Thread: “Pips to be privatized?”

Originally Posted by Wacky

So of course I blame the people!!! We are the ******* of our own destiny, but instead of taking it in their hands the majority seems to be more concerned about blaming others for the situation they are in.

Exactly!!! People can allow themselves to be defined by their past or they can define themselves in spite of it! I choose the latter, as should any intelligent person. This means remembering the "lessons" AND the fact there are always more to learn.

Everwiser

Many don't have the chance or the know how to do what you say EVERYONE should know.

SORRY people don't know or have that chance because they haven't got it because they need guidance.. They are kept in the dark and no one to show them the way out... No people aren’t a where of all that is there for their taking..

Heck if I knew what the Wealthy Barber knew back in the sixties I would be one wealthy woman now. But alas it wasn’t in our bringing up.

I guess you just don't know what I was getting at here. .Even though I gave you the info about the banks in the links above.. on the BC Canadian court case ... but this topic got away from that.

Yes, you make money off the Banks.. and people defend what they know.
Your one smart cookie But unfortunately there are only a few smart cookies in the box.
Glad you are one of them.. you are one of the few .that broke the barrier ..

BUT what I was saying was about the court case here .. NOT how much you make on your Forex trading and that people are stupid and it is all their fault for not using the system ...and you were smart enough to get out of the rut that most are caught up into ...

There are people who will defend the unknowing, the miss guided and the stupid because somebody has to.

I will end here ... but NOT defeated in this debate... Because even though we are talking about the Banks ..
WE are not talking in the same direction.....

Have a great evening..
Good luck on your forex .. But I know you don't need it ... :-)

goldeneye

hello goldeneye
on the link freedomtofacism it talks about IRS & the things they have done to people etc . After studying some litterature I know it is constitutional but you really need to know who it applies to !
The internal revenue code is a code, they have custom definitions for words we believe to mean one thing but they mean something totally different . Most people owe little to no taxes but you swear you have income as defined in the code when you sign your 1040 . If you want to learn more pm me for website

Goldeneye

Again I have to disagree!

If people need guidance they can find it, but many don't even start to search for it.

I have nothing more special than most people, but I learned how to do it, and like me everyone can.

On second thoughts I do have something special... I don't move with the masses.

The masses keep everyone within their limited mentality. Something I refuse. That is probably why I AM getting financial results while the masses are all waiting for someone else (be it Bryan or anyone else) to do it for them.

Wake up! No one is ever going to serve you financial freedom on a silver plate.

Thanks for the good luck!

... there would be no sickness, no sorrow, no poverty, no pain...
Give me a break.

Just for the record:

Fact is that the very moneychangers Jesus ran out of the temple are the same ones who hung him on the cross, later.

Fact is that no one knows what everyone else is thinking and doing. Or why.

Fact is that greed, lust and selfishness are, and always have been, the only real conspirators.

Fact is that as you sow, so also shall you reap.

Fact is that only me (and my God) has "walked a mile in my shoes".

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Now, IMHO:

There is no question that "money" is more convenient. A pretty good invention. Unfortunately the history of how money has been used is truly sordid. Primarily because of the above mentioned "conspirators". Money doesn't do anything. Just sits there. Its the carrot chasers that have given money a bad name. Mostly the moneychangers. As my Lord said it's "the LOVE OF MONEY" that is the root of all evil. Not the money.

No financial investment will ever equal the return of one single seed. The sons of Belial have been trying convince us otherwise from the beginning. Continuous propagation of the "benifits" of the love of money has been their most successful seduction so far. It is our own vanity. however, that enables them to succeed. And they know it. Shame on us!

Who or what is the actual source of our supply? Can we, by the manufacture of our own mind or hands or equipment or expenditure of money create one breath of air. Or drop of water. Or grain of sand. Or any seed from which all life comes. No! None of that can be created with money.

Can there be abundance without "money"? True abundance has nothing to do with money. Belial wants you to believe that money is the scorecard. But is it?

Is capitalism or communism or fascism or industrialism a reflection of Gods dream for us? Or the church. Is our specific little religion a reflection of Gods' dream for ALL of us?

