Thread: Nov 24 for re-mention of BM's case

Originally Posted by Owen Platt

No, Dreamer. No one would believe me!

I think that most actually knew you where right and that Bryan was not what he represented him self and Pips and Pic Pay to be. It is just that the, "devoted", the "positives" were so vocal en-mass they seemed like the majority and many others believing you were right were actualy hoping you were wrong..... They simply said nothing.
I believe these devotees or positives did almost as much damage, causing many more people to suffer losses by perpetuating this ponzi as did Bryan.

None will be charged, nor will any of them even feel they did anything wrong....this is to me a crime...

Originally Posted by boatman

I think that most actually knew you where right and that Bryan was not what he represented him self and Pips and Pic Pay to be. It is just that the, "devoted", the "positives" were so vocal en-mass they seemed like the majority and many others believing you were right were actualy hoping you were wrong..... They simply said nothing.
I believe these devotees or positives did almost as much damage, causing many more people to suffer losses by perpetuating this ponzi as did Bryan.

None will be charged, nor will any of them even feel they did anything wrong....this is to me a crime...

You can't blame anyone for hoping I was wrong, but I agree that many, by promoting false hopes, did a lot of unneccessary harm.

24th has come and gone, yet its importance must have been eclispse by recent happenings. I've been keeping and eye out for the trial news on BM. Like a squirrel frantically searching for nuts on approaching iceage. But seems like the biggest story was still :-

1. 47mil chip heist
2. Murder of Mongolian Model
3. Politics

Today (11/25) I went to check the hardcopy of the NST and the Star, found no mention of the trial.... ok. I will scoure for more info.

theBat$ - doing what needs to be done.

Originally Posted by boatman

I think that most actually knew you where right and that Bryan was not what he represented him self and Pips and Pic Pay to be. It is just that the, "devoted", the "positives" were so vocal en-mass they seemed like the majority and many others believing you were right were actualy hoping you were wrong..... They simply said nothing.
I believe these devotees or positives did almost as much damage, causing many more people to suffer losses by perpetuating this ponzi as did Bryan.

None will be charged, nor will any of them even feel they did anything wrong....this is to me a crime...

LoL, that's why they are so devoted to the end, as they are very positive they won't be charged with anything if things go wrong, in their minds, they probably say it to themselves everyday that so what if it's a scam, no one even know my face.

anyone with a bit sense of responsibility would have stopped encouraging people to believe BM by now, I understand I don't know the outcome myself, but common sense tell me it is totally harmful to oneself to keep on believing in a guy like BM, not to mention keep on encouraging people to do so.

at this stage, it is up to BM himself to prove to us he is innocent, which I highly doubt he can, he once said Pips can last at least 25 years, well, I think he might get at the very least 25 years in jail in stead.

I´m just trying to remember what Brian is being charged with after all of this microscopic scrutiny by BNM.

Was it FRAUD ?

Was it theft or misappropriation of funds ?

or has been charged with Money Laundering because he never did his DD.

He stupidly accepted payments from people or organisations without doing the needed DD first ?

It appears he should actually be charged with stupidity......but of course that´s not really a crime is it ? ( as is evident by some posts here )

I cannot believe all of the back stabbing that has occurred since his arrest.

Once some realized that their dreams had been shattered it seems a scape goat was needed to be slaughtered, and Brian had set himself up for the job.

I have just read through the last 10 pages and it is sad how many people attack Brian so vehemently based mostly on hearsay.

It´s like a snowball that gets bigger and bigger as it´s rolled along.

One attack leads to another, usually they are personal attacks without facts.

Or what little facts are actually known ( and they are few ) are twisted and expanded upon until they fit the attackers agenda.

We´ll know the truth when the results are in after the court case, until then I guess we´ll be getting more of the same here.

I don´t know what BNM has done with all of the assets or how much will be left after they have picked them clean to cover their expenses,but I do believe they will make sure that PIPs will never get off the ground again.

To many ordinary people were going to be removed from the work place, and that´s not acceptable to any government, especially in the land of the free who probably instigated this attack on PIPs in the first place.

To those who are now getting fat picking the bones of Brian, all I can say is,
I really do hope that you later have to eat your own words and find them as distasteful as we do.........

