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16-08-2006, 12:22 PM #151
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Hey Mark...long time no see!
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16-08-2006, 12:43 PM #152
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Hmmm, it appears U R starting all over again ...the instigator that acts more like a Nr# 1 RAT !
I was wondering about that too, concerning Ann's postings and it appeared that one of our MODs did precisely what any MOD would have done. However, it was NOT me as you go about insinuating here...you come back from where you usually hang out just to stir more friction... hence... we had about enough with you sour and stale cheese for your diet... Be GONE like a virus U R, after this!
YB. - cheers to this good riddance for a mouse turned RAT all along....!
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16-08-2006, 02:45 PM #153
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Des!
What are you talking about when you say any moderater would have deleted
my posts! Excuse me...but what is wrong with my showing my support to Bryan and Sharon publicly? For that matter...what is wrong with anyone showing support? Yet...the entire thread was deleted! Incredible!
Below is what I posted! Its the plain truth!
ROL CLUB IS DEFINATELY USING CENSORSHIP!
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16-08-2006, 03:06 PM #154
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What is Censorship?
Censorship is the systematic use of group power to broadly control freedom of speech and expression, largely in regard to secretive matters.
The act of hiding, removing, altering or destroying copies of art or writing so that general public access to it is partially or completely limited.
something that is meant to prevent free expression
Finally:
* Censorship is the act of changing a message, including the act of deletion, between the sender and the receiver, without the sender's and receiver's consent and knowledge.
* Free speech is the right to express any expression in public, and the corresponding right to experience anybody's expressions in public, without being pressured, denied access, arrested, or otherwise punished by anyone, subject to somewhat fuzzy, but fairly well-understood exceptions.
So posting supportive words and the truth, is an exception?
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16-08-2006, 03:22 PM #155
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Ann,
What was meant as I had put it was that the MOD who deleted yr posts did it under the circumstances he/she regard it as such...I have no idea what those posts were but We are all humans here ...each with an opinion and discretion applied to a decision made there & then...and what took place is something I am unaware or have seen what your deleted posts could have been...
However, the one that is now displayed... is allowed to stay on and Marek reiterated too...it is not deleted.
Yes, you have the right of speech and censorship should not be imsconstrued as the way some interpretes it.
Don't forget, the message expressed here can be deceitful as some tried to portray and project and others wants to defend and support and many more tries to disseminate the truth like wise...
I believe yours may have touched a base where it can spark off to a degree that was coinciding with a debate that later turn out to be an admission by bryan himself...
As you can see, your latest posts were not deleted and your ponts to emphasise is well taken but what is your underlying message behind it?
If this forum is not meeting up to your expectations... well, you will carry more weight and attract better response and attention in the other forums who usually are visiting... I think that is a better course to head for... where you are applauded and heard mainly...!
YB. - Cheers to the RC CARE Group....
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16-08-2006, 03:27 PM #156
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I just realise...the tune you are stressing on...is undermined by the magnitude missing here and you should TRULY focus on...DECEPTION. This is an even greater concern...we are witnessing ... and the Censorhip and Free Speech issues are equally vital but is in no way comparable to the degree of damage and credibility poised by Deception!!
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16-08-2006, 03:35 PM #157
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Well, Desmond,
Yes...you are right!
Its time to move on.
My underlying reasons are obvious.
Deletion of posts and threads has been occuring
wildly since Bryan posted. The thread I mentioned
was in no way negative in any aspect. Yet it was
completely wiped out! Why? Because it was reflecting,
sadness, support, and friendship to Bryan?
I will post elsewhere, this forum has dried up for
me and others and since Bryan and others
who are my friends....will no longer frequent here,
well....yes.... farewell...
Goodbye.....
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17-08-2006, 04:41 AM #158
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To Marek and this Club
Thank You.
If it was not for your forum I would not know what had happened to RIPS, I mean PIPS. After seeing the responce from Brian M about having been caught deceiving everyone and how he attacked you, I really became angry. You handled and responded to his unfavorable post quite well.