Banc is an Italian word. It is the name of the table on which the moneychangers used to do their business in the marketplace in Italy. Just like they did in Jerusalem. Money changing is a fun and profitable game. First you invent a specific currency. Then you make it a rule that "they" can only use my specific currency to do business "around here". That's what they did in Jerusalem. You could only pay the tithes, required by law, in "their" specific temple currency. How did you get that currency? Well you bought it from the MONEYCHANGERS. And just who were these moneychangers? They were the people who ran the church. The same people who made the rule in the first place. Did the church profit from this little transaction? Read it and weep! It did not. This was PRIVATE enterprise. And what about the recycled animals sold for offerings? Who made the profits on those. These same priests. And they had no shame.

Now, lest anyone get stupid and turn this into a religious argument, I want to make it clear that this is NOT about religion. It has nothing to do with ANY organized religion. This IS about the worship of the false idols of Greed, Lust and Selfishness. And the tools they have invented to extort us. And the extent to which they will go to seduce us.

Greed, Lust and Selfishness will create nations and religions and philosophies to satisfy their unbridled desire to propagate, grow and harvest their "treasures". They will do everything in their power to make you feel helpless without them, unpatriotic, and even unloved by God if you don't do exactly what they want you to. And never even think about questioning their authority or activities.

Government, advertising companies and religion are, unfortunately, the main users of the science of psychology. It was painful to wake up one day and discover that hardly any belief I may have could be trusted. Most all of my beliefs were planted by one of the above or one of my "primary care givers".

Who was I? I seemed to be nothing more than the collection of a bunch of ideas planted in me by strangers who mainly wanted to make sure I did what I was 'sposed to.

The main problem for me was that "they" took me to the seminary every day they went. By the time I was 7 I knew that this worlds 'sposed to and the Bible 'sposed to were radically different. Ruined me for life, LOL. Now, I knew that there were at least two different 'sposed to be's.

Years later, I saw the blood running out from under the door at the bus station in Birmingham, AL. I saw the blood in the grass at Kent State University. I saw the president of the un-united states of America cry when I pressured him to explain the real value of the blood being spilled by our family members in southeast Asia. I saw my brothers and sisters comming home maimed, physically and spiritually. Many of them addicted to drugs. I had the audacity to point out the hypocricy. I saw my 4 inch thick FBI file.

People, don't let the money-sex-power addicts tell you you're worthless, unpatriotic or unGodly because you're not always comfortable playing their game. They are NOT "the final solution".

By the same token don't forget or ignore the way creation has always worked. This is how you create abundance: Prepare your soil. Plant your seed. Fertilize it. Water it. Weed it. Be patient. Now behold the Blessings of God!

John

Though I'm not a religious man I find your talk about greed being a conspirator as very inspirational.

While I don't necessarily believe that every moneychanger or financial institution is evil, I totally agree that the lust for money is the root of alot of evil, and may I add alot of trouble. Same thing with fear I believe; fear of losing or not having money is good alliance with greed.

And those last 2 paragraphs, wow! There's alot of forgotten wisdom you made me re-member, and I really appreciate it.

I work in the field were money grows (or moves), I do it in order not to play the money game underneath the MONEYCHANGERS. Ironically this requires me to be a money changer and such a lesson on greed is a MUCH needed reminder not to make money my new God.

There's no good being free from money changers if the same poison that may corrupt them comes in my bloodstream.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks Wacky, and I totally agree. In fact it is exactly because of the incredible abundance of good seed that I have encountered throughout my life that I endure.

Good bankers, lawyers, politicians, doctors and nurses, religious leaders of every faith, artists, musicians, soldiers, cops, firefighters, salesmen, "workers" of all dirty fingernail magic and all the rest - I thank God for all of us.

If it wasn't for them, the "conspirators" would rule completely.

And yes - fear. One of the prime motivators. There is nothing wrong with a healthy respect for your situation when there is real danger. But, as the definition implies, "anticipation of harm" is a pretty lousy use of your creativity. Kind of like lying, which I consider to be the lowest form of creativity, only with fear - you are lying to yourself. Not very useful.

