BRYANS ANSWER 7-feb-06! - MAREK

I rarely post on this Forum but in light of what has been written in the last several days
I feel it is necessary to forward an e-mail that I received from a friend I met in Chicago, IL at a local PIPS Meeting. She has contacts with some of the Pioneer members and in whose opinions I value highly. Read the following and give what is contained some deep thought.

Al Manz


“We can all read the same things and hear the same words, yet draw totally different information from these. So read this and understand that even though Marek wrote exactly what he thought he heard on the phone and we are all reading what he thought he heard there are a lot of different conclusions being drawn from it. There may be one or many that are correct. Bottom line is, we will not know the answer until it is possible for the authorities to give a full explanation without trying to protect themselves. Bank Nagara is protecting themselves. Therefore whatever information they give or withhold is for their benefit and not for the benefit of Bryan or PIPS/PicPay.

Just my slant on all this information/lask of information.

Have a fantastic week,
Jody

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Subject: PIPS Update 2/7/06

From Jim Blessing:

Marek, administrator of the ROLCLUB made a call to the Bank in Malaysia regarding the status of the investigation. Here is the result of that call. Before anyone jumps to conclusions, read the following two post. One made by Torso, a member of the ROLCLUB and the other by Thumper of DBR. Both bring a good balance to the Mark's post:
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Marek Q and A with BoN on the Phone

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Hi

I did take the liberty to call BoN myself as I was tired of all the rumors. Here is what I got.

I was put back and forth between people in the bank, before I was put over to Mr. Maslan (pardon me, not sure how to spell the name).

I introduced myself as the administrator Of Rolclub, and told a little about what Rolclub stands for. When he was made aware of this. He answered a few questions.

1) Q. Can you tell me what the status of the investigations is?

A. We are nearly done with the investigations.

2) Q. What is the result of your investigation? Or what have you found so Far?

A. We have reason to believe that things arent all as they should be, and therefore have our Deputy officer to review the findings, before we send it to the public prosecutor. BoN is now positive twards further investigations of pipsinc findings. And further investigation are only done when we have Strong reason to believe "not good conduct of business."

3) Q.When will we get more information on what happends to pips, and its investors money.

A. I dont know. It might take some time still, as the findings has to go through several places. We can not share information on this time because of our laws. We have to abide by them.

4) Q. Will you soon update your website with the latest Information?

A. Our legal department has asked us to not share or post to much information about Pips on the Web. When the investigations are done, we will send the update to our public/media department, that will issue an statement.


This is all I got before MR.Maslan had to leave.

Regards

Marek admin Rolclub.com


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Reason - Information - Disinformation

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When there is a storm outside you can't really hear the voice of reason or the voice of the gentle heart.

Two posts reflects the above; first Tors (tmaa) excellent post:

1. As to the information from the BN official about possible "bad conduct of business", that has in my opinion to be taken for what it is worth. A statement from someone whose job it is to do nothing, but look for such issues.

2. If these issues had been crystal clear in PIPS disfavor I am pretty sure that BN would have done something about it a long while ago. The fact that they are still spending time on it can be taken as an indication that they have not yet been able to come up with anything substantial.

3. The fact also remains that not until their findings have been heard by a court of law and not until the court has ruled on the issue, can anyone, including BN, have a valid and legal opinion about this.

4. Finally, how can it be that an official representative from the Swedish Embassy in KL recently contacted BN and was told that they had concluded their findings and a report was on its way to the Malaysian Attorney General. Its strikes me as very peculiar to put it politely, that information from the same office can be so contradicting.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are strong forces behind this, much stronger forces than BN. To me it looks like BN is merely a pawn in this nasty game and that is also why they are dragging their heels and giving all sorts of different information.

Until we have the final say from the court, however, everything remains the same.

Regards Tor
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Further: how come BoN in the first place gives us any information under an ongoing investigation? What is the effect of BoN:s "default" statement, "reason to believe.", "bad conduct of business."? First, they justify their investigation and secondly they most effective point at Bryans direction as being the one to blame for this hole mess! They have no interest, what so ever, having 150000 members from everywhere initiate legal action.

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The second post I want put forward is from a four star information general, Thumper from former DBR!

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Hey club, What's up?

I know that this post may not make me very popular between the negative posts and the silence of Bryan, but please hear me out. Bryan doesn't have a stronger supporter than me, but please hear me out.

Most of you know that I went to Malaysia in May, just a few weeks before Gary and Warren resigned. I had several good conversations with several managers, Gary, Bryan, Sharon, Warren, and many of the "girls" that we all talked to on the phones. Things were already in pretty bad standing. Warren had come in wanting to make a lot of changes because he had no idea how many problems were cropping up all over the world. The first day in his office there were three new C&D orders from different US States, one from Canada and one from another country, New Zealand I believe though don't quote me on that. I remember also hearing the name "Queen Beatrice" if that rings any bells...

