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I am sorry you feel offended. But any investment, be it stocks or whatever, is a gamble.Quote:
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yes but if you win at the casino they can't tell you we're under investigation and the light at the end of the tunel is bright and you'll get your money when the bank unfreez ours
do they now
It remains that way and with Valhalla adding to some true perspectives...it is much appreciated too...some truly need to gain themselves with the right footing here...Quote:
Looks like patience is the key, as well as living in the present.
YB.
and thank you Brian for continuing to work on whatever it is you are working on ( halotto? ).
But is one two minute email/ update ONCE a week too much to ask for? You have been gone a long time! People naturally fear the worst.
Regards,
B
Lets not forget one thing, every day up until the day before pips was shut downQuote:
Originally Posted by treed68
our accounts were credited with rol, was it real or not, in terms of risk i think it matters at least legally.
It's up to Brian to keep us updated on a regular basis,
Brian should know that, being the president of the company.
we all want to know what is going on, good bad or nothing at all, even,
Brian loosing he Log in, is BS you can always get your Log in sent to you
Not so! I stand to lose everything I put in. Which is in the thousands. I knew the risks because I have lost in other investments. I haven't gotten one penny out of what I put in. So there: bite me.Quote:
Originally Posted by sambuca
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Originally Posted by sambuca
we've heard nothing but LIES from Brian, promising to start paying us all last year,
I'd like to know how I can go about getting my 30K Investment back, that I put into Pips
You can believe BM is not doing without. You can kiss your PIPS money good bye.
So I see that you are just as frustrated as the rest of us... So tell me, how does it really make you feel that you may have lost all of your "thousands"?Quote:
Originally Posted by treed68
I'm wondering if anyone has gone through this and reported this to the authorities, and tried to go after the people who benefited from our dollars. It would be interesting to find out!Quote:
Originally Posted by ne469
Marek,
You are way out of line here, first contacting BON in the first
place, and then questioning Bryans evaluation of what is the
best way to deal with the situation.
You ask how asking BON for an update can slow down the process?
Let me aks you this, where have you been the last year?
This is EXCACTLY what has happened with various banks, Speedywallet
and more. When thousands of people start calling their switchboard, they
dropped PIPS like a stone to water.
Oh, excuse me, you think maybe it would not be so many people calling BON?
Well how could you possibly control and administer this? If it starts to spin,
it will get out of control, and when Bryan contacts them for an update
or to participate in the process to speed things up, he will hear that they
are tired of PIPS members contacting them all the time, and that he needs
to wait for them to call him when they have something to report.
Surely, this is not a dream situation for anyone. I don't like to wait more
than anyone.
BUT, we have trusted Bryan this far, and believe me, if we turn on him now
to do some Marek-based revolt to "speed things up" I can assure you the
whole thing will collapse faster than you can spell C-H-A-O-S.
Marek, you are the Admin of this forum, not an know-all leader.
Speaking for myself, I did not join your Forum because you are the voice of
reason and experience within PIPS. Bryan is. Know your place, and leave
these things to Bryan. You will only make things worse.
>wave
And a lot of you are asking why Bryan is not posting on the forum?
HHMMM, read this tread again and others and you'll understand, each time the man makes a post his words are turned around, laughed at, twisted, misunderstood, he's called a liar.
I have a lot of respect for this man, he never run while he has had enough time to do that and he is still trying to solf the problems in our bennefit while in my opinion a lot of you don't deserve that.
There are a lot of things happening behind the scenes which we are not aware of, so stop blaming anybody until we know what really has happened.
Lot's of you naysayers who are blaming Bryan now will be praising him if he brings PIPS back and pretend that you were supporting him all the way.
Being negative has never helped anybody, in the contrary it only makes things wors.
And I see that there are suddenly many new members to attack Bryan, the trolls have smelled blood again and are trying to stir things up again, don't be fooled and keep calm. The only thing we can do is wait until we know the outcome of the investigation until then support Bryan. He's the only one who can pull us trough.
take care
jakvp
My thoughts exactly jakvp :-)
Peace.
Firstly I wish to thank Marek for his initiative in making contact with BON and providing the first response that I have seen from BON about the ongoing investigation into PIPS even though this was a slightly evasive set of responses.
I frankly am sick of being treated like a mushroom,and I do not believe I have to elaborate upon this.
In terms of our rights I notice that the old defensive mechanisms are up again in various ways ie,
1. Contact with the BON will slow the investigation down.
2. You were all told not to invest/loan more than you can afford to lose.
Lets face it point 2 should have always been clear to all who opened a Picpay and PIPS account given that we were involved in high interest investments.
