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    Quote Originally Posted by aeara
    gee, i must be at the rol forum. ok, i know nothing... i'll shut up. have fun with your revelations - and bandwidth.
    I read everything and I like to read different views of the same object. After that I draw my own conclusions(and one of them could be that I'm indifferent). I welcome your opinion just as much as I read Largo's pieces. There should be room for debate.

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    Well Folks…Hope this story is of Interest to you…
    the EVIDENCE for this event is MORE than devastating
    to some THEORIES claiming it didn’t happen…


    From Jonathan Gray
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    WORLD IN SHOCK
    Red sunrise. Breathtaking sunrise over the valley.
    The early morning haze and reflection combine to turn the image into one
    of awesome beauty, like an atomic bomb mushroom cloud.
    The atmosphere is eerie and powerful.
    There is no sound anywhere. No birds or animals and no people.
    Splintered branches poke up from the ground. A muddied shoe, a man’s
    size, leans against some small rocks. A chewed-up book cover. Half an
    enamel jug.
    The emptiness and silence of this place called Earth is almost scary.
    … She keeps staring. She almost expects someone to pop around a corner,
    but no-one does.
    Here they are, just eight people left alone on an empty planet.
    Empty? Not quite. Countless corpses lie strewn from New Zealand to
    Norway.
    A devastated planet. But only one year ago…
    She chokes back a sob. Hardly knowing what she does, Amoela stumbles
    back inside the survival vessel.
    She’s shivering uncontrollably. Her husband Japheth holds her close.
    They both weep.

    THE MOST DEEPLY-ROOTED OF ALL
    TRADITIONS
    The Great Flood was known to all peoples of antiquity. The tradition
    appeared in sunny Egypt, Greece and Australia, in mountainous Peru and
    Mexico, in icy Greenland and the sandy Gobi.
    Tim La Haye and John Morris list 204 Flood traditions from widely
    separated parts of the world. (Tim La Haye and John Morris, The Ark on Ararat,
    pp.233-238 )
    But the original mirror of the story has probably been shattered into some
    600 pieces. In each broken fragment the object can be seen. It is more
    distinct in some fragments than in others.
    Over time, these traditions have been modified, transformed in the
    retelling. For example, over time, geographical locations became
    uncertain.
    But, stripped of their accumulated and sometimes fantastic embellishments,
    there is almost complete agreement among them all on the essential facts of
    the great catastrophe.
    The legends are still just enough dissimilar to offer convincing proof of a
    shared memory.
    Says Hugh Miller, noted Scottish geologist:
    “ There is, however, one special tradition which seems to be more
    deeply impressed and more widely spread than any of the others. The
    destruction of well-nigh the whole human race, in an early age of the
    world’ s history, by a great deluge appears to have so impressed the
    minds of the few survivors, and seems to have been handed down to
    their children, in consequence, with such terror-struck impressiveness
    that their remote descendants of the present day have not even yet
    forgotten it.” (Hugh Miller, The Testimony of the Rocks. New York: John B. Alden,
    1892)

    When Alexander Humboldt, the famous nineteenth century naturalist,
    penetrated new regions of South America unknown to the Old World at the
    time, he discovered tribes of wild natives. “And yet among these forgotten
    races of the human family, he found the tradition of the deluge still fresh
    and distinct; not confined to a single tribe, but general among the scattered
    nations of that great region.” (Ibid, p.284)

    Humboldt concluded that “ the legends had their origins in a firmly-rooted,
    racial memory common to all men.” (Violet Cummings, Has Anyone Really Seen
    Noah’ s Ark? San Diego, Calif.: Creation-Life Publishers, 1982, p.233)
    Of course, the thought is devastating, but could it be that our modern
    concepts of earth’ s history are in need of revision?

    CONTENT OF FLOOD LEGENDS
    It may be of interest to glance at a few of these Flood traditions. For each
    main point, we shall cite the common biblical record, followed by a
    sampling of the world’ s racial traditions.

