Thread: Warning from mystery person...

The post and my questions have all been deleted over there now.

The moderator/owner of the other forum had originally allowed the post to stay, but now it is gone.

Perhaps the post's author took the moderator up on his demand and called him out. I saw a post from the moderator stating that if this person has a problem, to contact him by any means and provided a link to the site's disclaimer page.


I agree, RetMil, LE does not issue warnings, but a detached LE person could warn anonymously.

Not to mention this should make a person think twice about posting rumours that quote "Intel" not available to the general public. Those implications could be nasty.

Ive thought for a long time that Iraqi citizens, (both friend or foe), teenage hackers or computer thrill-seekers, and government employees (possibly IRS) all routinely monitor these forums and post, either for gaining information, for spreading dis-information, or to pick up IP addresses of anybody who claims strong ties or beliefs in the unlikely event of "instant wealth". And no thats not some Big Brother paranoid belief, thats reality in the internet age.

It's kind of like, "Hey, I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean people are not after me!" You've got to watch your step in almost every way these days, especially on the internet--what you publish can and maybe will be looked at by anyone from a criminal to the government. And, if you pay careful attention to your privacy rights and the movements of the government to by-pass those rights, you'll see the importance to what fellow moderator Offshore-Wealth has been advocating for a long time concerning protecting your assets and privacy. On these dubious postings from a person from another forum, well, you all know the score; but, a usual group of you, nevertheless, continue to talk that poster's stuff up and try to keep a controversy about that person's claims going on this board, only to be finally closed at some point or another when the thread gets out of hand. A little comic relief from that practice would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Thelema

Thank you Thelema, I appreciate your comments.

The purpose of this post was not intended to perpetuate the discussion of another forum's member. It was intended to discuss the ramifications of the contents of anybody's post on any given forum.

The first post in this thread was brought out into the light here for discussion regarding the legal implications of posting on open forums and the risks involved.

We have had several wonderful replies and I look forward to the thread continuing in this fashion and not turn into another bashing thread.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by RetMil

There are some funny things about the copied article. First, this can't becoming from any official. They don't warn. Secondly look how they typed WWII. WW11? The referenced quote seems to be from posting by a certain female that lives in Alaska and we have all known here. I maybe wrong but I think this an attempt to give an excuse to not have to reply to a certain rumor she has started elsewhere. Just a little too convenient.

i was thinking the same thing, this is probrably sgs or someone related in the forums to post this,the timing is perfect. we have had plenty of rumors in the past why not post a warning for those ,there used to be over 100 people viewing there off the wall thread no there is like 30 .another one bites the dust.

Originally Posted by Thelema

It's kind of like, "Hey, I may be paranoid, but that doesn't mean people are not after me!" You've got to watch your step in almost every way these days, especially on the internet--what you publish can and maybe will be looked at by anyone from a criminal to the government. And, if you pay careful attention to your privacy rights and the movements of the government to by-pass those rights, you'll see the importance to what fellow moderator Offshore-Wealth has been advocating for a long time concerning protecting your assets and privacy. On these dubious postings from a person from another forum, well, you all know the score; but, a usual group of you, nevertheless, continue to talk that poster's stuff up and try to keep a controversy about that person's claims going on this board, only to be finally closed at some point or another when the thread gets out of hand. A little comic relief from that practice would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Thelema

Good points. Its the same thing as looking at the interstate running close to your house and thinking.. "Gosh I wonder how many murderers and rapists, or how much heroin or crank runners drive down that highway every day". You know there are a few. Always stay alert and watch your actions on the computer.

On the other point. Hey, gotta admit, its been a gas to rip on the Alaskan Trailer Queen lately, right folks??

Originally Posted by Thelema

On these dubious postings from a person from another forum, well, you all know the score; but, a usual group of you, nevertheless, continue to talk that poster's stuff up and try to keep a controversy about that person's claims going on this board, only to be finally closed at some point or another when the thread gets out of hand. A little comic relief from that practice would be appreciated.

Best regards,

Thelema

Well, I would say that there is not much to talk about at the moment. All forums discuss things that are from other forums and all forums bring information (or nonsense) over from other forums - so I don't really see what the problem is.

As for closing threads all the time - like I said - there is not alot going on at the moment so I don't really see why this is being done - and it is somewhat irritating and just leads members to post elsewhere. I understand when there is alot of information to be discussed - but right now - with so few members posting - I say a bit of flexibility would be appreciated.

Roll on the fun.

Those who appreciate our reasonable decorum have no problem; those who don't and wish to disregard our way of doing things to keep the peace and flow of intelligent conversation on this forum are welcome to move one and post elsewhere.

Regards,

Thelema

Originally Posted by Thelema

Those who appreciate our reasonable decorum have no problem; those who don't and wish to disregard our way of doing things to keep the peace and flow of intelligent conversation on this forum are welcome to move one and post elsewhere.

Regards,

Thelema

So no flexibility then? - Shame, real shame - adapting to times and predicaments always good for any business - including forums - 'fluid' comes to mind -just like Iraq.

My comments are in blue below to this poster from another forum.