The gist of a lot of those conversations was that PIPS and it's subordinate companies were working in different jurisdictions all over the world. Imagine, if you will, taking on a project like that and trusting certain people to ensure that in absolutely every jurisdiction the company operated in, it kept track of every little change to applicable laws and immediately complied with all of them.

An example given in Gary's office was this: Bryan wanted to ensure that he could help as many people as he possibly could. Pioneers will remember that in the early days, people who lived in Malaysia could not participate because of some kind of laws about that kind of program operating out of their own country. By using some kind of structure in another country (Panama I believe) he was able to allow some of these to participate. Syed, the PIPS attorney who many of us met prior, had already left PIPS to study international law, but it was his understanding that this would be a lasting structure. According to Warren (the example given in Gary's office) this was an international no-no and should not have been attempted.

There were several things that Warren alluded to but didn't name and I won't even make a guess as to what all they added up to, but basically, he said that he couldn't believe the incoming surge of little problems coming in from so many jurisdictions. He said that ALL of them could be overcome and corrected, but some things had to be changed in order for that to happen. Some of them that he mentioned were things that were all over the old forums: closing new memberships, closing the forums, decreasing the benefits of PIPS and so on. He said that he had handed over thick, lengthy documents supporting all of these arguments to Bryan, and shortly after June we saw the forums go away.

While no one supports Bryan more than I do, I can say that communication isn't his strong suit, even when he's allowed to speak. I believe, and will continue to believe, that he is not allowed to speak right now. Until the investigation is over, I don't believe that anyone is legally able to speak about inconclusive results.

I believe that PIPS as a company had some short-comings. I believe that Bryan tried to do too much on his own and didn't delegate nearly enough. I believe that Bryan micro-managed the entire thing to death. This inefficiency early caused problems later on and when he had to depend on people like ... well, we won't name names... but when he finally did release some responsibility to others to ensure proper compliance in all of those jurisdictions that he was trying to operate in...he got let down. There is no doubt they were swamped, they didn't really get their reigns until it was ALMOST too late and when they did, they didn't do enough. They had enough money and could have got a lot more staff but not enough was done too late in the game to sort it all out.

I believe these things because they were discussed face-to-face with me. I also believe that Bryan has some aces in the hole. I have reason to believe that. Don't ask.

Bottom line is, I believe in Bryan and what he started out trying to do. I believe that he is capable of winning the war though there may be a few "not good conduct" battles that he will certainly lose. He Gary and Warren told me that, though not exactly in those words.

More than all of this, I believe that if we give up on Bryan now, the Negativity generated by hundreds of thousands of people will collectively be the end of what we all have worked and hoped for. Please don't give up on Bryan. Please have the faith, equivalent to a mustard seed, and if you can't believe that he WILL WIN, then at least believe that there is a CHANCE that he MIGHT WIN.

Please don't give this any negative energy. Instead, pray, or whatever you might call it in your belief system, with a sincerely open heart...put forth your positive "prayer," "energy" or whatever and then ask the question of what will happen without worry.

Many people have heard me say that everything happens for a reason, but I don't believe that Bryan brought us all to this point to lose. Let's win this. Help Bryan by giving him your good thoughts and energies and wait it out. Once the investigation is over we will see what the true findings are and whether or not the general population is making mountains out of ant-hills.

Give Bryan a chance. Some feel that they have already given him a chance but if you look at how slow the legal system is and how many jurisdictions they have to investigate (at least 72 that I know of) and all applicable laws, you would KNOW that it's going to take a while longer.

You have absolutely nothing MORE to lose by doing this and everything to gain if we are successful COLLECTIVELY by waiting and giving good energies.

v/r

Thumper”

Sounds like you all are a bunch of cry babies. Leave the man alone so he can do his job. If it was me, I would say to hell with you all and come home.

Bill
6bigbill3

We are all adults

Hounding Bryan is not going to get things done any faster, hounding the different officials is not going to get things done any faster.

If you want to play in the big pond you have to understand there is a risk that the big fish will want what you own. They may take what is yours and there may be nothing we can do, one because we are small and inexperienced, two because it was successful and most are jealouse when others are successful. Hopefully we can learn from this experience.

Like many of you I put in considerable funds and I should be reaping great rewards, sadly I am not, however I came into this with eyes open and I am an adult.

If there is any chance of recovery it will be because we are patient and do not cause any more grief than has already been caused by those who caused this to happen, or those that are delaying the process from being completed.

This is not the first internet group to be shut down while being investigate and I am sure it will not be the last. The greater the reward the higher the risk. If you want safe secure investments invest in savings bonds at 2.5 percent per YEAR.

Lets get on with our lives and allow the process to finish, for the better or the worse.

I personally am sick of hearing the whining, and although I want to be kept informed I would like to be kept informed by adults not cry babies who want to force a situation that can not be forced.

I will be thankful and greatful if it gets resolved and I get something out of this. Hounding Bryan will not resolve it or get us any closer to resolution.

