I've done a bit of googling and it says on another forum that if 8 people sign up under one matrix (i.e. NIL) it would take a further 128 signups for those first 8 to cycle. is this true?
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I've done a bit of googling and it says on another forum that if 8 people sign up under one matrix (i.e. NIL) it would take a further 128 signups for those first 8 to cycle. is this true?
But it the 20 something Thousand (In ClubFreedom) had done it the NIL way, and then reinvested everytime they came out like this Team will do. Then the numbers wouldn't really matter.
People are going to join clubfreedom. I just hope that the word gets to them about Rolclubs Next-In-Line first.
Hi There Ca$hBuilder
It doesn't really matter as people are joining NIL like crazy as they can see that it will work. Many of us have become stuck on boards in Club Freedom and aren't going anywhere, but with this system everyone keeps moving so therefore there will be no gaps in the system to bring it to a halt. So with your 128 people if a portion didn't recruit their two people then the system is flawed.
Don't expect it all to happen overnight but a return of $6000 + a holiday is a pretty good return on an investment of $200 don't you think?
Good luck whatever you do
When something works like NIL. You get masses comming from all over.
All we need to do is to tell a few we know. Rest will take care of it self.
I could have joined when NIL started. But didnt. Now i just bought 3 spots today as nr 140 in NIL system.
(Now nobody can hold this against me that i would take use of RC database to support my own downline :-) LOL)...
There is nothing better then sharing your success with others, so i will be telling about the NIL system to 22260+ members of Rolclub.
I will mail all as soon as i have an exciting decription of NIL and CF, see:
http://www.rolclub.com/rolclubs-next...ut-nil-cf.html
regards
admin
Go Admin - how exciting!!!!!!!!! :party: :woohoo::thumbsup:
so position 9 to 16 would need 256. 17 to 24 would need 384. 25 to 32 would need 512. 33 to 40 would need 640. 41 to 48 would need 768. 49 to 56 would need 896. 57 to 64 would need 1024. 65 to 72 would need 1152. 73 to 80 would need 1280. 81 to 88 would need 1408. 89 to 96 would need 1536. 97 to 104 would need 1664. 105 to 112 would need 1792. 113 to 120 would need 1920. 121 to 128 would need 2048. 129 to 136 would need 2176. 137 to 144 would need 2304. and if i join now 145 to 152 would need 2432. that's a big ask don't you think? or are my numbers way out?
Well, yes and no. Depends on how loyal our team is to each other and how they promote NIL.
When people cycle through the system, we will :
1) see them buying back inn with 5-10 spots.
2) telling others.
so probably if 144 would cycle through, and all were loyal to the system, and bought 5-10 positions back into the system, we could manage:
144x5 = 720 spots
144x10=1440 spots
members that already are inn the system :-)
So fresh members would be aroudn 900-950 i guess needed for you to cycle out.
But also consider facts as, how many would by spots back inn, and how well this would be promoted. Many teams are on the sidelines now watching. Many members of CF has had their downlines come to a halt.
Joining them would for sure not make any sense unless your in a big network of downline members already.
So i would think that as we grow many real Cf (non NIL) members will tag along in our team also.
Still, you should make up your own mind mate. I have made mine.
Regards
admin
hi admin. I've made my mind up and it's not for me. the 1000th person that joins will need over 30,000 after them to get paid. good luck to those that are in. cash.
Cashbuilder,
why are you looking at this as if the glass is half full?
We are only up to around the 150 members mark in NIL and you are predicting doom and gloom for member 2000?
Please remember that when people cycle, they are re-entered back in the MAIN program, not the feeder which is where we all start. The people in the main board will continue to cycle each other through as the new members also come onto the main boards. Each time a member cycles and gets paid, they are being encourages to use a SMALL PORTION of their earnings to buy more positions. This will also continue to keep the program going.
If you don't understand how this program works, then I'm sorry. Your loss.
Cheers,
Kathy
hi kathy. "We are only up to around the 150 members mark in NIL and you are predicting doom and gloom for member 2000?" well, as you yourself said in another post, this program is being advertised to 22,300 ROLClub members alone so 2000 members could be reached quite quickly. now, as you understand how NIL/CF works, why don't you tell the ROLClub member who may be the 2000th person to join how many positions after him/her have to be sold for him/her to cycle. maybe banana could answer if you can't. thanks, cash.
I'm not going to tell anyone anything about how many people it will take because I don't know.
I do know that it will be no where near the entire earth's population! Can you quantify that statement?
Remember that everyone will cycle over and over again, so we won't need the "entire earth" to fill this, and also most people (myself included) will be buying quite a few more positions when we do cycle, so we won't need as many people as you say.
I'm not going to respond to this thread anymore because it's become a tad ridiculous.