    Rebellion of mankind
    “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth… only
    evil continually … and it grieved his heart. And the Lord said, I will
    destroy man whom I have created from the fact of the earth… I will
    destroy them with the earth.” (Genesis.6:5-7,13)
    ._ Egypt: Nu, the ruler of the seas, set out to wholly destroy mankind
    who was in rebellion.
    ._ Bolivia: A great Flood was sent to punish men’ s pride and insolence.
    In most of the legends around the world, the reason for the catastrophe is
    the same.

    A divine warning
    “And God said unto Noah … Make thee an ark… with thee [8 persons] I
    will establish my covenant.” (Genesis.6:13-18; 7:13)
    ._ Iran(the Zend Avesta): Yima was ordered by a god to prepare for a
    world deluge.
    ._ India: Manu, the father of the human race, was instructed to build a
    ship and take in seven others (total 8), plus all the different seeds. The
    waters reached the mountains.
    ._ North America(Great Lakes): After a warning of the coming deluge,
    the hero built a vessel for his family and the animals. They floated for
    several months.
    ._ Sumeria (Gilgamesh tablets): The hero was warned of the coming
    deluge and built a vessel lined with pitch.
    ._ U.S.A.(Yuchi Indians of South Carolina and Georgia): A big flood
    drowned all but those who had been warned of the impending disaster.

    A survival vessel: man and animals
    “Come… into the ark… Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by
    sevens, the male and his female, and of beasts that are not clean by two, the
    male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the
    female: to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.” (Genesis.6:14-16;
    7:13)
    ._ Alaska: The father of the Indian tribe, warned in a dream that a deluge
    would desolate the earth, built a raft on which he saved his family and
    all the animals. They floated on the water for several months.
    ._ Australia (Aborigines): The flood survivors used rafts and canoes and
    carried birds and animals.
    - (Aborigines): A rainbow serpent came down when a great flood was
    supernaturally sent because of man’ s wickedness, and told 8 people to
    climb on board its back so that it could save them from this flood.
    ._ North America(Iroquois): One family was saved, with two animals of
    each kind.
    - (the Thlinkeets): Several people survived the deluge by seeking
    shelter in a great floating building.( H.H. Bancroft, Works of Bancroft, Native
    Races. San Francisco: A.L. Bancroft and Company, 1883, vol.V, pp.20,21)
    ._ Greece: Lucian, in his account of the Greek traditions, speaks of the
    ark and the pairs of different kinds of animals. (De Dea Syria, sec.12)
    ._ India: The animals were taken on board the boat to escape the great
    flood. (The Bhagawata Purana, a Hindu poem of great antiquity (Asiatic Researches,
    vol.ii, mem.7)
    ._ Mexico: (Toltecs): Men were destroyed by tremendous rains and
    lightning from the sky, and even all the land, without the exception of
    anything, and the highest mountains were covered up. A few escaped
    from this destruction in a “ tpotlipetlacali” (a closed chest).
    Other undisputed sources of antiquity considered the Flood to be not local,
    but a worldwide event.

    The name “Noah”
    “And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.” (Gen.7:11)
    ._ China: The Chinese ancestor Nu-Wah survived the destruction of the
    world by a flood and accomplished the reconstruction. There followed
    legendary heroes sometimes referred to as the Three Sovereigns
    (Noah’ s three sons?). After these came the Three Dynasties, Hsia,
    Shang and Chou (held by scholars to initiate the historical period).
    ._ Venezuela: In the Sierra Parima between Brazil and Venezuela, there
    is reported to be a dead city called by the name of Ma Noe, signifying
    “ the waters of Noah.”
    ._ The name Noah has survived for thousands of years, through a
    multiplicity of stories, even though oft times it evolved into a slightly
    different spelling, depending on the letter symbols used. This is
    remarkable, when you consider the wide separation across the earth, as
    well as the ultimate language differences between peoples, and the
    extreme local distortions which developed in Flood legends. Yet the
    same name survived virtually unchanged in such widely separated
    places as
    - Hawaii (where he was called Nu-u)
    - the Sudan (Nuh)
    - the Amazon region (Noa)
    - Phrygia (Noe)
    - Africa (Noh and Hiagnoh – among the Hottentots)
    - Egypt (Nu)
    - Turkey (Nuh)