Ladies and gentlemen let us act like mature adults, be thankful that someone had the guts to try and gave us an opportunity for gain. Have faith that it will be resolved or accept that it is gone and get on with your life.

Personally I will continue to have faith

Regards to you all

(Nobody is more frustrated and tired than me, I have had to live with a begging bowl for the past 6 months. With no access to any money at all, without a home, transport or a job. )

so how are you hosting this HALOTTO crap then? only programers cost money even if it only takes a week or so to set up it still a fair wedge of dosh...

I want to state my support for Marek and my support for Bryan. Bryan, I know it doesn't seem like it but we all want you to be successful. We also have no idea what you're going through. If you could just give us a scheduled update, I'm sure the rhetoric will die down. A weekly or bi-weekly report will help thinks greatly. . . even if it's just to say, "Today's update is that there's nothing new to report."

Almanzi, I do appreciate your sharing this information with us. It is true that sometimes we can not see the forest for the trees. We are all disappointed with Bryan's communication.....now we need to get beyond that and give him all the encouragement we can muster. Obviously some things are beyond his control right now.

Marek you are appreciated also!

Encouraged.....
mgonfshn

Quit harassing Bryan... let him do his job!

Stop And Think Every One!!!!!!
We All Saw 2% Compounded And Got Greeded Thinking Like A 2 Yr
Old That We Were Going To Be Rich And Never Have To Work Again
When Deep Down We Knew There Is Little Chance Such A Plan
Could Exist Very Long. So------get A Life.
Nothing We Do Will Likely Have Any Effect On The Situation!!!!
With That I Bid You A Goodnight And Pray For The Best

Does anyone ever think that this whole thing with months of pressure could have sent Mr. Bryan into depression? You find it hard to communicate when you are depressed, especially if you do not have the news everyone is waiting for. So, Cool it! and let everything take its course, Pray for the man and yes, start a fund and all of you contribute something. :thumbsup:

almanz1 , what a fantastic post, it should be put as a first on a seperate thread, to get those pples heads and minds together again.


Thanks man, that was really a great read and makes a lot of sense.


cheers

necromancer

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Originally Posted by skorgemi

Quit harassing Bryan... let him do his job!

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You are definitely right. This is madness house. Mods are not in control. We got a lot of Pips enemies stirring up a fire.
Bashing Bryan and accuse him of lot of things, when well know he is working hard to conclude current situation. He is working for us and instead helping him we are doing opposite.

Most over here, are getting out of control and lost their mind thinking that they can force BNM to released any money. That is total BS.

Bryan:

Thanks for all of your efforts, your sacrifices and your exceptional ("super human") perseverance for all of those who have been involved with PIPS.

It is time (actually way PAST time) for all of us who were so "supportive" of you , Sharon and PIPS when we initially joined to show what loyalty and support REALLY is.

Reputation is what you do when everyone is watching. Character is what you do when no one is watching. I honestly believe that your reputation is congruent with your character.

It appears that that is not the case with many of those who were on your side "when all was going well" but suddenly when things did not go as they expected or "would have liked", their "allegiance, loyalties and possibly "ethics" were challenged and perhaps their true character evolved.

When all is over, whenever that is, what remains that will be important and "lasting" is not how much we have "benefitted" monetarily; but how we traveled this journey together; what was our true character and how we molded who we really are in the difficult "opportunities and decisions" in our lives.

I say difficult; which is truly relative. I would have to comment, at this time (somewhat "assuming") that NO ONE HAS TRULY "SUFFERED" (from a personal, emotional and possibly financial perspective) as you and Sharon have; primarily, ON OUR BEHALF. EVERYONE was informed and "warned" that the "loans" that were provided to PIPS would be of high risk and NOT to loan those monies to PIPS if in fact , losing them would put one in a very difficult and precarious financial situation.

I beseech all those that have been involved with PIPS to exercise patience, loyalty and "calmness in this period of stormy seas" and not only allow Bryan to continue his efforts on our behalf but also to exhibit and return to him the loyalty, support and allegiance that he so deserves.

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Originally Posted by newlife

You are definitely right. This is madness house. Mods are not in control. We got a lot of Pips enemies stirring up a fire.
Bashing Bryan and accuse him of lot of things, when well know he is working hard to conclude current situation. He is working for us and instead helping him we are doing opposite.

Most over here, are getting out of control and lost their mind thinking that they can force BNM to released any money. That is total BS.

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Newlife stop ***** yourself.I got out of control myself waiting for your "good news" coming soon.Finally this forum is what it should be a way to find info about our loans .The truth about PIPS is more important than ones ego.Its about time for members to know something POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.