Cheers,
Kathy
Dear Cashbuilder,
If you are not intersted in this team then why are you here posting daily. We all are here to make serious money. We are sharing doing our part and sharing this concept to everyone we know. You please do not bother to write here.
how many positions in CF (via NIL) have to be sold after the 2000th member has joined NIL for him/her to cycle. Thanks, Cash.
Hi Cashbuilder,
The 2000th member has exactly the same chance as the 10th or 50th etc.
Its all relative to the depth built....and more especially the width of each position but not the way everyone is thinking.
After all there is supposed to be 60,000 odd members of CFT (correct me if I am wrong here...only a figure someone bandied about). When Nil team started, it started its own set of tables, and its the quality and depth of those tables that keep it building. With NIL it ensures that it does keep building and never comes to a standstill.
***There is one really easy way to make this work even better.***
The way this kind of program works is, yes for it to continue to go down and everyone be qualified with their 2 - because it is even building of the teams that propels this forward, (why so many of the normal CF tables have stalled is that people get their 2, but then those 2 fail to continue as we know) - which is where NIL fills a HUGE need and will attract many.
An even better way is that at the same time NIL people cycle & collect they start building wide on their first position - but ONLY via a 2nd NIL queue which would have to be made up of the people as they cycle and collect cash!
That will mean that duplicate lines are being built from the top position giving everyone a better chance of cycling multiple times - actually even better than buying multiple positions deep. Simply because like the NIL team we all follow the leader, and so likely to always have NIL members on our tables.
Building wide with a further NIL team would ensure that this continues to build only with NIL members too on the tables.
So 1st position (Banana) has its 2 and simply buys a new position under the main one - after it cycles and collects cash/travel.
Now it has 3 front line to it, and NIL starts a 2nd queue attached to that top position (they still also go back and buy multiple positions as planned in main NIL leg).
Every time that positions cycles (Bananas 1st one in NIL), it starts off another leg using the same people in Nil, however this time it would have to be in order of their cycling, because some people will cycle before others - so it won't be truly chronological joining, but hey that is fair too. Some luck in the splitting of tables will always occur.
Basically a whole 2nd (3rd/4th etc) NIL queue commences made up of chronologically the people who cycle and re-purchase another position in the 2nd & any other subsequent front line NIL queus.
Building wide is definitely the answer to all the concerns you have.
This method has worked for many people in CDT (Canadian Diamond Traders) and the most successful of people in there have been the ones that had one position with 10 or 20 wide under them, and teaching them to do the same thing. Their only problem for members of their downline (not themselves) is the obvious one that someone fails to find their qualifiers, however NIL totally addresses this, because the downline is always allocated to them.
A rule would have to be made that ONLY people who have cycled can join team 2, 3 etc in the chronological order that they cycle from team 1 etc. This will ensure that team 1 continues to grow. All new people must join team 1 NIL queue first!
The CDT people cycle as do their team members multiple times, because their tables are always made up ONLY of their own members.
This is another huge problem in CFT that a normal position & you end up on tables with people you do not know - part of completely different teams or just small teams, who have given up due to inability to find their 2 qualifiers.
The human factor will always be the issue in this kind of program with a requirement to continually build down, and many of the people who complain the most that they are stuck are simply the ones that cannot find their 2 either, or one of their personals has got bogged down as well and thats ok.
Only way to solve that is to build under them or start a new leg, and thats too hard..when NIL has the answer.
Building wide with NIL would solve all of these issues too for everyone.
Many of the "leaders" in CFT bought multiple positions under themselves and guess what, those multiple positions have gone here there and every where. Yes some of them cycled 2 or 3 times in the beginning, but now their teams are fractured because of UNEVEN building of the depth - and LACK of building of the WIDTH.
Instead POS1, has personal positions 2, 3, 4, 5 etc attached directly under position 1, and builds under them. More importantly teaches the people in them to do the same - more even building. When POS1 cycles, absolutely without a doubt, POS 2, 3, 4, 5 etc HAVE to follow them to the table they are on, not be split up and sent to multiple tables with strangers. As do all the members under those 2-5 positions. Thats how it was explained to me from someone who does this very successfully in CDT. Does it make sense?
Unless CFT is slightly different to CDT in how the tables split?
I believe that NIL in its current format will do precisely the same, however we can add to that in time, by creating 2nd and subsequent queues under Banana's 1st one. Just a thought.
I am making the suggestion to Banana and Neno, that they think this over and consider that as soon as the first position at the top of the NIL table cycles, that as part of the re-investment strategy, that Banana starts another NIL team attached to his bhg9010 position and simply duplicates the entire team down again, BUT only of cycled members.
Of course he will cycle more, but thats what leaders do, however so will his team, quicker, and more frequently.
And we all simply follow him. Those that choose to re-invest when cycled simply form part of a new queue.
