Thread: whats all the backslapping about ?

Know what buddy. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!! They do it to get their money and 'criminal activity' has little to do with it. I was in no way criminal and it was proven yet I still had to suffer the frozen accounts...
but how could I expect someone in your line of work to understand such a thing. It is not that I disrespect WHAT you do, it is that I believe a person in your situation has the responsibility to have an understanding of such things. I mean you no disrespect Sopranos, I just need to speak out about this.
Peace.

Originally Posted by sopranos

Well Everwiser, I'm glad you raised this point.........I do this for a living.I reposess things......I freeze peoples assets and bank accounts. I do it for banks, financial institutions, Goverments and the courts. Anytime someone or a corparation or buisness has funds frozen,The banks and governments will open up lines of communications in order to resolve the situation.The only time that they donot follow this policy, is if criminal activity has occurd and then it is left to the courts to decide.Sorry Everwiser, I could go on & on, But I think you get the picture. Anyway you have a great day Everwiser.

Originally Posted by wilder

Know what buddy. YOU ARE DEAD WRONG!!! They do it to get their money and 'criminal activity' has little to do with it. I was in no way criminal and it was proven yet I still had to suffer the frozen accounts...
but how could I expect someone in your line of work to understand such a thing. It is not that I disrespect WHAT you do, it is that I believe a person in your situation has the responsibility to have an understanding of such things. I mean you no disrespect Sopranos, I just need to speak out about this.
Peace.

Wilder: You are bang on, they do it to get their money.I never suggested that it was criminal, just that the lines of communications close up if it is criminal. I am real sorry that your accounts were frozen and that you had to suffer. This happens to people all of the time and sometimes through no fault of there own.(ie: divorces,identity theft etc) As for me not understanding, do you think my heart doesn't go out to those who I have to visit when its not their fault they are in the sitiuation that they are in? If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.
BTW what is meant by criminal activity is any proceed gained by drug dealers , fraud artists, theft etc etc.Any assests can be repossed if it was purchased with proceeds of crime. It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act.This also includes bank accounts, stock & bonds etc.I hope you understand Wilder, and again I'm sorry you had to go through what you did.Have a nice night.

I stand corrected. Perhaps I misread your comment previously. It does sound like your heart is in the right place and that you are indeed aware of the injustices that occur everyday in these situations.
Peace.

Originally Posted by sopranos

Wilder: You are bang on, they do it to get their money.I never suggested that it was criminal, just that the lines of communications close up if it is criminal. I am real sorry that your accounts were frozen and that you had to suffer. This happens to people all of the time and sometimes through no fault of there own.(ie: divorces,identity theft etc) As for me not understanding, do you think my heart doesn't go out to those who I have to visit when its not their fault they are in the sitiuation that they are in? If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.
BTW what is meant by criminal activity is any proceed gained by drug dealers , fraud artists, theft etc etc.Any assests can be repossed if it was purchased with proceeds of crime. It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act.This also includes bank accounts, stock & bonds etc.I hope you understand Wilder, and again I'm sorry you had to go through what you did.Have a nice night.

Originally Posted by sopranos

If you think that I have no understanding, I have many reciepts where I have lent total strangers money to help them out in their time of need. And you know, I have been doing this for 25 years now and have never had anyone reneg on paying me back.And of course no interest was ever charged.

You made sure to get receipts and made sure you had assurances of being paid back.....Hmmmm.....Ahem, sounds more like opportunistic business and less like heartfelt sympathy/charity to me...That's just me though...

Originally Posted by everwiser

You made sure to get receipts and made sure you had assurances of being paid back.....Hmmmm.....Ahem, sounds more like opportunistic business and less like heartfelt sympathy/charity to me...That's just me though...

How can it be opportunic buisness if no interest is charged back? I don't understand you comment and I don't appreciate it either........That's just me though...

Now everwiser, you are jumping to conclusions about a figure of speech.

One thing concerns me though Sopranos. It is this statement of yours

"It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act."

I do believe, in this country, the proof needs to come from the prosecution that a criminal activity has taken place, not from the defendant to prove himself innocent, no?

Let's not lose sight of this. It is fundamentally important to us.
Peace.

Originally Posted by wilder

Now everwiser, you are jumping to conclusions about a figure of speech.

One thing concerns me though Sopranos. It is this statement of yours

"It is then up to the individuals charged with a crime to then prove in court that the assets were not purchased with the proceeds from a criminal act."

I do believe, in this country, the proof needs to come from the prosecution that a criminal activity has taken place, not from the defendant to prove himself innocent, no?

Let's not lose sight of this. It is fundamentally important to us.
Peace.

Once criminal charges are laid and the defendant is found guilty he then has to prove that the repossesed assets were not purchased from the proceeds of a crime.In alot of cases the assets are investigated by the authorities and anything they deem purchased by proceeds of crime are then repossesed and held by the courts at the same time as the charges are laid.If they are proved to be innocent they get the possessions back.If they are guilty they must prove that they were not purchased by proceeds of crime.

Thank you for clarifying that for me Sopranos. I was really worried for a moment.

Originally Posted by sopranos

How can it be opportunic buisness if no interest is charged back? I don't understand you comment and I don't appreciate it either........That's just me though...

I didn't quite look at it that way; I apologize for reading you incorrectly.

My first impression was that you had handled things as if they were a business deal, i.e. receipts, repayment, etc. In my mind, charity is that which is given regardless of any promise or expectation of repayment. It was from this thinking I drew my initial conclusion. Once again, I apologize.

everwiser

Originally Posted by sopranos

Kevo...........Things aren't all that they should be...............positive towards further investigations of pipsinc findings...............further investigation are only done when we have strong reason to believe not good conduct of buisness. I have never seen any of this posted in any responses from bon before as you stated. I quote "This is essentially the same response as was given from Bon about 2 or 3 months ago". I think it was a little more indepth than the first response.

First of all this means nothing to me... nothing. All this says to me is the investigation found "something" and now they are moving on to the next step in the process which is to submit their findings to the prosecutors office to determine if the alledged findings are substantial enough to justify legal action, which was implied on the previous. And like i said this all means nothing at this point. For all we know PipS Inc. has broken or bent some operational regulations and may have to pay some fines. But I don't gather even a hint that this investigation has found anything implicating PIPS or BM in any criminal activity or corruption.

Originally Posted by sopranos

As for Bryan, He has made mistakes no doubt about it.But Buisness is Buisness and freindship and buisness donot go hand in hand.I entered into this as a buisness as Bryan did also when he took the investors money. It had nothing to do with any freindships. Why do certain people in this forum always try to turn it back to our credibility (members)? The only thing we did was invest in a buisness proposal. We kept up our end of the deal when we turned our money over.

This part of your post I don't understand as it relates to my original topic. The freindship part lost me.