I am fairly new to PIPS and Rolclub. I have posted only one other reply. None of us are there so we can not speculate. If Bryan is working on it then let him do so. If we wanted to do anything about it, an attorney would not be the answer. I think a better course of action IF we took any, would be to contact the agency or whomever has jurisdiction over BON. They would be the one's to contact. Maybe BON is just delaying this to hold all the funds? But who knows, thats just more speculation. If Bryan says hes working on it, then as a new investor I am willing to wait. On a personal note, some of the things I have read in here make me not want to be a part of this. Too much speculation and finger pointing. Just an observation. I too am waiting, and also giving my blessing and praying for Bryan. Thank You

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Great Newstead and anyone else behind Bryan 100%. I posted my views on some of the recent speculation last night here:

http://www.rolclub.com/showthread.php?t=5692&page=7

I do, however, get conflicting information from different sources. There has been good information on Rolclub and I'm certainly not going to disrespect Rolclub or it's administration for everything that they are trying to do. At the same time, I think it may be that Mareck might check into the source of the e-mail that he received.

The name of the bank is "Bank Negara" which is the central bank of Malaysia. It is not called the "Bank of Negara" and Bryan has never before referred to it as "BON" or BoN" until this e-mail. He always refers to it as "BN," just as they do themselves. Little though this may seem, I think it's enough of an inconsistency to search the origins of this e-mail to see if it truly came from Bryan himself.

v/r

Thumper

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Thumper,
I took your suggestion and went back and looked at several posts by bryan. There is something funny about this email. I seriously doubt that it came from him.

I put alot of stock in what you have posted. The simple reason is because if anybody has a right to attack Bryan it would be you. Yet you stand for his integrity. As i have stated that means alot. You have met the man out side of conventions. Outside of the "circus" atmosphere. Any body can act for a short period of time, but when they are home in their surroundings all the masks come off and the real person emerges.

Is there a way to check to see if this email really came from Bryan? It seems to me that if he truly had no home, just a begging bowl and no transportation, he would have stated this along time ago to beef up the collections on that were being done on his behalf.

It's been said before: if you put in more than you can afford to lose, and you're having financial troubles now, it's your own fault. I agree.

I've lost about $1500 of my own cash I could use it now, but I knew I was putting it at risk. The worst part of this is that the hope of my wife being able to quit her job is dashed-at least for now.

I've come to believe that BM and company lined their own pockets for as long as they could. Why do I believe that? Because there are businesses out there that have essentially the same pay model as PIPS, but are actually paying, and have been for several years. The key is that they pay as promised, on a scheduled day. That's one place PIPS got into trouble-no specific withdrawl date. (At least, that's my understanding.)

As far as supporting BM and company, I won't until there is an acquittal. I can't in good faith support someone who may be guilty. If they are acquitted, I would put up some funds for attorney's fees, if I could. In the meantime, Bryan is going to have to get a job just like the rest of us.

As far as communication from them, they don't have to answer our questions. They can if they choose to, but remember, what they say can come back to haunt them.

The BoN doesn't owe us any explanations. The more time they spend trying to appease our anger, or fears is less time for actually finding out what's going on. We don't have a "right" to any information until there's an indictment released, or the charges have been dropped.

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Originally Posted by kalpota

Newlife stop the BS yourself.I got out of control myself waiting for your "good news" coming soon.Finally this forum is what it should be a way to find info about our loans .The truth about PIPS is more important than ones ego.Its about time for members to know something POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.

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First, you will never get good news if you pursue with action that would not give you any results.

You are fooling yourself if you are hoping that BNM will give you any answers.

Bryan is only one that will finish what he promise. Why you would be so stupid and destroy all good what is done so far. Sure is a lot of time past but nobody can speed it up, so leave to Bryan get answer.

His is working alone, with no help, and on this side we got bunch nervous members that lost patience.

Do you want Pips stay alive? If you do than stay put for little longer or kiss it goodby. Which one you want?

MareK, yes, you did the right thing. It's our money afterall, where is it? It's been 6 months now. Thanks for trying.

Qoute By Thumper: You have absolutely nothing MORE to lose by doing this and everything to gain if we are successful COLLECTIVELY by waiting and giving good energies.

DiTTO!!!!!

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Originally Posted by newlife

First, you will never get good news if you pursue with action that would not give you any results.

You are fooling yourself if you are hoping that BNM will give you any answers.

Bryan is only one that will finish what he promise. Why you would be so stupid and destroy all good what is done so far. Sure is a lot of time past but nobody can speed it up, so leave to Bryan get answer.

His is working alone, with no help, and on this side we got bunch nervous members that lost patience.

Do you want Pips stay alive? If you do than stay put for little longer or kiss it goodby. Which one you want?

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I can't believe the state of RolClub lately. Where are all the rational thinkers. Have all the sensible people been kidnapped. So many praising the activity that Bryan emphatically warned against. The membership seems to be in free fall and the naysayers are feeding on it. God help us.

This is my very first post here and I cannot believe the insensitivity, the lack of knowledge or understanding about running a business, far less dealing with the banking fraternity.

Firstly, we all went into this with our eyes wide open. If you had yours shut, then too bad. I don't feel at all sorry for you. You KNEW it was a risk, as are all things in life.l If you put yourself at risk, then why blame anyone else.