The facts relating to the charges laid against the Marsdens to date are that they transferred monies from the account of Newmark into their own personal accounts. In old fashioned terms that would have been a fraudulent transfer in view of the amounts owing to the creditors of Pips et al, but now can be referred to as "money laundering." So far, there have been no charges forthcoming relating to Pips or Pic-pay, both of which are still under investigation.
These are facts which have not been twisted - they are just facts.

Originally Posted by laurenr

I´m just trying to remember what Brian is being charged with after all of this microscopic scrutiny by BNM.

Was it FRAUD ?

Was it theft or misappropriation of funds ?

or has been charged with Money Laundering because he never did his DD.

He stupidly accepted payments from people or organisations without doing the needed DD first ?

It appears he should actually be charged with stupidity......but of course that´s not really a crime is it ? ( as is evident by some posts here )

I cannot believe all of the back stabbing that has occurred since his arrest.

Once some realized that their dreams had been shattered it seems a scape goat was needed to be slaughtered, and Brian had set himself up for the job.

I have just read through the last 10 pages and it is sad how many people attack Brian so vehemently based mostly on hearsay.

It´s like a snowball that gets bigger and bigger as it´s rolled along.

One attack leads to another, usually they are personal attacks without facts.

Or what little facts are actually known ( and they are few ) are twisted and expanded upon until they fit the attackers agenda.

We´ll know the truth when the results are in after the court case, until then I guess we´ll be getting more of the same here.

I don´t know what BNM has done with all of the assets or how much will be left after they have picked them clean to cover their expenses,but I do believe they will make sure that PIPs will never get off the ground again.

To many ordinary people were going to be removed from the work place, and that´s not acceptable to any government, especially in the land of the free who probably instigated this attack on PIPs in the first place.

To those who are now getting fat picking the bones of Brian, all I can say is,
I really do hope that you later have to eat your own words and find them as distasteful as we do.........

All of the members have a right to air their opinion. I urge you to look objectively at the facts we do know. BM is not to blame? Do you really believe that? Stick by your conviction then.

But the sooner you realise that he has taken us all on a ride or to the cleaners, the better. BN didn't have to pick clean PIPS, BM already did. How do you explain his "I lost everything statement." You are right, PIPS will never get off the ground.

Here are some facts.

1. He has lied to us. Started a program in deception 10x5. True or false?
2. He has no gold to back picpay, which is supposed to be like a bank. True or false?
3. He has failed to pay for many many months, yet kept on recieving deposits. True or false?
4. He has the nerve to call us greedy and ungrateful when we ask about our w/d. True or false?
5. Pips account is supposed to be audited by Ernst and Young, its not. True of false?
6. He had his property (house and shophouses) siezed but did not tell us, kept us in the dark. True or false?
7. The property was under his and his wife's name. True or false?

All these facts and more have been verified. I'll stick with my conclusion.

theBat$

Originally Posted by laurenr

I´m just trying to remember what Brian is being charged with after all of this microscopic scrutiny by BNM.

Was it FRAUD ?

Was it theft or misappropriation of funds ?

or has been charged with Money Laundering because he never did his DD.

He stupidly accepted payments from people or organisations without doing the needed DD first ?

It appears he should actually be charged with stupidity......but of course that´s not really a crime is it ? ( as is evident by some posts here )

I cannot believe all of the back stabbing that has occurred since his arrest.

Once some realized that their dreams had been shattered it seems a scape goat was needed to be slaughtered, and Brian had set himself up for the job.

I have just read through the last 10 pages and it is sad how many people attack Brian so vehemently based mostly on hearsay.

It´s like a snowball that gets bigger and bigger as it´s rolled along.

One attack leads to another, usually they are personal attacks without facts.

Or what little facts are actually known ( and they are few ) are twisted and expanded upon until they fit the attackers agenda.

We´ll know the truth when the results are in after the court case, until then I guess we´ll be getting more of the same here.

I don´t know what BNM has done with all of the assets or how much will be left after they have picked them clean to cover their expenses,but I do believe they will make sure that PIPs will never get off the ground again.

To many ordinary people were going to be removed from the work place, and that´s not acceptable to any government, especially in the land of the free who probably instigated this attack on PIPs in the first place.

To those who are now getting fat picking the bones of Brian, all I can say is,
I really do hope that you later have to eat your own words and find them as distasteful as we do.........

What , "facts" are you basing your own biased pro Bryan belief's on. Apparently you don't need any. Although I do agree with you on one thing, that Bryan is stupid.

