Thread: Rumor problem - the cause to all this mess!

I have seen this as well Ronbo. People causing trouble with the poster of a rumor and anyone who puts stock into it.

To me the rumor section is good. I never post but would be disheartened if it were to go away. It's called the Rumor section for a reason.

We have the news thread for those who want to know the facts and then we have a rumor section for those that want to hear the hearsay. There's nothing wrong with it since it is appropriately named.

I personally read the entire forum and that includes the rumor section. If you don't want to hear a rumor... then don't go in there. There is a sign on the door that says "Rumor Section"...if you don't have something nice to say the don't say anything at all.

Just my 2 cents...

Brad

I think it breaks down into a few areas

On one side theres the group of people that came over from " that which shall not be named " who still remember last summers set of rumors. And are still upset or disappointed or whatever it may be but still hold some hostility over it.

now while i dont agree with some of sgs's post ( and that is my god given right) i dont openly bash them in public ( now i will admit i have said something about some of them in private and make light of somethings ) but what i do in private is my own business and i dont bring it out in the open for everyone to dispute and take sides over. IMO both sides of this set of incidents are wrong. i've seen both sides go on ( sometimes unchecked ) and insult each other. Case in point i think that sgs was wrong for saying " you sound like a grumpy old man who needs to get laid" and he responed with something about her weight. Both parties were wrong plain and simple. Both were personal attacks and shouldn't have been allowed to see the light of day.

Originally Posted by ronbo

The biggest problem I have seen over the last few months is that some folks either had something against the poster, or grew impatient with the rumors coming out. They would then post a somewhat borderline attack against that particular poster or rumor. It seems there is a select number of folks that made this a fairly regular habit. When someone would post back questioning the attack, then the person that started it would turn on whoever replied. I know myself that I have been guilty of replying to one of these "attacking" posts. A lot of us have. When we know it should have been ignored. It is just hard to sit back and watch someone that you regard as a friend get attacked for seemingly no reason. Sometimes we retaliate to try and defend a friend instead of just reporting the post to the mods. For the most part with a few exceptions, we all need to do better. I know sometimes I do. JMO

Thank you for your view. I appreciate it alot. I have honestly been away, and this is probably the right end to start at to solve the problem.

Hmmmm. i wounder what other views our members have of how they see it went down.. And what can be done so all are happy with a solution to this problem.

admin

Originally Posted by caesarboxer

I have seen this as well Ronbo. People causing trouble with the poster of a rumor and anyone who puts stock into it.

To me the rumor section is good. I never post but would be disheartened if it were to go away. It's called the Rumor section for a reason.

We have the news thread for those who want to know the facts and then we have a rumor section for those that want to hear the hearsay. There's nothing wrong with it since it is appropriately named.

I personally read the entire forum and that includes the rumor section. If you don't want to hear a rumor... then don't go in there. There is a sign on the door that says "Rumor Section"...if you don't have something nice to say the don't say anything at all.

Just my 2 cents...

Brad

another interesting view of this all.
thank you..

hope more take part in effort to solve this issue here on our dinar forum so the bashing from members to other members stop.

admin

Originally Posted by Admin

I for my sake had mrsCK and Archangel as mods here a while. I did not have anything bad to add to anyone. Suddenly i got an Pm about them wanting to resign as mods. So i removed their mod status and sent them a thank you PM on Rc.

After a while Neno got banned in there, and i was like Whats going on.
I was approached by both sides. When it came to sgs she was calm and didn't say to much and backed down.

When it came to mrsCK, the most harm was done in our trust by her right hand if i may call it archangel, that acted like a jurk to be honest..
So i bad them two. Later lndmn_01 unbanned them on RC, and i saw this through the fingers for a while without saying anything more, hoping that this will resolve. But then again Next i new was that Neno had a real reason to ban mrsCK from RC. And now the confusion was high in the chat room, so people were talking a lot. Some of what made me mad about it was that, a member Pm'ed me saying one of our moderators sent a death threats to his wife. I asked lndmn what had gone wrong. And even spoke with him on the phone. I had heard rumors about lndmn using his mod status to favor mrsCK's chat. They used him for banning people here, Used him for getting ips of members as to track down who where the posters of their private chat room transcripts on RC, to get them banned. It would be nice to ask me first if i was okay with it, which i would anyway turn down, as per our user privacy policy, but at least they would not do anything illegal.

lndmn assured me that all was well and nothing wrong was done.
Next day when i come online on RC, i see many more frustrated members, and my first thought is what the hell did i do to deserver all of this?

Next a member contacted me and told me he/she had the chat where indmn has given out a ip to the chat room. Now that is stealing private information from our database for its wrong use..

Next you saw was many band on Rc for members stating that this was nothing wrong to break our privacy policy...

That is what i know about it.

regards
admin

now aside from what happen after that and all that went on today.

