Thread: Hyipeffect ????????

Originally Posted by peterben

Any great growth of the Dinar against the Dollar may not be an easily pegged moment. Who can fortell for certain when the Dinar will rise significantly against the dollar in 2006? It may, for a certain time, only to level off later, etc.

Be sure to check your time frames of the money market. One can easily lose on trading too fast or too slow, depending on the circumstances. In this business one needs to be fast and have solid info early, before the masses find out.

peterben

And what has this to do with Luke's programme?

Originally Posted by Adster

And what has this to do with Luke's programme?

Interesting,

Maybe that is what Luke is waiting for along with the rest of us to pay out on his deal. (g) We use to kid that dinar would pay off before PIPS, now we can say it will pay off before Luke will.

Just my two dinars worth, Mike

looks like it doesnt it.
fat lot of good to me tho.
that money would have given me more dinars, and a life while waiting.

If the re-investor is waiting for pay-out over a long period of time, one has to woinder who he isvested with. Are they scam organizations, perhaps, scamming him directly and you indirectly?

In other words, Luke may be a fine guy with good and honest intentions, but if the places he reinvests the money in are not, then there is trouble. Consider the nest you lay your egg in. If the bird is aware it is not his/hers, it might push the egg out, in which case there is no pasy-out!

So who would you get angry at? Hopefully not Luke, if he didn't see the scam ahead and did what he did with all good intents.

peterben

Originally Posted by peterben

If the re-investor is waiting for pay-out over a long period of time, one has to woinder who he isvested with. Are they scam organizations, perhaps, scamming him directly and you indirectly?

In other words, Luke may be a fine guy with good and honest intentions, but if the places he reinvests the money in are not, then there is trouble. Consider the nest you lay your egg in. If the bird is aware it is not his/hers, it might push the egg out, in which case there is no pasy-out!

So who would you get angry at? Hopefully not Luke, if he didn't see the scam ahead and did what he did with all good intents.

peterben

Interesting,

That is the problem, you join a program and then all they do is invest our money into other ponzi scams, and if you had read the GINS court depositions, that is exactly what they were doing with money invested. So who are we to blame, the admin or whoever took our money, certainly not the unknown black hole that our money was diverted to. It all comes down to the one who took our investment. Hell, anyone can come back and say, gee wiz, sorry, the company ran off with the money I had invested with them. What a joke all these deals are.

Good luck to all, Mike

I invested in HyipEffect mainly due to all the acclamations on this board of how good of a person Luke was. I believe he had good intentions up until the end when all possiblities of contact were lost. Even after that, many of us received "consolation" emails. As is appears now since there isnt any communication of any sort, Luke has joined the ranks of BM and the likes. I'm sorry if this offends anyone and I am sure it will with all "followers till the end" types. While BM may have been a good person to deal with in the beginning, greed sometimes turns even the best of people. Perhaps the whole Pips ideal was an elaborate scheme from the beginning, I dont know nor does anyone else, regardless of what they may say. Only BM knows. I do know that Pips will not return any of the monies lost, that money and all the dreams of those who donated are long gone. Beings how HyipEffect (Luke) has gone this long past due dates, and due to the lack of communication on Luke's part, I feel the same about it as I do Pips.

I still hang around here and read all I can with the glimmer of hope someone will post something tangible, but in reality, I know in my heart I got screwed like so many others. This is my 1st negative post on either of these 2 programs but I am just saying what my heart is feeling and I hope I dont get banned for speaking what I feel. I am invested in the Dinar, a tangible investment, and frequently correspond with the people in that forum.

And your point for posting this in a hyipeffect thread? Go start another one if you want to advertise some crummy programme, don't jump on existing ones.

What is this Offshore all about?

Originally Posted by Jetsa1

I invested in HyipEffect mainly due to all the acclamations on this board of how good of a person Luke was. I believe he had good intentions up until the end when all possiblities of contact were lost. Even after that, many of us received "consolation" emails. As is appears now since there isnt any communication of any sort, Luke has joined the ranks of BM and the likes. I'm sorry if this offends anyone and I am sure it will with all "followers till the end" types. While BM may have been a good person to deal with in the beginning, greed sometimes turns even the best of people. Perhaps the whole Pips ideal was an elaborate scheme from the beginning, I dont know nor does anyone else, regardless of what they may say. Only BM knows. I do know that Pips will not return any of the monies lost, that money and all the dreams of those who donated are long gone. Beings how HyipEffect (Luke) has gone this long past due dates, and due to the lack of communication on Luke's part, I feel the same about it as I do Pips.

I still hang around here and read all I can with the glimmer of hope someone will post something tangible, but in reality, I know in my heart I got screwed like so many others. This is my 1st negative post on either of these 2 programs but I am just saying what my heart is feeling and I hope I dont get banned for speaking what I feel. I am invested in the Dinar, a tangible investment, and frequently correspond with the people in that forum.

Stand by for a nice surprise! I can understand how you feel victimised as there are so many scams and cynical money grabbing people around but the two gentlemen you refer to are not in that category.

It is important to recognise the difference between a scam (fraudulent intent fromday one) and a failed programme.

Many CEOs of programmes that fail, often as a result od unforeseen challenges or circumstances out of their own control (criminality on the part of others is an example) run away and hide. Others stay and try to put things right.

I am involved in three such programmes at the moment and like to support those admins honest efforts to put things back on track.

Equally I deplore the two faced activities of those who do all they can to hamper such efforts in order to place themselves on some imagined high moral ground in the eyes of their readers.

Many of the difficulties faced by admins now are concerned with compliance with money transfer regulations for which the 9/11 terrorist bombing provided such a wonderful excuse for the authorities to ramp up their powers to include almost any transactions of which they do not approve, including many perfectly legitimate ones.

Lets give people who fight on in these trying times the support they deserve.

Michael

Originally Posted by michaelr

Stand by for a nice surprise! I can understand how you feel victimised as there are so many scams and cynical money grabbing people around but the two gentlemen you refer to are not in that category....

Michael

My brain must have the hiccups, for a moment I couldn't seem to find this thread after reading it earlier. Anyway, thanks for your response on Borg's HE program, if that's who you were talking about. Does your information come from Borg or from another source? Thanks for helping us to separate the speculations from something more substantial.

Best regards,

thelema