    8 survivors
    According to the biblical story, 8 people survived – Noah and his wife,
    their three sons, and their three wives. (Genesis 7:13)
    · Hawaii: When Kane decided to destroy the earth which man’ s
    wickedness had spoiled, he allowed Nu-u, the Righteous Man, to
    escape by building a great canoe with a house on it. He was told
    to take on board his wife, 6 other people (total 8 ) and all the
    animals he wanted, to await the great flood. The rains came, the
    oceans merged and all mankind perished. Eventually, as the
    waters subsided, the rainbow became a token of forgiveness, and
    Kane told Nu-u and his three sons to repopulate the earth.
    · Mexico: An old Toltec myth speaks of all the world drowning,
    except 8 men who escaped in a house like an enclosed ark. They
    called it “ Tlapitlipetlocalli” , and painted it on their rolls as a small
    boat with an awning on top, and 8 heads peering out. (Harold T.
    Wilkins, SecretCities of Old South America, p. 419)
    · China: In a Chinese Flood story, the hero escaped the
    destruction, together with his wife, three sons and three
    daughters. Total 8.
    And here is a fascinating aspect of ancient Chinese writing. It contains
    words that can be traced only to “Nu-Wah” and the Flood.
    For example, the ancient character for “ ship” (still printed in Chinese books
    and papers) is composed of the pictures for “ boat and “ 8 mouths” ,
    suggesting that the first ship was a boat carrying eight persons. (C.H. Kang
    and Ethel R. Nelson, The Discovery of Genesis. St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1979)
    From a study of the Chinese ideographic system of relaying written
    information, it is clear that there were thought to be eight survivors within
    both words for the Ark and the Flood itself.

    Noah’s “three sons”
    The biblical account speaks of Flood survivor Noah and his three sons,
    Japheth, Shem and Ham. (Genesis 7:13)
    · India: The hero of the Flood had three sons – Iyapeti, Sharma
    and C’ harma. (Compare these names with Japheth, Shem and
    Ham.)
    · Greece: Homer, in his Iliad, shows us that the Greeks likewise
    recollected three brothers. The Greeks trace themselves back to
    Japetos. (Compare that with the biblical Japheth.)
    · China: The Chinese Flood survivor likewise had three sons.

    Time of the year
    “… in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day
    were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of
    heaven were opened.” (Genesis 7:11)
    The season of the year in which this fearful event destroyed the human race
    was later commemorated worldwide. That season was the New Year
    festival, observed at the disappearance of the Pleiades, at the end of
    October or early November. (The first month of the ancient year fell in
    October, not January as it does today.)
    Davidson and Aldersmith have made precise calculations and conclude that
    the 17th day of the second month of Genesis corresponds to either
    October 30, 31, or November 1, of our Gregorian calendar. (D. Davidson
    and H. Aldersmith, The Great Pyramid: Its Divine Message. London: Williams and
    Norgate, Ltd., 1936, p.38) The Genesis year began at the Autumn equinox,
    in the Northern Hemisphere.
    The festival at this date was one of the most universal of all customs. It
    was observed in connection with THE MEMORY OF THE DEAD, or as a
    feast of the ancestors.

    At this time of the year, the memory of the dead was observed by
    - the Aborigines of Australia
    - savages of the Society Islands
    - the Hindus
    - the Irish
    - the Persians
    - the Celtic Druids
    and in places as WIDESPREAD as
    - Mexico
    - Egypt
    - Fiji
    - France
    - Peru.
    The DAY OF THE DEAD (our Halloween) was a commemoration of the
    MASS DISAPPEARANCE OF A LARGE PART OF THE WORLD’S
    INHABITANTS.

    Specific examples
    ._ In Mexico, “the festival of the dead” was held on November 17. They
    had a tradition that, at that time, the world had been previously
    destroyed. And they dreaded a repeat of it. (Ibid., p.25)
    ._ In Egypt, the 17th day of the Egyptian month Athyr, or Hathor (our
    November) was identified with the Festival of the Dead. In Egypt,
    Hathor was considered the “ angel of death” and was associated with
    the destruction of the earth by water.
    It appears that, originally, the 17th day of the second month of the
    original pre-Flood year was commemorated as the 1st day of the 1st
    month of the early Egyptian Calendar year. (That is, they calculated
    their new year from the date the Flood had begun.)
    But as time went on, the persistence of the tradition connecting the
    festival of the dead with the 17th day of the month, led to the adoption
    of the alternate Egyptian dating. Thus November 17 became an
    alternate date to November 1.