Maybe i'm wrong for this but i still see bendiect arnold / proof as a trouble maker. Yes ind was wrong yes everything that happen after that by those that were banned was uncalled for, but on the other side of the coin. bendiect Arnold ( i know there are plenty here that are overseas and not up to par on US history but the REAL bendiect arnold was a US traitor during the civil war ) blatantly did it to get attention he even stated in his 1st post ( i will be back at 8pm ) then posted the same thing in almost every major thread here. If that wasn't to cause problems then it was clearly spam.
and in regards to proof i don't disagree with what was posted but only in the manner it was done. you could clearly see tensions were high over the whole thing to began with. i feel (IMHO) that his post should have been handled in PM and the resulting action taken from there not posted for the world to see. By posting it for the world to see I think it may have added fuel to the fire as proof can been seen as starting trouble as i'm sure some of the membership took it.

Originally Posted by phiberoptik

I think it breaks down into a few areas

On one side theres the group of people that came over from " that which shall not be named " who still remember last summers set of rumors. And are still upset or disappointed or whatever it may be but still hold some hostility over it.

now while i dont agree with some of sgs's post ( and that is my god given right) i dont openly bash them in public ( now i will admit i have said something about some of them in private and make light of somethings ) but what i do in private is my own business and i dont bring it out in the open for everyone to dispute and take sides over. IMO both sides of this set of incidents are wrong. i've seen both sides go on ( sometimes unchecked ) and insult each other. Case in point i think that sgs was wrong for saying " you sound like a grumpy old man who needs to get laid" and he responed with something about her weight. Both parties were wrong plain and simple. Both were personal attacks and shouldn't have been allowed to see the light of day.

Wow, how deep is this stuff guys? There seems to be several explanations to all of this... Your right about that this should not have been allowed in the first place. And that is exactly the rute it all will take once we come near to summing up the mess. In one way i would think its right to let some of the banned in to let them also post their view on the frustration, but in that case they will have to leave the impulses, and rather take their neutral view of it all without taking any sides, so it seems honest.. If any of them wants after what they have gone through tonight, mail me at [email protected] and we can try to solve this. But if those that are now gone would have a hate growing like i think many would have, its better that they are gone for good.! If all, even the banned can/could keep an OPEN MIND, we could get somewhere..

But this is not only my call. It has to come from all sides..
i leave it up to you members to pull the right strings to solve this issue, with me..

I am open for more thoughts...

Admin

Originally Posted by phiberoptik

now aside from what happen after that and all that went on today.

Maybe i'm wrong for this but i still see bendiect arnold / proof as a trouble maker. Yes ind was wrong yes everything that happen after that by those that were banned was uncalled for, but on the other side of the coin. bendiect Arnold ( i know there are plenty here that are overseas and not up to par on US history but the REAL bendiect arnold was a US traitor during the civil war ) blatantly did it to get attention he even stated in his 1st post ( i will be back at 8pm ) then posted the same thing in almost every major thread here. If that wasn't to cause problems then it was clearly spam.
and in regards to proof i don't disagree with what was posted but only in the manner it was done. you could clearly see tensions were high over the whole thing to began with. i feel (IMHO) that his post should have been handled in PM and the resulting action taken from there not posted for the world to see. By posting it for the world to see I think it may have added fuel to the fire as proof can been seen as starting trouble as i'm sure some of the membership took it.

Well stated phiber

Originally Posted by phiberoptik

now aside from what happen after that and all that went on today.

Maybe i'm wrong for this but i still see bendiect arnold / proof as a trouble maker. Yes ind was wrong yes everything that happen after that by those that were banned was uncalled for, but on the other side of the coin. bendiect Arnold ( i know there are plenty here that are overseas and not up to par on US history but the REAL bendiect arnold was a US traitor during the civil war ) blatantly did it to get attention he even stated in his 1st post ( i will be back at 8pm ) then posted the same thing in almost every major thread here. If that wasn't to cause problems then it was clearly spam.
and in regards to proof i don't disagree with what was posted but only in the manner it was done. you could clearly see tensions were high over the whole thing to began with. i feel (IMHO) that his post should have been handled in PM and the resulting action taken from there not posted for the world to see. By posting it for the world to see I think it may have added fuel to the fire as proof can been seen as starting trouble as i'm sure some of the membership took it.

Hi, i agree. But the person was banned by lndmn, and per request from lndmn i had further banned his ip. What i didnt know what what was going on in the chat room. The ip was given to their members, and it came from nowhere else then Rolclub. No other moderator was active there from the view of the chat as it seemed to me except lndmn_01. I dont mind that he had his loyalty with them as i dont want to take any sides in the frist place, but not over the cost of compromising our privacy policy to be honest. Why i called them a cult is for the reasons as, no warnings came from any of the real members of that chat room saying

Admin, lndmn let your ip out.. I was probably also abit fast in judging all under one stroke ( or however you said it). This is my main reason to take it out the way i did...

admin

And let me also be clear. There aren't only 2 groups here. There are 3.
Those on sgs, those on mrsCK, and the majority that just is silent and have had enough of this fight... Like myself.

admin

I'm just tring to look at it from both sides.. also jts 12am here in the states so you may not see alot of activity here until tommrow ( most people dont stay up as late i do )

it might actually be more than 3 groups