If BM had done all he claimed about PIPS and how secure all the finances were including the GOLD in Australia, he would be in a better situation. What also angers me is his supposed support in words for children in other countries needing assistance, and that somehow that is now to be blamned on you, for his failure to continue. Last year I worked and helped feed 1385 children from the feed the Children Program run by Larry Jones and his wife. I have the certifacate they sent me on my wall to help motivate me to do more. NOw I am unemployed and cant do as much as I would like to feed the children.
What I have seen in this ROL Club has impressed me as to the honest intent of you and the Mods and for the closure on PIPS. Now I see that it no matter what the origanal intent or Form PIPS was it was headed by a CEO who has less than the best character.
My wife is a British citizen and was born in Labaun Malaysia and when I told here where the supposed Cafe and properties were, she expressed doubts about the return on investment values presented. She also thought that the areas mentioned for real estate investing where lacking future potential. Unless you were going to be a slum landlord.
Irrespective of what anyone thinks personally about PIPS we are only left with the words spoken by the parties who are left in the end. I suspect now that there will be criminal charges brought against BM for fraud as he received monies from us members in HaLatto, never contacted us as to what happened and where our monies went after it went down. or that he had to start another program and is attempting to promote or run another 1 or 2 sites for illegal gains. Fraud is fraud and since he is already under investigataion, I suspect he is just sreaming wolf and trying to blame all others within his limited sad circle. Seems all the Royalty and such in Malaysia have no extra rooms to help BM out. NO personal friends of his have helped him out wither or Sharon for that matter. He must have conned them also.
Thanks Marek and you Mods for all the information you have posted over the past year trying to keep us all informned.
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17-08-2006, 09:33 PM #159
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Some Help/Information
Hello,
I haven't been in the forum before but have kept up on the posts. My husband and I have just been sitting back and trusting in what Bryan has stated in previous posts. Now that I have medical issues that have come up, it became a bit more urgent to see what I could do to at least recoup our initial investments into PIPS.
I couldn't connect to the fax in Malaysia but did call their New York office and spoke with a very nice gentleman who gave me information that I could use and pass along to the rest of you. First, that number for the Bank Negara Malaysia in New York is: 1-212-888-9220. Ask to speak with someone regarding PIPS and you'll be put right through. The representative I was directed to was very helpful although he didn't have a lot of information as to what was going on with the investigation but that, "we'd like to see this resolved quickly because we get so many calls at this office" and that, "The Bank is doing their investigation thoroughly so that there is a positive outcome for everyone. They may not be thrilled but the Bank is working hard to have everyone satisfied." Now, my question is: would that mean we WOULD get our initial investments back? He said, "Maybe not thrilled", so my idea is that we could possibly have to start over. I can't see how things have built up or rolled over while funds have been frozen. (Anyone have some insight in regards to this?).
Now, here's the "to-do" part on our part: email, attention Mr. Johar Mokhtar with your inquiries, concerns, etc. According to the rep in New York, you will probably NOT receive a reply, HOWEVER, it's important that you do this because they are keeping a database of the emails from PIPS members and, going by the "from" they know you are an investor. The rep went on to explain that when the time comes and they release information, the people in the database will be contacted directly. Now, to me that seems MUCH more like it; getting news from the horses' mouth vs. speculation in posts.
I/we completely support Bryan in trying to correct/fix things with PIPS and I'm sure he and his wife have more than their share of stress. Instead of bashing HIM/THEM, I think emails to Mr. Mokhtar, who heads the investigation, an investigation instigated by BNM, WHICH I'M SURE BRYAN COULD NOT HAVE FORESEEN, is MUCH more effective. The more of us who get in the database and send email, maybe they'll get more in gear on their end to put some closure on this messy issue.
Keep the Faith. Do what you can with your emails to the head of this investigation. At least it's more constructive than griping. And at least your gripes are going to the proper source.
Email address removed. I think it is wise not all and sundry send email to Mr. Johar, if you wish to do so then PM this member for the email. - theBat$
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17-01-2007, 04:29 AM #160
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What Is In The Deck?
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I question this information because none of us invested in PIPS. It was my understanding and the information provided stated that we were making a loan to PIPS. Therefore if PIPS stocks failed we as the creditors still should have first claim on the assets. Which would be limited by the time the banks attorneys get their cut. I don't expect anything quickly from the investagation as they are charging against any available funds. calgirl
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