Thread: Is it over

Intensional payback plan is a must. So far is just words and words and no concrete payback actions... lack of commuications is another mistake that lead to mistrust.

Bryan should take care of the house (us) and not so call to charity... we are all living hand to mouth, all thanks to him.

O

Originally Posted by O

Intensional payback plan is a must. So far is just words and words and no concrete payback actions... lack of commuications is another mistake that lead to mistrust.

Bryan should take care of the house (us) and not so call to charity... we are all living hand to mouth, all thanks to him.

O

That depends on if there is any money to pay anyone at all. So all we can do is wait for the investigation to end.

Originally Posted by Dreamer

That depends on if there is any money to pay anyone at all. So all we can do is wait for the investigation to end.

Yep! So true!

Originally Posted by aries

Marek would at least know what internet cafe he hangs out in, from the IP address of the computer Bryan used.

yes correct

Originally Posted by TLC

I am going to be in Malaysia next month. If ANYONE has any info on how to find Brian, please email the info. Thanks
[email protected]

Interesting,

Since Barry said he uses free coffee house cafe internet, I am sure it will be easy to catch him since Marek tracked it to the same city, and how many are there, should not be hard to find out.

Good luck to all, Mike

Originally Posted by ajk64

There was a time (long ago) when I thought this was a valid argument. I don't anymore, because due to Bryan's gross mismanagment (if not pure deception about the investments in general), there was likely no money left for him to run with. So, backed into a corner he used every excuse under the sun (banking problems, VAT, etc, etc) to try to cover up what had become a complete disaster. I was always amazed that BNM didn't step in long before they did.

Those who keep saying that the fat lady has not yet sung....well...geez...if you want to keep sitting in an empty theatre long after the show has ended to wait for her....I mean, what can the rest of us say? IMO, the writing has been on the wall since Dec of 04. Like many, I didn't see it then because it was too heartbreaking to even acknowledge, but in retrospect, I believe it was there all along. It is sad that this has been drawn out so agonizingly long. As for BNM saying this is complex, I sure wouldn't look to that as a "hopeful" statement...rather, just an indication as to why it is taking so long. Doesn't mean BM's innocent by any means.

As to whether Bryan intentionally set out to scam people? None of us knows for sure, but I highly doubt he ever had pure intentions. He loved being viewed as this "great businessman" (and time has shown he was anything but), when he should have been the first to humbly acknowledge that this was not his area of expertise (the man's an engineer if I recall) and allowed those who had more knowledge and expertise to help him when they offered it. But he didn't. He was a control freak and didn't want anyone else telling him what to do.

As for the "pure, unadulterated hell he has gone through"...well, he really has no one to blame but himself, and of course we all ought to know by now that Bryan is notorious for blaming everyone but himself. He has never taken an ounce of responsbility for any of the mess, and as "CEO" he clearly had a ton of responsbility in what led up to BNM getting involved. While we don't know "the truth" as in BNM's final findings yet, there is a ton we do know and should not ignore.

Excellent post,

Enjoyed your reasoned post and agree with your conclusions.

Good luck to all, Mike

Originally Posted by way2go

My feeling is that Bryan's refusal to sign the contract was just to gain some more time in not paying the members.

His attitude after December 04 didn't show any indication that his priority was to pay the members. VAT was the only processor working fine, and Bryan used it sparingly because "it was not fair for DC withdrawals to jump before the bank wire witdrawals". When VAT started to close accounts because of the negative balances, everybody was happy thinking that Bryan will finally start to pay, but instead, he asked VAT to design a new platform for him. When the platform was ready, he didn't sign it because he didn't like the fees.

BM always had excuses to delay payments from the very beginning just like every single other ponzi in history. We may not like to hear it but PIPS has been a ponzi from inception and we all got drawn into it blindly. Let's face it and move on. Those who are still waiyting for the fat lady well you keep dreaming.

I’ll go along for a moment (just for the exercise) and accept that all the bad things Bryan Marsden is accused of are in fact true.
Well the first thing that occurs to me is that Bryan should seriously consider getting into another line of work. It would seem to me that Bryan is just not cut out to be a successful Con artist.
Bryans’ PIPS deal is the one that really amazes me though. I imagine that achieving what he did with PIPS is what all con artists dream about. Bryan had millions of dollars handed to him on a plate.
It’s beyond me why Bryan hadn’t simply siphoned off some of that loot and absconded with it to some far off hidden paradise where he could have lived out the remainder of his life in luxury, never to be heard of again. Such places do exist. He wouldn’t even have needed a huge sum of money because lets face it; Bryan is not a young man. But instead he sees this massive problem looming up and what does he do? He just sits there and lets it all come tumbling down on him, like a sitting duck. At least some of those around him had the common sense to bail out whilst they had the chance.
And where as a result is Bryan at today? Existing in a little room scratching around for enough loose change to purchase a pack of cigarettes and scheming for new ways to bring in a few bucks. Why didn’t he run when he had the chance? He must be the laughing stock of the fraudster’s community.

Well I have tried (again) to look at this situation from the opposing angle and it makes even less sense to me.
Everyone has an opinion but nobody here has all the pieces of this intriguing puzzle.
In my opinion one should be a little less adamant in what they claim is so or not so because until we have all the missing pieces of the puzzle this is in the most part still just a guessing game of what the true and complete picture actually is.

Incidentally, one of the missing pieces involves the millions of dollars sent to PIPS but never arrived. That alone blows the Ponzi theory out of the water.

Thanks for a good post that contributes a friendly balance to our discussions while we wait for the investigation to finish. There has been a very welcomed and rational progression in this forum that is now allowing for friendly, instead of hostile only, back-and-forth banter. Harmony is good.

Best regards,

thelema

Chester,

I never thought that Bryan started PIPS as a scam or that he intended to run with our money.

What I believe is that he screws it up on the way (he didn't made it the promised return). Instead letting us know, he kept bringing people in the program, hoping that he will find a way out (restructuring the program or making some good investments). Does this qualify as a scam? Probably Yes from the legal stand point.

Originally Posted by Chester

I’ll go along for a moment (just for the exercise) and accept that all the bad things Bryan Marsden is accused of are in fact true.
Well the first thing that occurs to me is that Bryan should seriously consider getting into another line of work. It would seem to me that Bryan is just not cut out to be a successful Con artist.
Bryans’ PIPS deal is the one that really amazes me though. I imagine that achieving what he did with PIPS is what all con artists dream about. Bryan had millions of dollars handed to him on a plate.
It’s beyond me why Bryan hadn’t simply siphoned off some of that loot and absconded with it to some far off hidden paradise where he could have lived out the remainder of his life in luxury, never to be heard of again. Such places do exist. He wouldn’t even have needed a huge sum of money because lets face it; Bryan is not a young man. But instead he sees this massive problem looming up and what does he do? He just sits there and lets it all come tumbling down on him, like a sitting duck. At least some of those around him had the common sense to bail out whilst they had the chance.
And where as a result is Bryan at today? Existing in a little room scratching around for enough loose change to purchase a pack of cigarettes and scheming for new ways to bring in a few bucks. Why didn’t he run when he had the chance? He must be the laughing stock of the fraudster’s community.

Well I have tried (again) to look at this situation from the opposing angle and it makes even less sense to me.
Everyone has an opinion but nobody here has all the pieces of this intriguing puzzle.
In my opinion one should be a little less adamant in what they claim is so or not so because until we have all the missing pieces of the puzzle this is in the most part still just a guessing game of what the true and complete picture actually is.

Incidentally, one of the missing pieces involves the millions of dollars sent to PIPS but never arrived. That alone blows the Ponzi theory out of the water.