And this - some of the most wonderful, giving, selfless people I have known were ones I call the "ethical agnostics". They are good because something inside them tells them it is simply the best thing to do. For all of us. Because they're not sure about "the God thing" they're not operating out of spiritual blackmail. It's just doing right because it's the right thing to do. I love them!

Thanks about that last paragraph again! I identify alot with the "ethical agnostics" and have always advocated doing good for its own sake rather than because there's haven or hell! :-)

wow, thanks for the interesting exchange of thoughts :). How off-topic they may be... I have a question, though... for Wacky or anyone else who can answer it. Forgive me if it's stupid... or not answerable because it's in itself too simplistic or not applicable (I'm not an economist). But it's about an issue I prefer having an idea about before I would ever enter the arena (if I haven't already by joining pips).

I wonder how ethical Forex (&) trading is and... where does the money come from? A friend of me told that with a good training & tools, one can hardly loose money. What or who is the looser, than, here? Or is the idea of 'someone's dead is another one's bread' not applicable to these processes?

This question pops up because... I will probably donate part of my eventual earnings from these programs & trading to charity and development,... As such I would like to know if there's no (more) blood, pain,... sticking on this money... and that it's not earned through methods that don't outweigh the good purpose it'll be given to.

Hasse

ps Re: the debate with goldeneye... As far as I understand, our financial system still (btw even don't need conspiracy to) tends to make people 'who know/have' rich(er) on the back of those 'who don't know/have'. While the latter theoretically can help themselves out as Wacky pointed out, there are in reality many factors which make it a rather simplistic statement to say 'it's just there own fault'. What made you learn to 'think outside the box'? What gave you the intelligence and technical means to manage the knowledge and obtain the results you're having right now? What made you getting born at that particular spot at the first place? (Etc...) I think one shouldn't ever stop realising how lucky one must be to have all these factors pointing in the right direction... as that's not so evident as how it's assumed above. (Anyway). This said, Wacky & C°, thanks again for this interesting and much appreciated discussion.

Money from forex is 100% ethical. trillions are created everyday and you are only taking your share.

All you are doing is just exchanging 1 currency for another to take advantage of variation in price of one currency compared to the other.

Now if you do it with pennies that may sound small, but if you are actually taking a loan and doing that thing with $10,000 or $100,000 or $100Billon then you are making enormous returns (or losses).

Loans are at 1% yearly, but you don't pay premiums if you trade with that money for only 1 day and return the loan.

Bank can legally loan up to $500 for every $1 they have from people's deposit. If you're not into economics I don't assume you perceive it as ethical, but it is normal. What banks are actually doing when they do this is explained below in blue.


Countries benefit from the exchange because your activity moves money and regulates prices and countries' value... if you consider countries as corporations it is not different from investing shares in them.

I think that with training it is very easy to make LOTS of money (it is the most profitable market in the world by far surpassing stock, commodities and real estate alltogether). Yes with the right training and nerve you can comensate for occasional small losses with frequent huge profits. That lets you continue to make more profit. You can literally become a quadrillionaire on forex.

However, few really have the right nerve & good training (working together) in practice, so 90% of traders actually lose money. In this work there is no competition between different individuals like 2 restaurants that are 50 metres from eachother, yet the winners do eat the losers alive, but because the loser did the wrong move. There is no superior trader, in fact this activity humbles the winners down quite alot.

Loaning 'inexistent' explained: They are assuming that the money they are allowing you to use (by loaning) for your venture exists (in your potential venture); for this assumption they are demanding that you show that money up in real value. It is not a conspiracy, just a heavy taxation because you have an unproven claim that you have a source of income that deserves the assumption that the money exists.

Conspiracy is just a fascinating concept that fuels the imagination of the people who are uneducated about the subject.

Since I started trading I became personally aware of groups that 'conspire' together in order to make huge wealth from the forex & futures markets by causing makret movement in a desired direction. They are not, however, keeping the wealth for themselves, and their activity is actually a benefit for traders (we want movement). Also these kind of groups' activities are something that is (By Law) available to the public (under a regulation known as Commitment of Traders) and it is more like a thinktank anyone with enough $$$$$$ is welcome to take part in! Like a Union for Richies! :-)


Thanks for your question!

Wacky & C° lol