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    Could The HCL be Done This Coming Week???
    Ok, take a look at these quotes. They are all leading to the finalization of the HCL next week IMO!!!!


    May 8 Most of Iraq's oil production and all of its exports are likely to stop Thursday as its oil union threatens to strike in protest of the draft oil law.

    "The central government must be in total ownership and complete control of production and the export of oil," said Imad Abdul-Hussain, federation deputy chair of the Iraq Federation of Oil Unions, in a statement released Tuesday
    Iraq's government will respond to oil workers who have delayed a strike that could take 1.6 million barrels per day from the market.
    In a news release Tuesday, the Iraqi Federation of Oil Unions said it would stop work Thursday in opposition of the proposed hydrocarbons law, as well as other worker conditions.
    Michael Eisenscher, national coordinator of U.S. Labor Against the War, said the workers postponed the strike until Monday(14/5) "because they had a conversation with somebody at the Oil Ministry who said they wanted to respond to workers demands and needed time to prepare a response."

    Iraqi Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi made his comments in an interview with CNN. He said if key amendments to the Iraq Constitution are not made by May 15, he will step down and pull his 44 Sunni politicians out of the 275-member Iraqi parliament.
    Specifically, he wants guarantees in the constitution that the country won't be split into Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish federal states that he says will disadvantage Sunnis.
    The threat of a walkout by Iraq’s leading Sunni bloc in Parliament and the cabinet seemed to subside Tuesday after a meeting between Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, a Shiite, and Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, a Sunni

    Mr. Hashimi threatened Monday to lead a Sunni boycott by next week unless there was a clear move to change the Constitution so that the country could not be partitioned into separate Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish states — which the Sunnis fear largely because the country’s oil wealth is concentrated in Shiite and Kurdish areas.

    Senior Iraqi Kurdish officials will travel to Baghdad next week(Which means Sunday 13/5) hoping to end an impasse with the central government over a draft oil law to share revenues from the world's third-largest oil reserves. Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, under pressure to push through key legislation Washington says is vital to healing sectarian divisions among Iraq's sects and ethnic groups, told an international economic conference on Iraq last week that the bill had been submitted to parliament for approval.



    Iraq's Kurdish Prime Minister Nejruvan Barzani said he will lead a high-level delegation of Kurdish officials to discuss the annexes with the central government next week.

    "Next week, new negotiations will start over the appendixes to the oil law and the revenue distribution law. I will participate in a large part of these negotiations," Barzani told reporters in the northern city of Arbil late on Wednesday.
    A fair distribution of the oil wealth is vital for national reconciliation because Sunni Arabs, who live in areas with no oil in central and western Iraq, fear a bad deal would cut them off from any windfall. Sunni Arabs are the backbone of the insurgency.

    Iraq's Deputy Prime minister Barham Salih, the chief architect of the draft oil law, told Reuters in an interview earlier this month he was confident a draft oil law would be approved in parliament after officials from the central government and Kurdistan meet to iron out differences.

    Intelligence sources Middle East were present at the meetings of Sharm el-Sheikh agreement has been practically many influential in the Iraqi issue to divide Iraq into three states in the center and a Shiite south under Iranian protection and the State of the Sunni western Iraq under the protection and guardianship Saudi state in the north to protect the Kurdish and American trusteeship Turkish interests with the Iranian because they promised heavy investment in the fledgling Kurdish state and done with the consent of American.

    Intelligence sources say that the American aim of the security plan is, in fact prevent the emergence of a fourth belonging to the base, at the end of the battle with Al Qaeda will go the United States to control the oil wealth to be divided equally between the States and the nascent Iraqi armed forces and Iraqi guarantee protection.

    Sources show that Iran believes in Iraq's Kurdistan great investment opportunities and promising and this reflected by the visit of the Prime Minister of Kurdistan recently to Iran.

    Ok this is how I read all these quotes. The Oil union were threating their strike as of last Thursday, but post poned it unitll Monday because the GOI said give them time to propose the new HCL. Sunni were threaten to leave parliament by the 15th, if their was not a constutional change, where their wont be three states. The reason the Sunnis want a constutional change is because of oil. If the HCL is not completed by June 1, The Kurds and Shiites would go on there own by the constution, thats why we see the contracts being signed by Kurdistan.

    Now there is going to be a big time meeting in Baghdad with KRG and GOI about the HCL head by Barzani.

    The last part I believe is the suprise they were talking about from the ICI. They approach an idea to split the countires into three states and let neigboring contries help with secuirty.