Love everyone's feedback !
Regards
Travelforall
What a great idea travelforall, i would definatly be interested in that concept
To me, that just makes good sense; thanks for contributing that concept for discussion, Travelforall.
Best regards,
Thelema
Firstly lets clarify what is being asked.
The first parameter is where are we starting our count from, there are three possibilities here:
1. RT.
2. CF Feeder.
3. CF Main table.
Starting from CF Feeder it would take approximately and roughly worst case plus an added buffer to make it look worst than it is so I am not accused of prettying it up more than the reality I would say between 200 and 300 positions from any member in our Allocated NIL Que.
So from any one point in the Allocated NIL Queue it would take about 200 to 300 positions for you to cycle out of the Main CF Board to collect your Package and commissions.
Now once you are in the CF Main Board it would take about worst case again 32 to 64 positions to cycle out of the CF Main Board again.
Via RT a number more, but I don't know how many more and the number is really not a concern to me because of what I already know about the CF Feeder and CF Main boards.
A lot is also dictated by the tables you go through and because of what has happened to existing CF Main Board Tables we should be hopping through the main tables with some gusto. Here's hoping for nice tables.
Having said that Ca$hbuilder you can wait on the side lines and jump on in when you feel warm, cosy and ready, or not.
Either way good luck to you.:banana:
Thanks banana for this explanation.
I was going to have at it. But the question was directed to you. I knew that the posters figures where very inaccurate as I have been thru this before with other programs when people miss concept the figures.
As always you answered it for them gracefully. Thanks Bud. :ro_emote:
Next-In-Line is what it is. You have two ways of coming in at to reach the Main Table. There is a third but not for now, which is $1000.00
Now you point of duplication with another Team, is no need IMHO. You must realise that after you cycle out of the Mian Table, you do not go thru the feeder part again with that position. It goes right back into a Mian table for start again. See actually you get $8000.00 for the whole $200.00 investment. $7000.00 on the cycle out on the Min Table with $6000.00 to your wallet and $1000.00 for your automatic re-entry to the Main Table. Awsome.
Now at some point and Time I agree with the advance spending with $1000.00 to the Main Tables. But it will still go thru the NIL Website. Just remember that Next-In-Line is what it is from the Start. Have a wonderful Journey.
PS. Dont worry about strangers on your Table. As they will continue to be strangers as well as you by them with the prestisipation in NIL. I have already seen it from the start. I have passed somany already as this is how it all started with the beginning of NIL. What is good about the strangers at first is they take up a position on the Table. NIL takes advatage of that also. :bow:
so around 250 new CF positions (via NIL) are required after one joins NIL anywhere in the queue to cycle once, right? and to cycle twice it's around 12,500 because each of those 32 to 64 (i've used 50) that are re-entered need 250 each, right? thanks for your help, cash.
You really need to put your calculator down and stop looking at it as 1 person using 50 people your thinking is in error. Just as an example of those 50 you say you used, they are part of the same queue or line that is progressing through the tables and tables is what you are progressing through.
Another way of looking at it, is as a list or a stack, in the programming world we use lists and stacks depending on how we need to retrieve that data.
So for simplicity we are going to create a list that we can push new positions in the bottom and pull the qualified positions off the top.
We will work with 10 positions here for simplicities sake. You could multiply each position by 25 to give you the guestimated 250 people in the list progressing through the tables.
Position 10 anne
Position 9 mary
Position 8 david
Position 7 jasmine
Position 6 paul
Position 5 don
Position 4 ariel
Position 3 sam
Position 2 fred
Position 1 john
Now lets presume that position 10 anne is qualified and ready to cycle out, for that to happen we have to push a new position in the list at the bottom, so lets do that now.
anne - Has now cycled out because sassie has joined the list.
Position 10 mary
Position 9 david
Position 8 jasmine
Position 7 paul
Position 6 don
Position 5 ariel
Position 4 sam
Position 3 fred
Position 2 john
Position 1 sassie - Has joined the list
Now for mary to cycle we need a new member to join the list just like sassie did. So mary does not need 10 on her own to cycle she just needs one more member cause she just like anne is part and parcel of the 10 in the group that is progressing through the tables to cycle out, you can extrapolate that out as you wish but how it functions is the same.
If you can not see this now, you obviously don't want to or want this to fit your belief system and not the reality of how this actually works.
I have taken the time to explain (in a number of ways) how this system works and if you continue to not comprehend just relax and monitor our progress, and if you see the light or the penny drops feel free to join us.
hi banana.
could we have a regular update on how many NIL/CF positions have been sold and how many people have cycled and collected $6,000.
or do you consider that a deterent to others thinking of joining.
thanks,
cash.
:ro_emote:
So, how many NIL/CF positions have been sold and how many people have cycled and collected $6,000. Thanks, cash.