Bryan, (not Brian) was arrested, He is in jail, Bryan was charged with more than 50 felony counts, that's 50 ( FIFTY)felonies. . He is charged with taking monies (as in not his) from Pic Pay and transferring them to his and Sharon's PERSONAL accounts.

You see that is not stupidity alone, again I do agree it is stupid,

IT IS CRIMINAL.

Bryan is lucky, he is lucky so far that he has only been charged with FIFTY FELONIES... Truly, it is amazing, simply amazing... that Bryan hasn't been charged with embezzlement and fraud, as these factual actions are obviously both, but I would bet that he will charged with both and deservedly so, and maybe even more charges than that.

Certainly Bryan could be found completely Innocent, as you feel he is without ANY factual infomation, maybe he wasn't stealing, maybe he was transferring the many, many, many MILLIONS to the proper account holders, by way of his personal accounts!!! Funny the only accounts that got monies from PIC PAY, the last six months were their own accounts isn't it

Then once he has gotten over that little hurdle all he has to do is:

1: produce the 100 million insurance policy( Bryan's guarantee of principal) If he can't then it definitly is Fraud as I see it

2:show where the 100 to 300 million in missing gold is, from PIC PAY ( remember that little guarantee thing again of Bryan's), ( Fraud and embezzlement, theft or misappropriation of funds, money laundering )

3:proves he has the 3 billion plus in Pips and can prove he knows how to make 2 % per day.
( Fraud and embezzlement, theft or misappropriation of funds )

4: full and transparent accounting of all companies and Bryan and Sharon's personal acoounts by an independent third party acounting firm

I am sure that'll happen. I'd be a devotee then.

What really should happen is that you and all the other devotees ought to is humbly apologize, and ask forgiveness from the vast majority of Pips investors who lost there monies, their savings, their dreams because of this crook and your (all devotees) implicit actions which further, and your still trying, this harmful Ponzi.

I hold the Devotees to be as guilty as Bryan in this Ponzi. You will just will never be charged & judged, that is indeed a shame

What really should happen is that you and all the other devotees ought to is humbly apologize, and ask forgiveness from the vast majority of Pips investors who lost there monies, their savings, their dreams because of this crook and your (all devotees) implicit actions which further, and your still trying, this harmful Ponzi.

I hold the Devotees to be as guilty as Bryan in this Ponzi. You will just will never be charged, that is a shame

If the case is proven then YOU will be vindicated in all your ACCUSATIONS.

Until then no-one owes YOU an apology nor to anybody else regarding this matter.

I loaned PIPs $100,000, so don´t tell me how I should feel about my dreams being dashed.

Whether Bryan is a crook or not will be determined by the courts and not by people like you, thankfully.

As far as being a devotee, I am a devotee of real justice not your ¨hang´em high now and we´ll find out if he´s guilty later¨ philosophy.

Maybe you are correct in all of your assumptions, personally I´d rather wait and see.

Originally Posted by laurenr

If the case is proven then YOU will be vindicated in all your ACCUSATIONS.

Until then no-one owes YOU an apology nor to anybody else regarding this matter.

I loaned PIPs $100,000, so don´t tell me how I should feel about my dreams being dashed.

Whether Bryan is a crook or not will be determined by the courts and not by people like you, thankfully.

As far as being a devotee, I am a devotee of real justice not your ¨hang´em high now and we´ll find out if he´s guilty later¨ philosophy.

Maybe you are correct in all of your assumptions, personally I´d rather wait and see.

I didn't make any assuptions of guilt, I was stating the facts as we have them now and what Bryan would have to do to be proven innocent
Having said that, now I will, I believe he is quilty because proving him innocent seems impossible at this point.
I'd be a happy man if he was innocent and Pips and Pic Pay were real, but I will not blindly believe in Bryan and try to furter this ponzi as many are despite what IS known now.
You and I are actualy on the same page cause I want justice also, I don't want anyone hung high or hung now, and will of course let the courts do the judging.
Sorry about your loss, it is the likes of you that my sympathies are with actually .... I feel Bryan and his devotees need to apologize ( Bryan needs to face the courts of course also) to you ask forgiveness from you and the 10's of thousands like you who got taken by this crook.
I was not seeking an apolige for myself at all.

One thing to consider though, If Bryan actaully had that insurance policy you'd have your 100,000 back.
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