday Season to all, Mike
Who is Charis Johnson?
Run? I don't think he ever thought he would have to.
What kept me in believing in Pips longer than I should have was the fact that there was an office, there were REAL employees, with whom I talked too several times, I got paid real money, and Bryan was so open and available, traveling and meeting with us all, and was especially available in the forum....
Who would do all this if what he said he was doing was not true? He would have to be an i.d.i.ot, I thought.
His actions were i.d.i.otic but I don't think he was an i.d.i.ot, just someone with a severe mental disorder, a pathological liar, he loved being the King and would say anything to perpetuate his status, when caught in one lie would make up ten more to cover his tracks, and believe them all as he was saying them.
These people probably all loved the adoration they were receiving, the nearly deity status they achieved and this allowed them to convinced them selfs that their lies were somehow true.
A permissible theory that can certainly allign the longterm strategy that also needs time to be played out... the pawns ... being the Pioneers in this chess are the pions for his goals to gain but ironically, as openly played as it then appeared with his unshameful, charismatic appearances, he got checked by the very mates he knighted them onto... YesssZ... BN.:biggrin:
He also underestimated the Law of that country....remember, when Dr Mahathir was still in power, it was a rosy field for anyone operating & ascerting businesses under that previous Govt, were confident about getting away easily...paying and presenting lavishly to appease...its a pretty convincing game really...all part of the strategy to be played out with time....:bow:
YB...cheers for more theories to surface...by all means..we have lots of time relishing our thoughts on the possibilities...ANYTHING...just anything and to confirm his sanity and not otherwise, for Bryan was fully aware of his deeds.!:beer:
Want to clarify when I said Charis Johnson was in jail. I implied she still was, but she was arrested, booked, and then after a night in jail posted bond and is out on bail. Sorry for the confusion. I was short on time, and didn't read before posting to correct my statement.
Charis Johnson made a deal with the government and gets a monthly allowance along with her Lawyers fee's paid.As Mike said,the receivers are milking the $50 million funds as they attempt to work out meagre repayments.
Indeed it will end up with that option for a choice his pro deo solicitor will urge him to do however then, neither can he run any further from the truth now envelopping his case, both within and outside the courts with ex-Pipsters especially, anxiously seeking confirmation about the truth, the whole truth (if ever) and nothing but the TRUTH!
The ball is actually and irrefutably, in his court!
He is in a "dungeon" carved out of his own vision and making.:noserious
That would suck wouldn't it...the only thing worse would be if all his sentences are concurrent and gets out on time served.... If that happens it will be open season for all future scammers, who will have no fear of getting caught...
Honestly, should it be concurrent, it brings to closure however way one views it which is what "most" are seeking and certainly, most will be contented as justice is carried out and it really doesn't matter how long his time is served, IT is a penalty that befits his deeds according to that law of the country and one other thing, in view of his health and age heading into possible deterioration (unless he miraculously kick off smoking serving time...) he may not last long and I for one will still forgive his actions even though I lost substantially with Pi Inc.
We won't become any richer or better with the desire to see him perish as some would wish for.... it is not in most of us to harbour that grief of joy, on the contrary and its much more a relief that the scheme gets deterred so others will not fall easily into similar ones once this become widely publicized when the case is closed and judgement is sentenced!
YB... cheers ...:beer: and BE MERRY DESPITE THE TWO YEARS of no payouts and none to expect anymore...:ro_emote:
True, what he gets is what he gets and is justice in the country he is charged in, I think most want to hear from Bryan, him admitting what he has done, and hoping for a sentence longer than five years something that would make future scammers at least think before committing their crimes, like Troy Bank and Swiss Cash seem to be doing.
There may well be multiple reasons why pips collapsed.Apart from lack of investments,the biggest contributory factor must have been exchanges.These dried the pips cash flow up completely.
Needless to say, exchanges accelerated when withdrawals came to an almost full stop .Hopefully all the underlying reasons will be made apparent to us one day.
Just a few thoughts to ponder :wink:
Looks like another one has been caught in the dragnet:
http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=103&pg=456&ac=533
Something that I've been singing. :biggrin:Quote:
The Christmas Song ala PIPS
Unpaid bills keep getting higher
The creditor banging at your door
Your bank account showing less than a fiver
and your piggy banks already broke...
Everybody knows the trial will be very slow
And the outcome may not be bright
Tiny tots with their eyes all aglow
Will find it hard to sleep tonight
They don't know that "Santa's" locked away
He's load of promises and goodies all a stray
And ev'ry rc members is gonna spy
To see if BM really told the truth or a lie
And so I'm offering this simple phrase
To all of the members and the mods too
Although it's been said many times, many ways
"Be patient and Merry Christmas to you"
theBat$
Link to the midi - Click and Sing a long
http://members.aol.com/minngirl1/xmasmidi/chestnut.mid
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YB... cheers ...:beer: and BE MERRY DESPITE THE TWO YEARS of no payouts and none to expect anymore...QUOTE]
bummer:wacko: :wacko:
[QUOTE=gray;150777]Hmmm... that's a grey outlook...hehe...:biggrin: :noserious
On the contrary Gray, I was expressing, rightfully on behalf of those that were, and have seen payments with joy, but yours truly was not fortunate ....and that is owed to my having set it at 100% since May 2004 when the 1st acct started for a firm, solid 2 years straight!!!