As to point 2, if our investment/loan has been lost an understanding of why it was lost would take the heat out of the situation and those who are desperate financially would at least know that they have to look elsewhere for financial relief.
It seems to me that the lack of information about the BON investigation can only be addressed in a time line manner and I would like to canvass support amongst PIPS account holders along the following lines.
As I understand it PIPS accounts numbered approximately 200000,and given that there would have been mutiple account holders we must be talking about approximately 50000 PIPS account holders across almost every country in the world.
In anyones language that is a significant number of people who virtually have had no voice or knowledge of what led to the investigation other than rumour.
I have heard a number of versions the primary one is that a group of PIPS account holders in England complained to BON about their inability to withdraw funds from their PIPS accounts via Picpay and that this was the catalyst to the investigation.
I suggest that Marek who at least knows who to ring should be encouraged to contact BON and ascertain the name of the person who would have authority to receive a letter written on behalf of PIPS members.
The style of letter could include a request on our behalf for information as to the following.
A. The reasons for the investigation.
B. Can BON provide any information about the state of the PIPS investments which after all we contributed to which can be verified by documentation.
C. Can we be given information about the anticipated time frame before conclusion of the investigation.
d. Will the findings of the investigation be advised to PIPS members.
I for one feel that if we received that style of information those who are relying on a PIPS comeback would know where they stand.
What makes you think that it hasn't collapsed already? You must have some first hand information that no-one else has.Quote:
Originally Posted by wave
I believe Marek was doing us all a favour by contacting BN. Since we can't seem to get any communication or lack of it from BM, then someone has to step up to the plate and find out what's happening.
I have money invested in pips. The money (cash) made to the investment was given to a member already in pips who had money in his picpay account
The money in the members picpay account could not be withdrawn due to an 8-10 month back log. So the only way to get money fast was to sign someone up for pips and exchange the picpay money for hard cash. Did any members knowledgable of this situation disclose the fact to the new member they were signing up. If you made alot of money how many members did you sign up. Seems to me that the member whom recieved money from new investors knowledgable of the situation is liable for the original "investment" money. Since they recieved the hard cash. I joined this pips 3 months before everything shut down. Did not sign anyone up but refered others of whom to ask for information regarding pips as they told me about it. It seems to me that this roll club makes money by selling advertising, where does the money from the advertising go. BM is homeless of which I doubt, and has his food bowl in hand for donation.
I am not in a situation where the money invested has made me homeless but maybe if I had my original investment back I could buy a new car or something. Where did the money go? Was it poor business choices and now the money is lost, frozen, being investigated, ect.. I am in business much like most others whom have joined pips, and they know that all the money is not gone when things go bad. Just hidden. That is alot of money hiding, or has it been spent.
:biggrin: Uuuuumm.... did I hear an invitation?:tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by treed68
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/3...pitbull300.jpg
To be quite honest, it stinks. But, there is nothing I can do about it. Life goes on obla di obla da.Quote:
Originally Posted by sambuca
I have money invested in pips. The money (cash) made to the investment was given to a member already in pips who had money in his picpay account
The money in the members picpay account could not be withdrawn due to an 8-10 month back log. So the only way to get money fast was to sign someone up for pips and exchange the picpay money for hard cash. Did any members knowledgable of this situation disclose the fact to the new member they were signing up. If you made alot of money how many members did you sign up. Seems to me that the member whom recieved money from new investors knowledgable of the situation is liable for the original "investment" money. Since they recieved the hard cash. I joined this pips 3 months before everything shut down. Did not sign anyone up but refered others of whom to ask for information regarding pips as they told me about it. It seems to me that this roll club makes money by selling advertising, where does the money from the advertising go. BM is homeless of which I doubt, and has his food bowl in hand for donation.
I am not in a situation where the money invested has made me homeless but maybe if I had my original investment back I could buy a new car or something. Where did the money go? Was it poor business choices and now the money is lost, frozen, being investigated, ect.. I am in business much like most others whom have joined pips, and they know that all the money is not gone when things go bad. Just hidden. That is alot of money hiding, or has it been spent.
Sorry Byran, don't believe a word you say. I have two brothers that have invested and one of them has lost thousands; you give different messages to different ones. I certainly don't buy that you have no home, etc...a bunch of bull. One of my brothers knows you and he is certainly losing faith in all you have said. I think a good investigation by powers that be into all of this would answer a lot of questions. Wood7803, Jacksonville, Fl
There are ALWAYS two sides to the coin on this... look at the positive side, and you are relieved by the sheer and unprecedented initiative taken...at a whims notice !!!
