Autosurfing no more for Charis??

[AbunDance]

so she, (charis Johnson) was moving away from the autosurf industry anyway(direct quote).....what about the 'GPT convention' wasn't that about the autosurf industry generally?? seems to me that perhaps Charis is not sooo nice after all. No info or comments now on even the timeframe of any refunds....I 'stuck with' 12dp over the christmas break as many encouraged 'to show support' but here I am again in the same sh*tty muck as pips, It4us, Gins, Plexpay and a few others hanging over from 2005....Its a timing thing of course (most will say) as it seems that many early birds make a dollar...however, the sheer number of 'just started' hyip's I get in my inbox each day I feel will increase the risk even for those early birds. Can a person make a dollar? I have followed a number of 'investment' groups, plans etc over the last 2 years but I am still solidly in the red... Each time the possibility arises...wow this looks great! if you work this or that strategy your do very well!! etc etc....don't forget the rules of investing though!!! blah blah blah.... When even the rules fail to make a dollar...you think what's happening here? What else is going on? Referals, of course, is one, that extra 12% net on 100 referals, very nice thank you....what happens if it goes down the toilet?? you knew didn'you? the rules of investment of course!! oh, you didn't? sorry, next time ok?

[neno]

I have a guy that told me she was running this out of her apartment in N Carolina. "BIG DEAL". But know the F.B.I. was there and she had moved and now is gone. For what reason I don't know. I guess that is where she was located by my friends statment. Its where he lives if not in Hawii.. Anyone have any proof. I was doing well on 12daily until the shut down. I just pulled most of my money out and came out a head but still lost three upgrades of 600.00 a piece and had bid the fourth but for some reason it was credited back to my bank.So that was cool I made about 6000.00 and lost 1800.00 Got Lucky I Guess.

[AbunDance]

good on you Neno....always nice to come out ahead. Gives you 4200.00 to play with I guess. Sad though if you would actually like to make a living out of this kind of online 'investing' . When these new businesses start ala 12dp, you read 'good dd' solid business, well grounded professional admin/staff etc etc..then of course there comes 'the problem'.....unforseen they say, not our doing they say, sorry if you lost your money...This time they went for 8/10 months....not bad really, given 'other investment types', however, I'm sorry to say it still stinks of hyip scam...but coated in the 'gold talk' of sincerity and 'new business model' or whatever other label you want to put on it. It amounts to the same...great if you had the spare$ and got in early( I, unfortunatey was still smarting from other losses so didn't have the spare$, early on) and it didn't crash to soon and you made a profit. Only those, and your lucky self Neno, who have a good referal downline tend to make a $! Not really so ethical that so many claim, is it?