Hence, I hold no grudge on that score and neither personally on any behind the counter but the loot on my boodle of little past the $25K (after Euro conversion) is ......:mad:
:cheer: That too is now as GOOD as GONE....and so, lets be merry instead... for crying over spilled milk ain't making us any happier or richer, life has to move forward and stay positive on track/focus to stay alive for longevity from other resources still available out there! :ro_emote:
YB. - :beer: cheers and be merry and take a front row seat and enjoy Sarah's La Luna concert...click below...:cheers:
25 grand at 100% You were one rich beast then......on paper, your screen must of looked great each morning when you were checking your back office.... I am just so glad I didn't share my investment with any friends or family...
Aaah yes, but focus NOT the sum of mine as anything but meagre to many hundreds of PIPsters who vested far more!
As to hauling in friends and family and still remaining far from being foes.... it must be noted that when you embark on that trusted task, you were also expected to be as transparant as possible both for your hide as well as by their decision to undertake whatever risk they "solely" decide for themselves!
Failing that, you may have emulated a weebit of Bryans tactful deceit.... and THAT may indeed end up having foes instead!:fryingpan
I replaced that description which I was'nt particularly in agreement, but a brutal beast with men (and only ladies were always treated like butterflies), I once was, that is not a secret nor a shame I enjoyed back then!:biggrin:
YB. - Cheers and a slow boat to Prosperity is also a good way out for most...:beer:
Merry Christmas in your coming Festive Weeks
Didn't know you told anyone about pips wasn't being critical. Most who did , did it honestly thinking they were sharing something that would help others. Only a few were mini Bryan's and as guilty, but not many.
I am just glad I didn't share at all with anyone, now, even though I wanted to then.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Hi all,
May the PIPS Saga end soon...
Wishing ALL a very Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2007!!!
Stay Cool all the way.....
I just want to say a few things. I was reading through these latest posts, and I am not sure where I read about losing hopes and dreams over the holidays. I gifted my best friends via pips back when...It gave them hope and security. This past week my best friend lost her sister to brain cancer and her husband(the two I gifted)just found out on Monday Dec 18th that he is not going to be placed on our Canadian Liver Transplant List. He has a liver disease, and is now dying. I am going to their place to cook a Turkey dinner but merry it isn't. When I watch the news and see what 'money' can get you and what you can get away with...I feel for my friends. They have nothing, no money and no hope. He is on a small disablity fund which covers only the rent...I do not care at this point about Bryan and his three meals and bed. I am sorry I am usually just a reader here, but I guess in my powerlessness to help friends I have known for over twenty years, I needed to vent. May God Bless us all and keep us warm, fed and healthy.
Debbie
Well put Debbie,
Yes, I did the same thing, and I agree, the hopes and dreams of fiancial freedom was far more devestating for some than others, as you pointed out, several have died, and I suspect had given up hopes and dreams, for our state of mind does have an impact on our health and well being.
I am sorry to hear of your loss and the loss of hopes and dreams, I know everyone here feels the same deep down inside. Losing money to a scammer is one thing, but to drag peoples hopes and dreams out with more lies is just plain cruel, and that is what Bryan is guilty of, no matter what the legal decision will be, he is the worse kind of guilty to steal human dignity while always promising we will have it by holidays.
He played with peoples emotions like no one else I have ever encountered and hope I never see again. Again, I am so sorry to hear of your loss, and impending health issues of another you tried to help. I hope you can get through it and a brighter future for all of us with similar pains of guilt for not being able to help those we promised, and I know there are many of us who are in the same position and have suffered for it.
Happy Holiday Season to all, Mike
THIS IS JUST WONDERFUL.... WATCHING SO MANY TRYING TO BURN BRYAN AT THE STAKE AND HE IS STILL:
INNOCENT "BY LAW"
:banana: :thumbsup:
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL AND LOVE TO BRYAN AND SHARON:smiley:
PATIENTLY WAITING FOR COURT BS TO END SO PIPS CAN RETURN!!!::banana: :party:
Sorry about the liver problem but Bryan has nothing to do with your liver problem and if "you made a bad investment... its "YOUR" fault... so point the blame where it is due."
ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR "YOUR" DECISIONS
BM ran Pips & controlled it as much as he could. Agreed?
He stated that Pips was licensed in many countries, had a gold storage facility in Australia to back up Picpay, was internally low risk, had a starting fund of $700,000,000, etc.
Hands up who still believes all of this?
Thank you, pips believer for calling it a "bad investment". Not sure why you want it to return then, though?
"ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR "YOUR" DECISIONS" And Bryan & Sharon have been facing their responsibility for several months now behind bars. Let's see if this is a long term arrangement.