Thread: The Big Question?

The violence is the KEY ISSUE and nothing good is going to happen until it is reduced to whatever level can be considered NORMAL. There will be no big oil companies or other investors coming in while the danger level is still so high and abnormal. That is why a surge in troops is the only adequate solution to solve the problem at this time. Squash the perpetrators.

Originally Posted by PaulieThaGreat

You say money buys peace but these terrorist dont care about money. They have crap loads of it. Thats how they get a hold of these bombs and ingrediants.... Im sure bomb supplies is a big business in Iraq. These terrorist are fighting for something bigger then money.

Paulie you raise a good point on the issue of terrorists having money. When the poor folks get money to they will have something to defend and something to defend it with. The phrase from some one on here about rich people shop at the mall poor people blow it up is pretty good. Look at other places in the middle east and where money is their is just not the violence as in other places. You don't see bin laden livivg in Dubia. They wouldn't put up with it as well the Iraqi's won't either. Jsut mt 2 cents. Good debate though.

One more thing look at it this way. The dems here need to keep a certain part of Americans poor. (I think they want all of us to be poor but just my opion.) If the poor suddenly got money or became rich they wouldn't need the democratic welfare or hillary's healthcare plan. Same with Iraq the people would be more apt to take care of their problems if they had something to take care of.

Originally Posted by danny51

The violence is the KEY ISSUE and nothing good is going to happen until it is reduced to whatever level can be considered NORMAL. There will be no big oil companies or other investors coming in while the danger level is still so high and abnormal. That is why a surge in troops is the only adequate solution to solve the problem at this time. Squash the perpetrators.

correction, all the big oil companies are already over there, waiting to get the go ahead to drill, danger or no danger, big money makes people stupid when it comes to getting paid. They're there, they just aren't doing anything yet, voilence or no violence when they get the go ahead to drill, they'll drill.

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT BECAME UGLY....RV DAY:

This just in...Homeland Security in-coordination with the US Treasury has broken up a Iraqi based terriost network that extended throughtout all levels of American Society...In a blinding series of arrests, across the nation, tens of thousands were taken into custody as they attempted to cash in worthless Iraqi Dinars at banks across America...this just in...

Dinar roit outside BOA bank in Cleveland....hundreds arrested after bank manager refused to cash more than $300 of Iraqi Money for the hundreds that had assembled at the bank before opening hours today...For a Live report...

ect...ect...ect....

No my main point is that people were being bigots and saying how could we make every poor person rich in Iraq...how can we deal with that but what they aren't realising is that they (Iraqis) had been middle class to very rich before we made them beggers with our invasion and continuation of UN sanctions...

My other point was that many of the investor group that I have seen that populate these boards are people who have never had big amonts of money before...how would they be better preparred to handle instant wealth just because the come from a first world nation...?

Fred

To quote a great thought:

Without any doubt...improve the economy and you will see a gaint drop off in the rates/levels of voilence (probably down to an Israeli level of acceptability) as people rush out in the buying event of the century...

reduce unemployment from the 70-80% you will greatly reduce the levels of violence...

working people have little time for these other activities...

give them good wages and see how quickly they will turn on those who continue - as you have given them a new, vested interest in society returning to normal...

This was true an hour ago...it is still true now...Germany didn't in the early 1930's and it's failure to vest the average person into the sucess of the economy gave raise to Hitler...who did invest the people in the rebuilding of Germany...and he then lead them to its destruction...Al Sadr comes to mind...

fred, what are you saying? im having trouble reading between the lines.
are you saying that we dont deserve to get rich? we are too stupid collectively to handle the wealth? im not trying to sound like a smarta**, really, im just trying to get my head around whatever it is your trying to say.
you mentioned in another thread that in aint gonna be pretty

there is some truth to what fred is saying. can you imagine standing in line at the bank, pushing and shoving each other, just to be the first to cash in . thieves lyng in wait to knock you in the head and steal your dinars?

revdan

Again I was saying that we shouldn't go around proclaiming that "the Iraqis can't or wouldn't be able to handle their new wealth...without destroying their economy..." without having to see this thought turned around on people who made these type of comments...

I could not understand how some of us can say such things about the Iraqi being unable to handle their own wealth WHEN, I see:

A. The vast majority of Iraqis were middle class to rich before the wars and the UN sanctions.

B. a good majority of people invested in Dinars have never been wealth...in fact from the comments that I read...many have always lived paycheck to paycheck and I could not see how they would be able to handle this winfall as well as would a previously wealthy Iraqi...that we made poor...

I just think that many comments that have been posted are very bigoted and insultive to the Iraqi people (ie...stupid, lazy...greedy...dishonest....violent...thugs...unc ivilized...ect...how do we address the economic crisis that all these poor people becoming instant millionaires will reak on the Iraqi economy...)

Although, I remember European articles with much the same terminology being used during the US Civil War in the 1860's...if we were and probably would still be today...why should we make fun of the Iraqis in their time of trial....

I was just trying to point this out and also, the fact that America has many more poor people now percentage wise than Iraq did before the Wars and UN Sanction and that it seemed unreasonable to insult the people, governement that will soon make you a wealthy person...talk about the hand that fed ya!

Fred

Originally Posted by fredgwest1999

Instead, I'm worried about all of us...many who have never lived beyond paycheck to paycheck...

Can somebody sensibly address this major concern. Think of the panic and confusion as thousands of poor Americans strike it rich next week...IT AIN't Gonna Be PRRRREEEEETTTTTYYYYYYY!!!!

Fred

Oh I disagree Fred. What could be a more beautiful sight than to see thousands of poor freed from the bondage of poverty. You're right it won't be pretty... it'll be BEAUTIFUL!!!