    This alternate dating (November 17) was used by certain cults in Egypt
    during Dynasties XII and XIX, in Ptolemaic Egypt.
    On this day, a priest would place an image of Osiris in a sacred ark
    and launch it into the sea, to disappear from sight. (John Urquhart, Modern
    Discoveries and the Bible. London: Marshall Brothers, 1898, pp.175ff)
    ._ The date November 17 also occurred in Romeas an alternative date to
    November 1.
    ._ The Hindus celebrate “Durga” , a festival of the dead. This was
    originally their New Year’ s Day and it was celebrated on November
    17.
    ._ The month of November was, in Persia, formerly called “ The Month
    of the Angel of Death.” They celebrated the feast of the dead at this
    time.
    ._ In Australia, Aborigines celebrated the festival of the dead in
    November, when the Pleiades is most distinct. This constellation was
    specifically worshipped as “ THE GIVER OF RAIN.”
    We have noted that the correct anniversary of the Flood was either October
    30, 31 or November 1 (although the fact that this was the “ 17th” on the old
    pre-Flood calendar did lead to celebrations on November 17, as well).
    Worldwide, however, the FESTIVAL OF THE DEAD is associated with a
    date generally ranging from October 31 (All Hallow’ s Eve, or Hallowe’ en)
    to November 2 (the modern All Souls).
    These traditions shared a common remembrance of the dead, which seems
    to commemorate some major calamity that overtook the human race.
    There are echoes of a perishing world and the rebirth of another.
    A definite connection appears to exist between this worldwide festival and
    the biblical record that the Great Flood began about the beginning of the
    ancient New Year (October-November): “… in the second month, the
    seventeenth day of the month.”

    The year
    In a previous work (Dead Men’ s Secrets) I dated the Flood and the rise of
    Egypt with its post-Flood sister civilisations, too early. At the time, I noted
    (page 349) that the month and day were more accurately determined. But
    the year, I suspected, could be subject to revision. New evidence confirms
    that this suspicion was well founded.
    According to the exhaustive research done by Davidson and Aldersmith,
    (p.438ff), the common astronomical chronology of the Hebrews, Egyptians
    and Babylonians defines that the Deluge occurred from 2345 to 2344 B.C.
    The astronomical chronology of the Hebrews and Egyptians defines that
    the Deluge began on November 1 (Gregorian calendar) and officially
    terminated on November 11 the following year.
    Davidson argues strongly that the independent histories of Egypt and
    Babylon can now be synchronised perfectly at all points of contact with the
    biblical history of Israel and even earlier dates can be correlated back to
    before the Great Flood.
    Chinese dates likewise make sense when compared to the Genesis account.
    In China it is told that a tremendous flood of devastating force occurred in
    approximately 2300 B.C.
    The Chinese sacred book of the Shu-king, translated by W. Gorn Old,
    speaks of Fu-hi. Notice the similarities to the Genesis record:
    The Bible Book of Shu-king
    When Noah emerged from the Ark,
    God used a rainbow as a sign of his
    new covenant with the human race.
    Fu-hi was “ born of a rainbow.”
    (Genesis 9:13-17)
    Noah saved in the Ark seven of each
    type of clean animal: from these he
    offered a sacrifice after the Flood.
    (Genesis 7:2; 8:20)
    Fu-hi bred and saved 7 kinds of
    animals to be used as a sacrifice.
    Noah was born 600 years before the
    Flood. (Genesis 7:6)
    The Epoch of Fu-hi began in 2944
    B.C. (600 years before 2344 B.C.)