Secondly each country has its own way of dealing with their internal matters to do with commerce. If you live in my country, Australia, then you will know just how corrupt the whole system is starting with the judiciary and finishing with the councils who set themselves up illegally. Not to mention the government and Parliamentarians who spend their time feathering their own nests rather than representing the will of the people.

Thirdly, the banks! If you haven't worked out yet that they are also corrupt and owned by very interesting organisations - why not do a quick check! These organisations are not about to allow a lot of money get out of their hands without a fight. Politicians in the States have tightened up the whole shebang and called it Protection from Terrorism for us! Ha! By holding onto this money they can actually use it for trading for their own benefit. I am assuming you realise that your money was no doubt tied up with some form of institution such as a Trust or Bank! Why don't you check who owns the major banks! You may get a surprise.

I have spent the past year helping a friend bring some money of hers into this country. It is a LOT of money. We have been privy to the subterfuge, conivances, and cheating, fraudulent practises of some of these so-called reputable banks. It is terrifying. You think your money is safe in a bank. Better check the fine print! Let me know if you find even one which honours their word.

Lastly, you have been given an opportunity to learn and experience the sort of thing which happens in this crazy world of ours first hand when you deal with money and loans. It is not always the person who told you about it who is at fault. Indeed, there are usually many players in this game. Learn to play the game, or live with it is usually the best course of action.

But please stop the whining! It doesn't do your credibility much good nor does it help anything. You sound like children.

Things WILL change. I can promise you that, based on the study of history! I can also tell you that the future can be foretold in some cases by various means, as is has been done in the past. Changes are happening and more are about to happen for us all. The winds of change are blowing hard. If not yet, then we have to learn to live with it and accept and get on with our lives. Simple as that.

By the way, I am not well off either, with just a pension to show for my work effort with partners and husbands, but I am not complaining about it. In fact I am lucky in a way, as I still have access to a computer and the internet and have friends and live a simple life. Sure, it is a different life to what I expected, but it may be good training for what is to come. Makes you appreciate the good times, doesn't it!
Lizhealth
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i think u all should just stop moaning and groaning... face the facts, pips is dead! there is no money, all gone! been spent on pips bistros, pips coffe house, fasion etc! so move on guys!

Thank Marek for your insistant. Bryan need to be very true and transparent in this... as LOTS of people is pinning their hope in him and for the coming future.

But look Marek, if majority of the pipster rised up to force Bryan to the edge, he may run and may be left with nothing at all. Let's give him a benefit of a doubt, if he say he is busy 36hours, let it be.

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Rolo Club. Please don't mess this pips thing up for us again. It is going to take however long it is going to take to get it up and running. I for one say back off and let it work. I to have money in it and do not want to loose it all because someone is impatient and causes new investigation or new problems. Please stop.

To: Bryan
I agree with you wholeheartedly, that people who cannot wait and dip their nitty finger by contacting BON, could give them feeling of adamant to the resolution of the case. The more that they will have to waith further end keep looking at PIP's serious fault fault and offenses.

On the other hand, the long gap from the latest up-date has also put everyone's nerve edgy.

Anyway, bottomline for me Bryan is that I will really go with you all the way. And I still believe that resolution is near in sight if only we don't butt-in and pry on where we should not.

My prayers will always include you and Sharon.

All the best wishes,
Actionman


TO: Admin (Marek)

Your enthusiasm to get an up-date for the sake of PIPs members is well-taken. But the idea, I believe is uncalled for since the investigative process is on-going. It may seem that you are losing hope, and want to drag others to negativism.

All I can say is whoa, stop... this is not the time to lose hope. Not the time to pry on (even if it involves PIPs members.) BON has a law to follow. Whatever, info they have given you lately is not official. So, let us not rock the boat while the wave is still restless.

Let us all keep calm otherwise, our endorphins will not function to the hilt. Nevertheless, the thought of Marek trying to be somewhat of help is greatly appreciated I'm sure.

And next time, we are 1 mistake wiser NOT TO pry into the case, if we don't have any solution to provide for an early resolution.

More power to rolclub for its website services.

Sincerely,
Actionman

The best thing that is good for everyone is just keep calm and settle down. No use bickering, speculating, and opinionating as it won't do any good.

We have all reach this point of waiting patiently... why be impatient now? I don't know BM and vis a vis. But for sure all his moves are for the betterment of all PIPs member (even those who are getting negative and suffering from lost hope and anxiety.)

Let us all focus on the positive outcome. A united telepathic wave from all of us toward the mind of BON directors may do wonder. At 12 midnight tonight, I will meditate and perform positive telepathic positive message to BON directors to wrap up the case positively in favor of PIPs and BM. If we all do it simulteneously I might work wonders.

Give it a try tonight.

Thank you Marek for looking into the situation.

The reality is that PIPS was to have been an investment opportunity. It is an investment that has sadly failed to date.

People have the proven tendency to hold onto a loss more the larger it becomes.