The other side, well there U R...the complacent crowd that sits back with wishful thinking.... but homes in to collect whatever mingling within and if unnoticed, yayyy, got away with it!
The clear outcome has its merits and it is evident, while Marek chose this course, although not to be regarded as inevitable even at this stage for some, it was nonetheless prudent for his part and we DON'T NEED YOU to retort that way "wavy"...perhaps you should better go start your OWN thingy and farce for a Forum that your mindset and crappy notion over Marek's move would serve better? You do us all a BIG favour by rolling back and slide away and start your own box filled with silence and forget that ROLClub ever existed....otherwise U R a BIG contradiction to yourself to begin with.
As for the response to Bryan stepping out...with a defense over his current plight, i am glad he did what was now viewed and had relieved many here but the show goes on....the truth and the leads are all that matters here, the time limit is IMHO...not a big issue...I can wait...for the next 5 years...believe U me...many don't really know the grasp to fathom the depth of patience....but thats another thing altogether!
We are glad that Bryan "popped" out and we are glad he disclosed his unbearable predicament.... I was personally hurt by hearing that, I don't think he deserves that...for age and achievement from past feats don't deserve to put him in that state... I'm sorry Bryan for you both to go through this way... but others I am sur, won't share mine and many more with the sentiments and compassion for you both...even though they blame you for their demise...again, another story, please remember, Bryan made it somehow, thanks to you, and US ALL...but he is only human and he tried what he thought best in his own capacity....was the right thing to do... please focus more on the BN's handling which is a civil case and thats NO BIG secret anymore!!!
YB.
Boy I have never heard so many down hearted people. Brian I for one would like to give you hearty great job for doing what ever you can do. Just keep on . You surely have my vote. The best to you and your dear wife.
Bill
If you believe that he lost his password...then you really have problems with reality. He seemed to have it when he wanted everyone to join the lotto. Trust me, if he had the project up he'd found Marek.
He either has the dorkiest programmers or he's received a sharp slap in the head for trying to start another program. Either way, him calling out Marek after everything that he's done for him...that's sad.
"Two or more gathered in my name..." Whatever your belief system...the power of a prayer multiplied will work miracles and always has...
I say we all start praying very hard to a quick and positive solution to all our troubles...especially Brian who has all our troubles weighing on his shoulders.
Thoughts become things and it's time to create the thoughts to resolve this situation in all our favor...anyone else willing to pray?
Peace and Love,
Nancy
Please,can't You leave Brian alone,it's hard that some of you are in financial difficulties but brian,and Brian himself can solve our problems.So, take a step back and do'nt muddle the BoN waters,he has problems enough.All what he need and can use at the moment is our support and understanding.As always, and whatever happens,I for one, will be thankful for all what he did and does.Thanks Brian and Sharon.
hi all
Bm has nothing not our money .
a man who is rejacting in this way is at the end
he had dreams .like all we had hopping to get the many back
he is in big problems . and thats why he is psss of now sombody went over his back and told the grp how thks are , and that he did'nt want
if Bm is working as he says he is working in the first place for him self to get out the big sht he has .and not for us
i am sorry to tell you this
but as long we are here hope remains but afcourse
best to you all HRW
I'll raise my glass to Catspaw and hope others do the same.
v/r
Thumper
That is ridiculous. If you put so much of your money into pips and will lose everything because of it... you would deserve it. You were told on the pips start up page that it was an investment and as such... don't invest more than you can afford to lose. Good grief... it's an investment. You put some extra money in it and hope it works out. Don't make Bryan responsible for your whole life. Gees.. did you ever buy stock and then lose? It's called investing. The higher the return the greater the risk.
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Originally Posted by YogiBrood
SORRY TO DISAGREE BUT HE DESERVES ALL HE GET'S NOW WE ARE LIED TO OVER AND OVER.
Bryan will not go without of that you can be sure.
He has wasted peoples hard earned money and turned dreams into a nightmare for some.
Personnally I want my money back and to hell with BM.
If you guys would spend as much time working and being productive in life as you do beating up BM and writing trash on this forum, you would be wealthy. You entered into an investment. That's it. Leave it be and leave him alone. It's this behavior that got us where we are in the first place. His biggest mistake was allowing this level of investor into his company. The BON is not the place this should have been taken and it's not where you should be calling and stirring up trouble. Have you not seen where it has gotten us so far? Go out and live your life and check back in a few months to see how he is doing. It's people just like you that took it down and put us in this mess. I can only imagine how much the negative people in here really invested out of their own pocket. What you believe is what you will get. All this ugliness will surely create the downfall.