    Earth’s axis tilted
    ._ Eskimos: The earth tilted violently before the Flood began.
    ._ Mexico: “ The earth shook to its foundations. The sky sank lower
    towards the north. The sun, moon and stars changed their motions.
    The earth fell to pieces, and the waters in its bosom uprushed with
    violence and overflowed… . The system of the universe was totally
    disordered. Man had rebelled against the high gods. The sun went
    into eclipse, the planets altered their courses.” (Harold T. Wilkins, Mysteries
    of Ancient South America. Secaucus, N.J.: Citadel Press, 1974, p.31)
    ._ China: The earth tilted violently before the Deluge. The sky suddenly
    began to fall northward. The heavenly bodies changed their courses
    after the earth had been shaken.
    ._ Egypt: The earth turned over. (The Harris Papyrus; the Hermitage Papyrus;
    the Ipuwer Papyrus)
    ._ Greenland(natives): When the Great Flood came, the earth capsized
    like a boat.
    ._ The Polynesians and Hindus also related this phenomenon.

    Earthquakes
    ._ Rome(Ovid, the poet): In the great Flood the earth “ shivered and
    shook” as the gods made “ an end to the race of men.” Soon “ there
    was no telling land from sea.”

    Underground basins burst forth
    ._ Mexico: The earth fell to pieces and the waters in its bosom uprushed
    with violence and overflowed.
    (Compare this with the biblical description: “ the fountains of the great
    deep were broken up.” ) (Genesis 7:11)

    Volcanic action
    Less universal than the Flood legends, though not less striking, are the
    reports of a Great Fire which swept the earth as part of the great cosmic
    catastrophe.
    Covered the mountains
    The Genesis account states: “… and all the high hills, that were under the
    whole heaven, were covered… and the mountains were covered.” (Genesis
    7:19,20)
    ._ Sumatra(the Battacks): The last human pair were knee-deep atop the
    highest mountain before the Flood subsided.
    ._ Celebes(the Toradjas): The Flood covered the highest mountain, until
    the only creatures that escaped were a pregnant woman and a pregnant
    mouse.
    ._ Peru: A terrific explosion and the world was plunged into darkness.
    Water rose to the height of the mountains.
    ._ Guatemala(Maya): Amid earthquakes and fiery eruptions, it rained
    tar with water. Then day became black night. Even the mountains
    disappeared under water.
    ._ North America(the Athapascan): “ Every day it rained, every night it
    rained… The sky fell, the land was not… The waters of the oceans
    came together. The waters completely joined everywhere… Trees
    and grass were not… Human beings and animals alike had been
    washed away… It was very dark.” (Alfred M. Rehwinkel, The Flood. St.Louis,
    Mo.: Concordia Publishing House, 1951, pp.131,132)
    - (Hopi): “Waves higher than mountains rolled in on the land and
    continents broke asunder and sank beneath the sea.” (Charles Berlitz,
    Mystery of Atlantis. St. Albans, U.K.: Panther Books, Ltd., 1979, pp.45-48 )
    ._ South America(Guarani Indians, east coast): The hero rode on a palm
    tree till mountains disappeared. Only when the waters touched the sky
    did the Flood stop. A heavenly bird beat its wings as a sign that the
    waters were abating.
    ._ China: The waters, “… in their vast extent, over-topped the great
    heights, threatening the heavens with their floods.” (J.Legge , tr. “Annals of
    the Bamboo Books” , vol. 3, part 1, of The Chinese Classics. Hong Kong, 1876)

    Duration of the Flood: a year
    ._ Romania: Gypsies tell the “ tale of the fish” : An old man was warned,
    “ Put your wife and family in a big boat to save yourself, for this rain
    will continue for a long, long time. Make room in the boat for animals
    and plants as well, for everything that is touched by the great flood
    will die. All creatures will die in the flood.” The floods continued to
    soak the earth for a year. Nothing but sky and water was seen. Even
    the birds had perished. When the rain stopped and the waters had
    abated, a full year had passed. When they left the boat, they found a
    different world waiting. Eternal life was no more. The old civilisation
    had vanished. Labour and sorrow, sickness and death, were now
    close.
    (Compare the biblical dates, showing that the Flood survivors were inside
    the Ark for a year.) (Genesis 7:11; 8:13,14)