This is my first post. I don't even know why I felt the need to write it. I just honestly believe that all our "prayers" and "energies" (words used by other members of ROL club in favor of Bryan Marsden) be properly directed to each other, the members left who are at a loss due to the ineffective performance of the PIPS plan.

This has nothing to do with my personal opinions of PIPS. Put PIPS in the background and move forward. If it comes back as a viable program then YIPPEE. But for now I hope the people who invested thier $$$ and dreams quit trying to take their frustrations out on each other.

Marek....u did right by calling BoN yourself....as u stated,rolclub and this forum is about keeping the people of pips....fellow pipsters as informed as can b....i joined in feb. of 2005..... i have heard the word"""SOON"""...used by Bryan or some of his crusaders like Newlife till i'm blue in the face....i'm beginning to beleve ""SOON"" to people like them is when they r ready or satisfied....i for one applaud ur decision...keep up the good work for the benefit of the pipsters....have a nice day...Pat

I have and this seems just like it was the first time in 1999. Some people get some money up front and tell every body. Hey I got my withdraw! Great! Then we wait and what happens next, here come the feds. And the whole thing goes away! Good by,money. But I knew going in that this might be the case and I did not put in money that I could not do without. Live and learn! If Bryan is staarving, I don't believe. Can anyone answer that question? Come On! Please give me a good answer.

For mrlover, on the opening page of the Pips site everyone was admonished that is always a risk and not to invest money you cannot afford to lose. So it is not BM's fault if you are in that situation.

This is totally amazing to me! Marek did the one thing that TOTALLY needed to be done. He wanted information that we all needed as well. Then all the posts of: "You shouldn't invest more than you can afford to lose," and yet another person posts, "it's not an investment, it's an unsecured loan!" So which is it? One of the most ridiculous statements and subsequent replies were those that mentioned "outside intervention" to keep the little guy down! Why is it every thread and it's posts always get spun, twisted and make quantum leaps of conclusion jumping based on nothing? And finally, the post that says, "you don't go to a Casino and then expect to always win and never lose... blah blah blah..." Have we lost anything because of investments gone bad? If so, was it all lost in 1 day?

The thing NOBODY is saying here is this: The day before the servers were confiscated and the site went down (August 15,2005), ALL OF OUR ROL WAS SHOWING MONEY IN IT! According to our ROL, we didn't lose a dime and in fact, also according to our ROL, we were all money ahead, and some of us, like me, were $500,000.00 + ahead (I have $41,000 at stake here). I, unfortunately didn't get to withdraw any, but NOBODY was even at a break even! So if our money is/was there, how can those of you that say, "it's a risk of loss, blah blah blah..." On August 15, 2005 my ROL wasn't showing a loss, was anybody else's? Again, was it all lost the next day or is it still there? Or another possibility is, it never was there, which I don't want to think about... that would devestate me! Dear GOD, I hope and pray that isn't the case.

I am a supporter of Bryan and his vision and everything else and will NOT cast a stone in his direction whatsoever, but to lambast Marek, in my opinion, was dead wrong and pretty astonishing! Bryan, like all of us, is human and makes mistakes. Marek, like all of us is human too, and deserves a public apology, since he was scolded publically.

If Bryan is unable to tell us what is going on because he can't, by gag order, or because he has been instructed as such (as he has stated in many posts) is one thing. That doesn't mean we don't have the right to be informed from any other source other than from Bryan? I have said this in a previous post, what if, GOD forbid (and I mean this with all my heart), Byran had a heart-attack and died? Does that mean we would never know or be allowed to know the information about all of this?

From the investigation standpoint, if everything is OK and there was no wrong doing, then INFORMATION DOES NOT NEED TO BE HIDDEN! and Bryan should want us to know the things he is not allowed to tell us. That would be great news and would form a wonderful solidarity between us all, and then we could be impatiently waiting with the knowledge that we will get our money and it is not gone!

If there was some wrong doing somewhere along the line, then it probably wouldn't be good information to get out to the investors, unsecured loaners or whatever the hell you want to call us. The reason for not contacting BN (Bank Negara) or BOM (Bank of Malaysia, which are totally interchangeable terms by the way, but BON isn't correct... just to argue symantics) given is because it will slow up the investigative process. I seriously doubt that Marek's call brought the investigation to a screeching halt!

As I said earlier, I support Bryan and what he has done and hopefully is doing, but getting pissed at Marek is just as ridiculous as the guy who comes home early from work and catches his wife in bed with his boss, and the boss gets pissed and fires him for leaving work early!

I think Marek did the right thing, because somebody had to get us, the actual PIPS membership some answers. Bryan is an important man, but he isn't more important than any one of us individually, let alone collectively as human beings. Each of us has the same value and we shouldn't be raising a man, a great man perhaps, to the level of someone to be worshiped or followed unconditionally. Only GOD gets that from me!