Originally Posted by Hardwood

Not sure who this person is, but the following is a cut and paste from another site:

Over the last few days I have been following the running commentary under the heading-rumors/predictions/the new Iraq. I have become increasingly concerned over the content of some of the postings. It is apparent that many of your members may not be aware of the potential and damaging consequences of these postings. Several of the postings go beyond speculation and discussion of current news articles and events, which are considered as "open record" or in the public domain. One initiator of these threads, in disseminating information regarding future events, has indicated she has been provided inside knowledge from sources that cannot be disclosed. (Aug 7, 2007, 11:27pm "I am in constant contact with my source", Aug 8, 2007, 5:29pm "My source has been right on all the information I got from them directly, so I tend to believe them", Aug 8, 2007, 9:51am "Yes, I was told last night that Maliki can announce it at any time"). This is indicative that information is being passed that is outside the "open record" or not in the public domain. This is very disturbing, as it would appear to be a security leak or breach of security.

< Over the past months, 'she who is not being named' has give numerous dates to a RV and this has been a concern to anyone before, make you wonder why this time is any different. Also her extrapolation of current news media issues is nothing more than that --- extrapolation. Again this isn't a new from her, she's been doing it for a long, I didn't see any terrorists believing her then so why should the now. You assume she telling the truth, which in turn substantiates your open-record and closed-record stance. But if she's untruthful or is prone to exaggeration it would remove any evidence of credibility. Her past performance again doesn't lend credence either. So if her recent postings are a concern for you, is it possible that you can voucher to its credibility and thus understand your need to post this warning. On contemplation, perhaps you have offered more legitimacy to her extrapolations, as she doesn't seem to quote her alleged source directly. >


The revaluation of the Iraq Dinar represents a tremendous investment opportunity for not only the citizens of Iraq but also for foreign investors. Unfortunately this is a double-edged sword as it also represents the same investment opportunity for terrorist groups. It is a well-known fact that the Internet has provided unprecedented opportunities for terrorists who have become very adept in using the Internet to their advantage. Forums of this type have no safeguards regarding individuals who can view and post to the forum. It should not be a surprise to anyone that law enforcement agencies are also probably monitoring these forums. Any activity that could be considered as a security breach could and probably would be subject to investigation. It would include everyone that participated as well as associates and family members. On Aug 4, 2007, the Senate voted to expand the government’s surveillance ability without requiring a warrant. This would include Internet activity, cell phone use etc. There is an old saying from WW 11 "loose lips sink ships". I believe this is even more relevant today.

< Well I can't argue with the law and if 'she' did have a source and it was proven that she was a security threat to Iraq, then her assets would be in jeporday for sure. However I doubt that everyone associated with her, on forums etc would be collected in the dragnet. But as it is US law, and hope someone in the US govt has the time and effort to sift through all the mindless internet communication, but then who can stop them if they want to. Yes anyone divulging security information exposures themselves for criminal prosecution, there's is no doubt, but it is at best rumors, half truths, etc, then that's more benign IMO -- but offer no guarantee against prosecution. As of today, I have have no rate or date, nor have I purchase any dinar for over a year, nor do I plan to either. No intention of making profit from 'her' information. >


Individuals who have purchased Dinars are almost certainly on the radar. As an example, if you purchased from Chase Bank you were required to provide identification. It is my personal opinion that monetary gains, in the event the Dinar does RV, will certainly be monitored to ensure individuals within the U.S. are not funneling the funds into terrorist coffers. On July 17, 2007, President Bush signed an executive order to block the property of persons who threaten stabilization in Iraq through financial, material, logistical or technical support. This is not limited to individuals oversees.

<This is nothing new. Prior to the NID, such logging of information was always that norm for any currency Euro, USD etc, and is no different for the dinar. Yes you purchase has been recorded. Yes the US govt is aware or it, or if not, has access to the data at best. If you are doing nothing illegal, then you have no reason to fear.

The terrorists don't need a RV to fund they antics. They get donations and always will. With all the Arab press exposure that the dinar's value should appreciate by Iraqi ministers and central bank governors, the fact that she says the same isn't aiding and abetting any terrorists, and it isn't new information either. They already know about it by those is power within the GoI. Let's not fool ourselves they all aren't a bunch of saints.

Regarding the 2nd part of the new law, I conclude for myself that the latter part of your paragraph above is nothing more than a scare tactic; after all a forum reader doesn't pose a threat to Iraq. No illegal activity to worry about, so the law would have no application to anyone as a forum reader.


I do not know the individual that was the initiator of two of these threads, nor do I know any of the administrators. I don’t know if this individual’s information is credible or fictitious. It is really irrelevant as it is being represented as factual. Unfortunately justifying one actions based on altruistic values is reprehensible and irresponsible. In this case considering the topic it could also have adverse legal consequences.

<Yes, you are right it is presented as factual, but it is in the rumor section. If anyone who has read the forums have learned over the years is that no matter what is said, how it is said, by whom it is said, in the rumor section, it is still nothing more than a rumor - Unfounded, subject to exaggeration, inaccuracies and nothing short of complete lies at times. (Buyer beware or should it be Reader beware) The fact that it is in the rumor section, it removes inherent responsibility and places it on the reader not on the poster, this is where readers have a hard time understanding. As regards adverse legal consequence, that would total depend on the law in question and the nature of the information being given.

I am aware of your censorship policy. It is not my intent to start a new round of antagonism. This is simply to raise a red flag regarding the contents of a few of the postings.

You're points are duly note, It is not my intent either start a round of new antagonism, but wished to offer a alternative view of your comments.

Red flag duly noted, and again only needs to be flown when a infraction has occurred.