Hi Cash,
The way to monitor yr wishes is to keep viewing the NIL threads on this forum.
Thus u can conduct yr own reseach, that can/will satisfy yr enquiring mind.
When a member rolls out of the top board u will soon see/hear it on the threads.
Nil is getting more and more popular as members see their progression thru the feeder board & into the main board.
{This can be view on the Club freedom site for every member.
So its not hidden from CF members. Its very open!!}
That means they are happy with the progress & they have not complained on this Rolclub forum.
The longer u wait to join the longer it will be that u receive that $6k.
Its yr choice.
Rolling stones dont gather any moss.
Roll on NIL
thanks for that ZW. trouble is the CF figures on what board your on tell us nothing about the TRUE numbers reqd. to cycle. I mean, how many people around here think only 8 are reqd. to move boards? the true figure is, of course, thousands! banana and neno have cycled so why won't they tell us how many it took to do it? and how many of the top 8 spots in NIL are held by banana and neno? does anyone else want this info before joining or just me? cash.
Nomad, you crack me up! :rofl:
I'll buy one! he he
CashBuilder, I wasn't going to reply to you again because, really! Get a grip, get a clue, get a life.... get something! :wacko:
How can you say it takes thousands to fill a board? Where do you get these figures?
I am on the boards. Are you? No, probably not. So how can you say how many people there must be on the boards? :nono:
There are 8 on the bottom level... the board splits. You move up.
8 more join, the board splits, you move up.
8 more join the board splits, you move up
8 more join, the board splits, you move up. You are now at the top.
Now, hmm.... in my calculations, that's 31 people to split a board (because you were one of the original 8).
You know what, don't join CF. Save your money and go buy a calculator instead. I think you need one! :fryingpan
We've all tried to be helpful, but you keep asking these anal questions that only you seem to know the answer to in your own head. So why do you need to keep asking them? :rolleyes:
You just keep racking your brain with all these figures while we are all moving steadily up the boards towards getting paid.
Have fun! :noserious
Cheers,
Kathy
Have the feeling no one will ever change yr mind set nor attitude.:wigged:
If the whole world was so cinical, man would not have achieve nor developed the intelligent machines/tools, nor ventured into space that we have to day.:ro_emote:
My last suggestion to u CB, is get a large piece of paper, place all the positions on the paper & do some counting before carrying on about all this BS.
Until u come with a more approachable attitude & attempt to help yrself we shall ignore yr posts.
TO OTHER NIL MEMBERS...
IF THE REPLY IS AGRO, WE SHOULD IGNORE THIS BLOKE WORTHWITH!!!!!
Admin,
please bump this cynical, negative loser from the forum. :yak:
Thankyou,
Kathy
maximum one member needs is 103 positions filled after him.. That is the way to look at it, you consider the total, but as marek said, not every member needs to be e new person.. I have seen allready people with 20 accounts in CF or even more... beter to look at them as positions.
my calculation:
everytime you move up there are 8 new ones that must join to move to another level and you do not get into level 5 if you are not qualified, the NIL system makes sure you get qualified and do not get stuck at the feeder board.
Ok,
you enter level one, worst case as number one, 7 more to join to move up, you are in level 2.
8 more to move to level 3 makes 8+7=15
8 more to move to level 4 makes 15+8 = 23
NIL makes sure you are qualified so will enter the main board as reservation after 8 more have joined, makes 23+8 = 31
Now you need, in worst case, 7 more qualifiers to move to planner, each qualifier needs 2 new members, so in worst case you need 7*2=14, makes 31+14 = 55
and now you need 8 qualifiers to move to standby 8*2=16, makes 55+16= 71 and again 16 more to move to traveler makes 87 and 16 more to CYCLE makes 103.
but note this is WORST CASE, if there are non NIL members that are in your board that do not get qualified, you will leapfrog them and jump over levels, 103 members is really WORST CASE and will probably be far less!
31 is the bare minimum, including yourself the total money is $6400, so $6000 for you, and $400 for the company... Fair I think, but to pay you $6000, more likely is that between 50 and 80 have joined after you did, so the company also makes a few thousand more then your $6000.. You must realize CF counts on it that a fair share will not cycle at all or bail out before they do, because they are not patient. This is all profit for CF
Another note, these 103 do NOT have to be recruited by you alone, they will be recruited by all in the levels below and beside you!, so once you are climbing the levels it wil go quicker and quicker, because more and more people working for you!
got that?!
Lots
unfortuately it's NOT good for advertising.
some folks around here are under the illusion that only 31 CF positions have to be sold after them to collect $6,000:nono:
the true answer is 1,000's
hundreds of CF positions via NIL have been sold but only banana & neno have cashed in.
I agree with you that it "would be great" to have the figures though, however uncomfortable that would be to take.
cash.