Even the greatest man in the world is just a man, and as such has human frailty and as all humans, we are sinners... not deities. I will trust and believe in my fellow man with all my heart, until given a reason not to do so. So far, and I hope it never comes to this, I trust and believe in what Bryan is all about. The bottom line, whomever the information comes from is irrelevant, as long as it is the truth. We all deserve and have the right to the truth. We all deserve, and have the right to KNOW!

Geo

How do you know that is from Bryan? His emails are usually written in a better grammatical style than that one.

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How do you know that is from Bryan? His emails are usually written in a better grammatical style than that one.

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Yep, I agree. There are several things about that email that seem funny. I am not convinced that email was from BM.

Keep up the work Bryan, we're with you!! I can't believe some people who say they'll loose their homes, cars jobs and families because of pips. What is wrong with this picture, if they've invested that heavily in pips what were they thinking. Our prayers are with you Bryan God Bless Reg

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This is totally amazing to me! Marek did the one thing that TOTALLY needed to be done. He wanted information that we all needed as well. Then all the posts of: "You shouldn't invest more than you can afford to lose," and yet another person posts, "it's not an investment, it's an unsecured loan!" So which is it? One of the most ridiculous statements and subsequent replies were those that mentioned "outside intervention" to keep the little guy down! Why is it every thread and it's posts always get spun, twisted and make quantum leaps of conclusion jumping based on nothing? And finally, the post that says, "you don't go to a Casino and then expect to always win and never lose... blah blah blah..." Have we lost anything because of investments gone bad? If so, was it all lost in 1 day?

The thing NOBODY is saying here is this: The day before the servers were confiscated and the site went down (August 15,2005), ALL OF OUR ROL WAS SHOWING MONEY IN IT! According to our ROL, we didn't lose a dime and in fact, also according to our ROL, we were all money ahead, and some of us, like me, were $500,000.00 + ahead (I have $41,000 at stake here). I, unfortunately didn't get to withdraw any, but NOBODY was even at a break even! So if our money is/was there, how can those of you that say, "it's a risk of loss, blah blah blah..." On August 15, 2005 my ROL wasn't showing a loss, was anybody else's? Again, was it all lost the next day or is it still there? Or another possibility is, it never was there, which I don't want to think about... that would devestate me! Dear GOD, I hope and pray that isn't the case.

I am a supporter of Bryan and his vision and everything else and will NOT cast a stone in his direction whatsoever, but to lambast Marek, in my opinion, was dead wrong and pretty astonishing! Bryan, like all of us, is human and makes mistakes. Marek, like all of us is human too, and deserves a public apology, since he was scolded publically.

If Bryan is unable to tell us what is going on because he can't, by gag order, or because he has been instructed as such (as he has stated in many posts) is one thing. That doesn't mean we don't have the right to be informed from any other source other than from Bryan? I have said this in a previous post, what if, GOD forbid (and I mean this with all my heart), Byran had a heart-attack and died? Does that mean we would never know or be allowed to know the information about all of this?

From the investigation standpoint, if everything is OK and there was no wrong doing, then INFORMATION DOES NOT NEED TO BE HIDDEN! and Bryan should want us to know the things he is not allowed to tell us. That would be great news and would form a wonderful solidarity between us all, and then we could be impatiently waiting with the knowledge that we will get our money and it is not gone!

If there was some wrong doing somewhere along the line, then it probably wouldn't be good information to get out to the investors, unsecured loaners or whatever the hell you want to call us. The reason for not contacting BN (Bank Negara) or BOM (Bank of Malaysia, which are totally interchangeable terms by the way, but BON isn't correct... just to argue symantics) given is because it will slow up the investigative process. I seriously doubt that Marek's call brought the investigation to a screeching halt!

As I said earlier, I support Bryan and what he has done and hopefully is doing, but getting pissed at Marek is just as ridiculous as the guy who comes home early from work and catches his wife in bed with his boss, and the boss gets pissed and fires him for leaving work early!

I think Marek did the right thing, because somebody had to get us, the actual PIPS membership some answers. Bryan is an important man, but he isn't more important than any one of us individually, let alone collectively as human beings. Each of us has the same value and we shouldn't be raising a man, a great man perhaps, to the level of someone to be worshiped or followed unconditionally. Only GOD gets that from me!

Even the greatest man in the world is just a man, and as such has human frailty and as all humans, we are sinners... not deities. I will trust and believe in my fellow man with all my heart, until given a reason not to do so. So far, and I hope it never comes to this, I trust and believe in what Bryan is all about. The bottom line, whomever the information comes from is irrelevant, as long as it is the truth. We all deserve and have the right to the truth. We all deserve, and have the right to KNOW!

Geo

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Tremendous post.

Marek,thank you for your efforts on the ROLCLUBS memberships behalf.

If there is nothing to hide,there is nothing to fear.

We can only wait to see the results of the BNM investigation.

I've been thinking. If they group here DOES vote to move forward on hiring attoneys etc., then why not do this so that it become an International affair? I mean, there are surely 10's of thousands of Americans involved, plus more from all over the globe. With the kind of money thats involved, and being that the Central Bank is holding the funds and not responding, I would think the US Embassy and Government could apply the appropriate pressure on BoN. Just and idea.