    Birds sent out
    The Genesis record says: “And the waters decreased continually until the
    tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops
    of the mountains seen. And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that
    Noah opened the window… And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to
    and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. Also he sent forth
    a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the
    ground; But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned
    unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth:
    then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the
    ark. And he stayed yet another seven days; and again he sent forth the dove
    out of the ark; And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her
    mouth was an olive leaf plucked off: so Noah knew that the waters were
    abated from off the earth. And he stayed yet another seven days; and sent
    forth the dove; which returned not again to him any more.” (Genesis 8:5-12)

    ._ North America(the Arapaho): The entire planet was covered by
    water, until Arapaho ordered three ducks to dive down and bring up
    some dirt, whereupon the waters began to subside.
    ._ Greece: The gods warned of a great flood because of man’ s
    wickedness. A survival boat was built. It ultimately rested on a high
    mountain, and a dove was sent out twice.
    ._ Cuba: “An old man, knowing the deluge was to come, built a great
    ship and went into it with his family and abundance of animals; and…
    wearying during the continuance of the flood, he sent out a crow,
    which at first did not return, staying to feed on the dead bodies; but
    afterwards returned bearing with it a green branch.” (Rehwinkel, p.135)
    ._ Mexico: In the universal Flood, only one man saved himself in a
    spacious vessel with his wife, children, animals and grain. Later he
    sent out a vulture from the craft. Feeding on the carcasses which
    covered the earth, it did not return. But a humming bird flew back
    with a leafy branch. So, aware that vegetation was resprouting, the
    hero disembarked on a mountain.
    - another legend even mentions the dove that did not return, because it
    had found dry ground.
    ._ Chaldea: A history compiled by Berosus, a Chaldean priest, from
    Chaldean records and traditions relates details of the Great Flood.
    Xisuthras, the tenth king, was warned in a dream to build a ship, enter
    with his family and dearest friends, as well as provision it with food
    and drink, animals and birds. Toward the end of the Flood, in which
    all men died, he sent out some of the birds. These, finding no food or
    resting place, returned to the ship. Some days later, he sent them out
    again; this time they returned with their feel full of clay. The third
    time he released them, they returned no more. Xisuthras thus learned
    that the earth was bare. From an opening in the ship’ s roof he then
    saw that it had rested on a mountain. Disembarking, the company
    raised an altar and sacrificed to the gods. A voice told them that the
    country where they were was Armenia. Of the ship, portions still
    remain in the mountains. From the ruins, pilgrims scrape asphalt,
    which is used as a preservative against magic.

    Rainbow seen for the first time
    The Genesis account states that God told Noah and his three sons: “ I do set
    my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me
    and the earth… [that] the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all
    flesh.” (Genesis 9:13-15)
    · Hawaii: Finally, after leaving the rainbow as a token of his
    eternal forgiveness, Kane made the waters subside and told
    Nu-u and his three sons to repopulate the earth.
    · Guatemala: “And the rainbow appeared in the sky signifying
    that all below had been destroyed” (Mayan Book of Chilam Balam of
    Chumayel)
    · Australia: Many Aboriginal tribes have their Flood stories in
    which many people die, and the Rainbow Serpent is often
    associated with these Flood myths. In the Aboriginal
    Dreamtime myths, the serpent has the strange ability to control
    floods and rain. This stems from his connection with the one
    world Deluge. The Serpent’ s appendix “ Rainbow” certainly
    suggests that this is correct and automatically dates the
    creation stories of the Dreamtime with the Great Flood, as no
    rainbow is known earlier than this event.

    The rainbow is fairly well represented in most sources of mythology.
    If the pre-Flood world was watered by a mist, and if this situation
    prevailed until the time of the Great flood, then the rainbow would
    be unknown until the first rain fell at the time of the Deluge. Until
    that event, the meteorological phenomenon of the rainbow was
    something unprecedented in the skies of our ancient earth.
    As the rainbow is not mentioned until after the Flood, it is the
    indelible link and insoluble tie between the events of mythology and
    the Flood.
    Jonathan Gray
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    As The ARK has been found in the Mountains of Ararat and the
    Turkish Authorities has even build a Museum for this….
    it’s HARD to NEGLECT this event…


    Largo

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    Correct Boink...
    Of course there should be room for debating....

    BTW...
    Here's my OPINION IN THE DEBATE of the posts not giving verified DATA to support the claims in the posts...