    South-Shiite- Iran
    North- Kurd- Turkey
    West- Sunni- Saudi Arabia

    Then the United States would control the oil revenues and distribute equally between the three states. This plan would satisfy everyone.

    There you go, our new HCL IMO!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by darock0116 View Post
    Could The HCL be Done This Coming Week???
    Ok, take a look at these quotes. They are all leading to the finalization of the HCL next week IMO!!!!

























    Ok this is how I read all these quotes. The Oil union were threating their strike as of last Thursday, but post poned it unitll Monday because the GOI said give them time to propose the new HCL. Sunni were threaten to leave parliament by the 15th, if their was not a constutional change, where their wont be three states. The reason the Sunnis want a constutional change is because of oil. If the HCL is not completed by June 1, The Kurds and Shiites would go on there own by the constution, thats why we see the contracts being signed by Kurdistan.

    Now there is going to be a big time meeting in Baghdad with KRG and GOI about the HCL head by Barzani.

    The last part I believe is the suprise they were talking about from the ICI. They approach an idea to split the countires into three states and let neigboring contries help with secuirty.

    South-Sunni- Iran
    North- Kurd- Turkey
    West- Shiite- Saudi Arabia

    Then the United States would control the oil revenues and distribute equally between the three states. This plan would satisfy everyone.

    There you go, our new HCL IMO!!!!!!
    Good analogy Roc, but I wonder about the South-Sunni-Iran proposal. I don' t think that would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT2154 View Post
    Good analogy Roc, but I wonder about the South-Sunni-Iran proposal. I don' t think that would work.
    Most of the Shiite's are from Iran.
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    Same with Kurdistan and Turkey. Turkey would invade it not secure it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darock0116 View Post
    Could The HCL be Done This Coming Week???
    Ok, take a look at these quotes. They are all leading to the finalization of the HCL next week IMO!!!!
























    Ok this is how I read all these quotes. The Oil union were threating their strike as of last Thursday, but post poned it unitll Monday because the GOI said give them time to propose the new HCL. Sunni were threaten to leave parliament by the 15th, if their was not a constutional change, where their wont be three states. The reason the Sunnis want a constutional change is because of oil. If the HCL is not completed by June 1, The Kurds and Shiites would go on there own by the constution, thats why we see the contracts being signed by Kurdistan.

    Now there is going to be a big time meeting in Baghdad with KRG and GOI about the HCL head by Barzani.

    The last part I believe is the suprise they were talking about from the ICI. They approach an idea to split the countires into three states and let neigboring contries help with secuirty.

    South-Sunni- Iran
    North- Kurd- Turkey
    West- Shiite- Saudi Arabia

    Then the United States would control the oil revenues and distribute equally between the three states. This plan would satisfy everyone.


    There you go, our new HCL IMO!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaview View Post
    Same with Kurdistan and Turkey. Turkey would invade it not secure it.
    Some Turks are in Kurdistan. I am pretty sure they would be compensated well.
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    Although this may appear practical.

    Turkey is an unstable Country. There are two main religious Party's in Turkey - Both Muslim. One devout Muslim and the other non devout Muslims, then there are the Kurds.

    If the Kurds were compensated - this may work short term. But really long term - the Kurds in Turkey would want the boarder moved to encompass them. They would complain and want a share of the oil and to be part of the Kurdish north. With an already unstable Government - therefore a vulnerable Country - this could be catastrophic.

    The Kurdish part of Iraq also has a longer boarder running alongside Iran where there are also large numbers of Kurds living in Iran. Who would patrol that boarder the Turks or the Iranians? Then the Kurds in Iran would complain and want the boarder moved or money from the Government for compensation - what would happen there?

    There would be constant fights along these boarders.

    This part of the Middle East is a mess. In theory the idea is Okay - not sure it would work in practice.

    Of course there was a rumour a while ago suggesting the Egyptians may be helping with security - which would not be a bad idea - again only a rumour from the forums.

    As Crave681 pointed out - you have your Sunni's and Shiites mixed up. This is a slightly longer answer. I could go on and on but I will leave it there for you to ponder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crave681 View Post
    most SHiites are from iran. the shiites in iraq live in the southern area. the sunnis are mostly out west of bagdad in the anbar province. So the iranian sphere of influence would fall in the southern area, and the saudi influence would be in the western area. otherwise, interesting analysis. We ll see what the usa has to say about all this since we still have 150k troops sitting in the middle of it all.
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    The Iraqi Gov't has been told in no uncertain terms to pick up the pace and get things done. So yes, I think you will see the HCL, and a few more completed in the coming week.

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