I have been a pips supporter from the onset
I met Bryan in vegas oct 2004 and had the utmost respect for him and what he was trying to do. But its getting harder and harder to believe pips will ever be back. The lotto was suppose to start but programming problems. Have not heard from Bryan for 4 weeks until Marek e-mailed him. Sid I lost my login info come on now if you could and wanted to keep the members informed you would have found away to get that information. Also yes he is mad at Marek because it would slow down the investigation no I dont think thats the reason at all so you can draw your own conclusion.
But he gave the sob story of not having money and house look at all the people who invested in him yes some did some things that I would not do and thats there fault. But has Bryan took any of the blame he was taking all the glory when things was good. But now that it is not he is blaming everybody else and not even sorry for the way things have gone.
Then go and do what you gotta do! Quit whining and trying to incite the people here who don't feel the same! No.....I will not join your brigade!!!
I will still think logically about this situation and wait. Inciting other people to do something dumb.....that's only going to hold up everything even longer.....is not the answer and everybody better stop and think about all the new posters in here the last couple of days and what their agendas are.
Go to the Aus Pips forum and see the post about TG and see if there's a possibility that nothing is as it seems in this forum.
Step back.....take a deep breath.....and don't let others play you for their own agenda!
I, also, will raise a glass to Catspaw!
jjm
I remember a story told me by my late Dad who fought in the first world war. Many was the soldier who was shot by a sniper by simply lighting a cigarette. Just goes to show you that no matter how small the light it WILL dispell the darkness around it. You have my vote catspaw.:woohoo: :ro_emote: You are the small light in a dismal world of darkness called murmuring.:yak: I for one am adding my light to yours to get rid of the darkness of despair.:flame: I prophesy that all WILL be well in the end and having said that I am expecting the flack that goes with sticking one's neck out in faith in a world of unbelief and unbelievers.:fryingpan As has been said by another person on this thread.How many of the ones baying for BM's blood now will be singing his praises when alls well at the end. SHAME on you all for the continuous murmuring and crying out for more, more, more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by catspaw
I have said this before."If you worry, you die; If you don't worry you still die; WHY WORRY". The Word says "Who by worrying can add anything to his life". (Loose translation for illustration).Come on all you who are losing faith in your decision to go with PIPs. IT WILL RECOVER.
Thank You Marek.
I beleive it was right to contact the bank and at least explain that you report to thousands of members. One phone call from a reputable source will stop others hasseling the bank, even though we have instructed not too. We are all human. Just because we are told not to do something, do we have to sit for here for ever and a day for an update! . I think most of us are totally drained, with waiting and no info. Bryan said good news was coming soon and that good news was Pips related. I fail to see, knowing how much longer this is going to take is a problem for anyone. We simply want to know if the bank has finsihed or not? what is the next step etc. We arent asking for them to tell us the final result without offical authorization.
Don't feel bad Marek, we need to know something.
I for one, each and every day, sometimes several times a day, check the forum for an update. Its getting very draining as I am helping others whom I told about Pips. I feel I have to keep them posted. Its simply wearing me out as Im sure it must be on many others. Its the NOT KNOWING that is causing the most frustration, becuase we cant move, stuck!
Keep up the good work Marek.
Cheers Kristin
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Originally Posted by delores1
That's all I do is wait... I've been waiting and waiting. I go sometimes weeks and months without coming in to see, and yet it's still the same thing (empty promises). I truly wish for things to come around, but I'm also losing hope very quickly.
I have moved on and I'm trying to get my investments into other opportunities, but the problem is I'm having to pay for this big problem that I invested in right now (PIPS).
I'm with you Marek! Now is not the time to back down. I have finally lost all my confindence in him after the lame response that was given to you. I read in here all the time, and try to hold out hope, but enough is enough! Do't be discouraged Marek. We need to get to the truth!
Ok I see that but i hear things like pips aid lotto is going what is that and how can we get the the straight scoop on whats really going on I have been sitting back waiting for some news not rumors please let us know what is real and not bs to much stuff has been said but nothing about what is really happing just talk sorry thats how I feel I left a email and got no responce back Please email me whats going on
what a big soap opera unbelivable
Pleas dont be afraid to cal a spade a spade or a scam a scam.....
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had more then 100.000 dollar on my pips acont...
If someone is interested i sell it to you for 100 usd...
i have a copy of my acont and i can sign a statment to you!!!
pm me!!!!