    "AND before you DISCARD any of my posted stories again...
    please FEEL FREE to give SOME HARD EVIDENCE for that discarding...
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    ANYONE...Please FEEL FREE to DEBATE the point I'm making here...

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    Hey Largo .Thank you for confirming a few things I have read and believed ,
    all my life. Many things in the Bible have been proven by other sources.
    God said "Prove Me".And you aredoing that ,Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Largo
    Correct Boink...
    Of course there should be room for debating....

    BTW...
    Here's my OPINION IN THE DEBATE of the posts not giving verified DATA to support the claims in the posts...

    "AND before you DISCARD any of my posted stories again...
    please FEEL FREE to give SOME HARD EVIDENCE for that discarding...
    NOT just random opinions..."

    ANYONE...Please FEEL FREE to DEBATE the point I'm making here...

    Regards

    Largo
    I know that because there would be no other way. Debate brings awareness to all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boink
    I know that because there would be no other way. Debate brings awareness to all parties.
    Well said Boink...

    Maybe you've heard this statement...

    A Thesis ATTRACTS An ANTI-Thesis, when tending to AGREE...
    ...brings forward a SYNCHRONOUS Thesis...
    ...meaning something CONSTRUCTIVE to BOTH thesis...

    When tending to DIS-Agree...
    ...Brings forwatrd an ASYNCHRONOUS Thesis...
    ...meaning something DESTRUCTIVE to both Thesis...

    Take Care

    Largo

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    Hi! Boink,

    I like it.

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    I’ll tell you Folks,
    As many of you now have all the intention directed to the HALOTTO,
    It’s hard to get any other message through to you…
    BUT…I’ll try…no matter what!

    A BREAKTHROUGH HAS BEEN MADE!!!!!

    This IS happening…and it is HAPPENING right now as we speak…
    THIS IS the Paradigm Shift I’ve been talking about for 6 months now..
    Can you IMAGINE some of the following:

    NO mess of cables under you desk where you have your computer…

    NO cables need to be UNDERGROUND to connect your house to the
    Main Power Company….

    NO cables to be drawn to get your BROADBAND by Cable…

    NO cables drawn to get light in your house….

    NO gasoline needed for driving your car…

    NO FUEL needed to lift an airplane…

    NO Power Companies needed to distribute electricity…

    NO OIL-Countries needed to FUEL the world…

    Have I got your attention..?

    This Is happening RIGHT NOW…

    HOW…WHEN …WHAT…?

    I’ll give you a clue…

    Have you ever entered a PYRAMID SCHEME…?

    FOLKS…THE WORLD IS CHANGING..!


    To be continued…

    Largo
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    IMAGINE these scenarios…
    I’m looking at the NEWS on my HOLOGRAPHIC TV…
    The News Person is floating in the air in the corner of the room…
    In 3D, it looks really funny... just a head hanging there in the corner.

    I switch over to MY MUSIC and chose to view the Rolling Stones…
    In the opposite corner of the room a hologram with the Stones is floating in the air…
    showing the 1980 concert in Australia…
    I feel I have to get my friend Gnome on the line so we can view this together…
    SO…I push the button MY FRIENDS and in seconds I see Gnome in another Hologram…
    and equally, he can see me at his place…
    Now we can enjoy The Stones show together…
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    I’m out in the woods and it’s getting late...
    I have more than 10 miles to walk to get home.
    I decide to camp over night in the woods.
    It’s quite chilly so I pick my HEATING DEVICE
    out of my bag and turn it on…
    in just a few seconds it’s real warm
    in my camp and I pick up some bacon and eggs
    and put it on the Device and in one minute it’s
    ready to be consumed.
    THANKS GOD FOR THE NEW ELECTRICITY….
    WHAT would we do without it?

