Thread: Luke's Integrity Questionable

All you are doing is proving your ignorance. What Luke is trying to do for us is extremely difficult. What you are doing is turning the difficult into the impossible. If you cause the whole thing to fall apart, there will be a lot of people who will want to know who you are and where you are. I will have that information for them. I might even have two people to give them information about. ;^)

You might get a thrill from being a pain in the butt, but you will forever be afraid to answer that knock on the door.

Excuse me Gosub. What you are doing is threatening him. Telling him that you will give out his info to others so that they can do something to him is a crime. Admin better get a hold of you here or else you could find yourself in legal trouble.
And don't say that you don't know what people will do because in your own words you said "you will forever be afraid to answer that knock on the door."

Anyone who looks for trouble in this big bad world is likely to find it. Actions create reactions.

Your idea of a threat is laughable. Have you never been threatened? Threats are usually specific. They usually involve descriptions of what will happen to body parts or valuables.

I see no implicit threat in my words, just pointing out what the consequences of his actions might be. I do see specific threats in astro's posts against Luke. Are you not going to chastise him about that? Double standards maybe?

So, if someone says "don't walk under that ladder, something might fall on you" Is that a threat?

Let me ask you a couple of questions dinarman. Do you believe that there will be a lot of really p¡ssed off people across the globe if this assw¡pe causes the collapse of something very promising? Do you believe that he should be allowed to destroy this for people who are happy to wait?

Maybe you have some insight as to why this loony wants a refund, but won't tell Luke who he is? Luke can't wait to see the back of this creep. Why would he refuse to refund him?

Instead of having a hissy fit at me, maybe you should be asking him why he wants to cause trouble. Maybe you should ask him how he is supposed get a refund if no-one knows who to refund, and what amount.

He may say that Luke knows who he is. I can assure you that this is not the case. If he really wanted a refund, he would be sending his info to Luke every day... why isn't he? What is his real motive? That's the 64,000 dollar question!

Originally Posted by Gosub

Anyone who looks for trouble in this big bad world is likely to find it. Actions create reactions.

Your idea of a threat is laughable. Have you never been threatened? Threats are usually specific. They usually involve descriptions of what will happen to body parts or valuables.

I see no implicit threat in my words, just pointing out what the consequences of his actions might be. I do see specific threats in astro's posts against Luke. Are you not going to chastise him about that? Double standards maybe?

So, if someone says "don't walk under that ladder, something might fall on you" Is that a threat?

Let me ask you a couple of questions dinarman. Do you believe that there will be a lot of really p¡ssed off people across the globe if this assw¡pe causes the collapse of something very promising? Do you believe that he should be allowed to destroy this for people who are happy to wait?

Maybe you have some insight as to why this loony wants a refund, but won't tell Luke who he is? Luke can't wait to see the back of this creep. Why would he refuse to refund him?

Instead of having a hissy fit at me, maybe you should be asking him why he wants to cause trouble. Maybe you should ask him how he is supposed get a refund if no-one knows who to refund, and what amount.

He may say that Luke knows who he is. I can assure you that this is not the case. If he really wanted a refund, he would be sending his info to Luke every day... why isn't he? What is his real motive? That's the 64,000 dollar question!

I hear what you are saying. And I agree it would make people mad, me included. But with that being said, by you releasing these "angry people" on him, you are commiting a crime. You know what they will do and you helped by passing on his info to them. Like letting your angry Rottweiller out knowing he will attack someone.
You know these desperate angry people will hurt him but you share the info anyway. You are contributing to the action. It's negligence.
I hope he doesn't cause trouble for all our sakes, but we are owed info from Luke on this. It has gone on long enough.

well, I think it is non productive to call astro or NL a dirty rotten scoundrel and make threats. I don't think that is getting us anywhere. so with that said....

Astro are you in this program or not? Cause you don't sound like it. And the other question is. Would you really want to hurt a lot of desperate people? Cause I know there are a lot of desperate people in this program. Some are really struggling and a lot of them are at a very very low point in their lives. Why would you want to hurt these people?

So astro, what is the news that you want to hear?

Originally Posted by astro2

I have no means to make this happen. Don't you guys feel that we have been dragging this for a very long time with no answer? If he wants to do this good for everyone he should start to look at the whole big picture as to what happen here. It has been months we were not being told of good news -real good news and all we had was "real bad news". Is this too much to ask for something real???????????? I have given him ample time to fill us with updates but too bad he didn't know how to appreciate this well enough, therefore, I must say he's asking for trouble. Nevertheless, all I can offer is till end of this month, failing which I will proceed to what I should do.

Best of luck to LUKE and the rest of the team

All I want is an update from Luke, he didn't give us update. Each time when he promises to give update it never came. Why broke the promise over and over again? Don't you guys think when a trade is entered, this is what Luke claims, where is the money then??? How much is the return???? Before money was collected from Luke, what did he promise???? After giving money to Luke he says we will be getting 900% return every month for 10 months. Now what????

He also mentioned the first and second payment will go to the Chinese Foundtion, the third payout will be for us, now my question is where is the money????

He also did mention he will pay us before christmas in 2005, now where is the money???? He mentions in February we will be entering the next trade and Mr.T will post info, now where is the info???

Why is he giving excuses after excuses??? I got the email address wrong??? I have been communicating with him everyday from the day I give him the money till recently when I asked for a refund. The only reply he gives me was when the next member wants our account, then the member have to buy our account then we will get the money.

I really don't care if I have millions of people coming to me just because I destroy this program. I have no worries.

Each trade he entered did he read the agreement properly or he just sign as he likes???? Where is our money??? My dearest Drama-King and Drama-Queen, please be yourself and ask luke where is our money?? Yes, you are right we must show respect and show support to Luke but the problem is he's getting us like a merry go round. What exactly happened? He has a meeting with the bankers for the money?????

Now I really can't take it anymore, I was with the Banks and Investment Banking for more than 10 years and I know the entire operations of Debenture. So, what Luke mentions to us is all LIES. He signed NDA I believe, NDA is only an agreement that you cannot mention who is in the process. Which party is involved.

I'm still waiting for his reply. I promise if he gives a good explanation to all I won't continue this, if not it leaves me with 1 choice to turn and you all know where. At least an update if no refund to us.

Originally Posted by moncheri

Astro are you in this program or not? Cause you don't sound like it.

Moncheri, I think you've hit the nail on the head there. The last update was posted 3 days ago. This is not the first time that his girlfriend hasn't passed on an update to him.

Astro, things change, get over it. You say things as if they were written in stone. We were told from day 1 that it would be difficult and that things will probably change. We all - those of us invested - agreed to roll with the punches and do what is necessary. I know exactly how things stand at the moment, and I'm quite happy.

dinarman, I don't know what constitutes a crime where you live. I still live in the free world, where sharing of information isn't a crime. I'm not inciting anyone to violence, everyone will have the choice to do what they want with the information. I'll be paying 2000MYR for it, so it is mine to do with as I please.

On that note, I'm glad I hired an international investigator, there's a surprising twist to this story.

If things were to change then don't tell us a different story all together, don't give us fake hope about the future. Don't promise us anything that's untrue. One update doesn't hurt. He has to tell us the truth but don't change as he likes, if he can't pay just say he can't do it. Anyway, I still stand firmly to my decision, if no news then we will see bad news.

Astro, if you were in the program you would identify yourself to Luke and then would have had your refund a long time ago. So your claims are unsubstantiated. I agree Gosub, the last update was very good and things of this nature are dependant on others forces to come into their own. I have complete trust that if the program was not working we would DEFINATELY be told straight up....