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not blame Marek for simply trying to find some answers and informing us who have a right to know. Marek calling BoN didn't slow down or stop anything, and Bryan knows it.

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Maybe Marek did not slow anything down directly, but for each claim made on the net like this, there can be hundreds or thousands of follow up calls made by others to "verify" the information Marek posted!

You would think that by now we all would have learned this...

Marek, I commend you for contacting Bank Negara. As for Bryan's response....well, that sounded pretty typical. As always, Bryan is blaming others, taking no personal responsibility, and getting mad at someone. As for his excuse that he lost his login for ROL? Pleeeeaaasssseeeeeee!!!!! That's worse than "space aliens invaded my home and took my homework"! Come on! Bryan knows how to get in touch with Marek! And he certainly knows how to get a new password! Good grief, the man's doing some of the programming for the Lotto program!

Also, to blame Marek for "inciting" others to contact Bank Negara is ridiculous. As for it slowing down the investigation? Not enough to make a significant difference. If someone calls BN, they are not likely to ever get to speak to an actual investigator. Rather, they will get a low level employee who has been instructed with what he or she can say to such inquiries. That is standard practice. If the investigators purposely slow things down because they are irritated by the inquiries, while that may be typical of human nature, it is also very passive aggressive. Besides, I'd think they'd want to get it over with sooner than later, so seems a bit moronic to slow it down for that reason. But even so, this investigation could go on for a very long time still, and I don't think a few calls will have much of an impact on the overall timeframe.

I used to be a huge supporter of and believer in Bryan. But it's gotten pretty hard lately, and I have to say, this response of his to Marek really takes the cake. And for him to say nobody's worse off than he is, well, obviously he hasn't paid attention to people's posts....a lot of people are hurting because of Pips failure. Were they foolish? Who am I to judge? Who are any of use to judge? I don't know about anyone else here, but the only shoes I've walked in are my own...

Just once, I'd like to see Bryan actually apologize...and actually own up to his part in Pips current mess...afterall, he is the CEO...

Earlier today I suggested that a collective style letter on behalf of PIPS members should be sent to Bank of Negara asking for certain information.

However whilst perusing posts later in the day I found the following information which had been sent a ROL Club member.

-----To whom it may concern,

We refer to your email dated 25 August 2005 with regard to Pure
Investor.Com Inc and its related companies.

Please be informed that Pure Investor.Com Inc and its related companies
are currently under investigation by Bank Negara Malaysia, Central Bank of
Malaysia. For your information, section 16 of the Central Bank of Malaysia
Act 1958 prohibits the Central Bank of Malaysia from disclosing any
information obtained from investigations carried out pursuant to the
Banking and Financial Institutions Act 1989."

Thank you.

Lee Poh Fong
Corporate Communications Dept
Bank Negara Malaysia
Tel : 603- 2693 7982
Fax : 603 - 2693 6919

I thought well at last here is a real person to talk to which I did at 2.30pm Australian Eastern standard Time ( no daylight saving in Qld).

I rang the phone number listed above and actually spoke to Ms Lee Poh Fung a courteous and pleasant lady.

I introduced myself and confirmed to her that I was a PIPS investor,and asked if she could give me any information about the investigation into PIPS.

She confirmed the above information that is;

For your information, section 16 of the Central Bank of Malaysia
Act 1958 prohibits the Central Bank of Malaysia from disclosing any
information obtained from investigations carried out pursuant to the
Banking and Financial Institutions Act 1989."

Further she advised me that the Bank of Negara Web Site www.bnm.gov.my was the place to find updates about the investigation.

On finalising my call with her I immediately went to the Web site and found the following;


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PureInvestor.com, Inc. and Related Companies
This is to inform that Bank Negara Malaysia, the Central Bank of Malaysia, has received a number of inquiries regarding Pure Investor.Com Inc and its related companies. Bank Negara Malaysia is working closely with the relevant authorities and is in the midst of investigating PureInvestor.com, Inc. and related companies.

Bank Negara Malaysia
28 September 2005
© Bank Negara Malaysia

As you will note the last update was on 25 September 2005.

My intentions this morning in promoting a letter to Bank of Negara from PIPS members were incorrect as given the position of the Bank because of the regulatory constraints upon it there is little point in doing this.

In Brians favour is his most recent advice "that he has nothing to say at this point in time" as quite clearly he knows no more than any of us nor it seems can he find out any more than any of us.

All that we can do is sit tight and hope that investigation will allow PIPS to continue if it is capable of doing this when this matter is finalised.

Bryan reading your responses made me think a little, I have re-read all your responses. The best form of defence is attack and a large amount of your remarks are aggressive. What I am finding difficult to understand is who is being investigated, I would assume it would be you so why then are the authorities holding our funds. I dont believe that any authority who is investigating someone will just confiscate ones property without good cause. So the must beleive that there is a problem some where... just thought I would mention this.