    I’m quite tired and I decide to hit the sack…
    I pick out my Sleeping Bag and crawl into it…
    I adjust the heating to 18 degrees Celsius…
    what WOULD ONE DO WITHOUT electricity
    HERE OUT IN THE WOODS…No people to find
    within miles and miles…
    Just ME.. the WOOD and the Animals within it…
    Not a building ..NO civilization…
    But Still I have the NEW ELECTRICITY…

    I’m tired.. but I can’t sleep…I start to think back…
    just 5years ago you couldn’t even BELIEVE what
    would occur and the CHANGE that at that time
    was just in the very beginning phase…
    At that time… one couldn’t drive a car more than
    40-50 kilometres without filling up with Gasoline…
    NOW one can drive a car WITHOUT for as long as you like…
    WITHOUT “filling her up”…thanks to the NEW Electricity…
    I’m thinking about all these Storms, Hurricanes,
    Earthquakes that went on and on at that time…
    It’s seems quite UNBELIEVABLE now, that there
    were persons who would stop for NOTHING to
    make a profit out of the OIL back then…
    ...even MURDER.

    I remember the words from my dear friend Boris
    from Russia when relaying what OUR Wise
    Boss…Igor N. Serov stated back then:

    “ Besides, as it follows from our talk with Mr. Serov, the key to settle
    all ecological problems of the world without exception is not the
    "Converter", but "Alternative Energy Generation Project Concept",
    since converters just stabilize geophysical conditions. The
    environment must be relieved from everyday discharge of billiards and
    billiards megawatt of energy, which appears in the result of complete
    disintegration of hydrocarbon energy resources with useful use of not
    more than 0.1%. Approximately 99% of the released energy is
    discharged, causing chaotic changes of all aspects of habitat, which
    sooner or later can lead to disastrous effects. This is the objective
    of primary importance. "Free" energy should be utilized by means of
    its transfer into maximum neutral condition or by means of its use for
    the needs of the civilization. That is why, from the vantage point of
    future disaster, it does not matter what is being disintegrated at a
    large scale - hydrocarbon fuel, water or Uranium239. The result is the
    same: oversaturation of the background space with energy, discharged
    into it, and, as a result, - disastrous changes of the habitat: from
    the disappearance of ozone layer to abrupt warming in the Equator area
    with a corresponding temperature lowering around poles, etc. To say
    nothing of chaotic atmospheric phenomena. Storms, hurricanes, floods
    will become natural in the places, where they have never been observed
    before. Besides, as a result of a sharp increase of the planet's
    energy potential as a whole, it will rotate faster and it will be
    shifted to a lower orb, regarding the Sun. And then according to John,
    the Evangelist "shall men seek death and shall not find it".

    These very words made the differens…NOW FINALLY a group of
    Highly Ethical and with High Integrity Persons DECIDED to fund
    such a project…DESPITE all the GREEDY LEAGUES creating
    disasters and horror at a scale never experienced before…

    Remember Sept 11 2001...?
    Remember the GULF WARS…?
    Remember the WAR AGAINST TERRORISM…?
    Remember the BATTLE OF JERUSALEM in 2007…?
    These INCIDENTS were all DESIGNED to happen…
    THE POWER ELITE of that time would not stop for NOTHING
    to get more PROFIT and more POWER…

    Fortunately they destroyed themselves in an attempt to STOP this vital
    project before it was TOO LATE…

    THANKS to these characters strive for PROFIT and POWER, they
    OUTPERFORMED THEMSELVES….AND…Instead…we now
    have FREE ELECTRICITY for all!

    And My Friends…I see this as REWARD from Ma Nature…
    Deep inside me I can still here the whispers from Ma Nature…
    “Heal Me…And I will REWARD Thee..”

    And that’s what actually has happened…
    WE nowadays don’t have to depend on
    ANY OIL,
    ANY NUCLEAR Power Plant,
    ANY GREEN POWER SUPPLY,
    ANY POWER COMPANY,
    ANY GOVERNMENT,
    ANY FINANCIAL GURU,

    I mean…we don’t depend on ANY AUTHORITY
    Than Mother Earth…
    for getting warm,
    for always having FUEL for our vehicles,
    for getting light in our house,
    for having a hot stove,
    for getting and staying connected to our dear ones…
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------
    Isn’t this just THE MOTHER LODE of a FUTURE SOCIETY…?
    You tell me…
    WE ARE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS RIGHT NOW…
    To be continued…
    Largo

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    Keep more rolling in Largo! There's room here as large as the universe and patience put together to absorb more while still waiting....for those funds in limbo.

    YB.

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