No wonder the scammers dont want honest programs.....they don't make as much money.
How many got taken by scams on the net since PIPS went down?
Scams that took my $$$:
ExpInvest - One of the biggest scams of 2005
Massive Surf
2 Week Surf
now Club Auto Surf is closed altho its not a scam
Ingenious Packages - also one of the biggest scams of 2005
And there could be more that just haven't pulled the plug yet.
so......in future I'll stick with PIPS. At least I know its honest.
BB.
Got scammed by the following. Sent money from paypal to get e-gold, never received it. Will wait for PIPS.
Name:sophie dritcher
Email:[email protected]
Still waiting on my refund from Trader Jack. Who knows if and when this
will happen.
You are right BB, nothing out there is like PIPS and Bryan. Just look BTI. Poor souls 80% of them turn back to PIPS (alto they like PIPS money).Quote:
Originally Posted by brotherbear
They are brainwashed and majority joined few programs that Gary's puppet Bill organize. They call it diversification. They will soon find out how wrong they are.
In other hand I like if they stay away from PIPS and never come back. We do not need those betray members.
I've invested 500 $ in Globalventuresclub.
After 3 months my passwords were not anymore recognized and
after 4 months the site disappeared from the net and also my money...
I believe in PIPS and I know that this will nog happen.
Thanks for the feedback - Come on members - how many of you have lost money in programs since PIPS went down. What about Invex - that was a biggie, and GCI Surf and Titan Surf - all went down. I'm sure there were a lot of members in those programs too.
Oh yes, and Dornstetten Deutsch Kredit GMBH - another major scam and hacking included. The modus : gave everyone a $50 bonus. Then when people logged into their account to withdraw their bonus to their egold account their accounts got hacked. They not only lost their money in Dornstetten, they lost any egold they had in their account as well. A Phishing ploy.
A loyal true blue PIPster.....behind Bryan 100%.
BB.
anybody subscibes to the investment newsletter that are regularly advertised in teh daily reckoning or knows anybody who has subscribed? if so, what's teh feedback?
I don't remember cause I'm not too interested in any of that stuff now. I am still waiting on one though that keeps saying it is going to pay. I think it's called EZ Investor... I wondered about Dinars, but I just can't get into these programs anymore... I'm only into P-I-P-S! :leader:
I'm in EZ too - been waiting 4-5 months for my money. Maybe I'll see it, maybe not....I don't know at this point.
I love PIPS...
BB,Quote:
Originally Posted by brotherbear
I will go backward instead of forward.I lost in safespenders, novalights,foreign fund, caribe fx,i2d,flo,all the admin of these programs are ANONYMOUS from names to addresses,if not,only a few claim to have known or met the admin(this is for NL).Now,when PIPS went down,I was thinking on putting a little to auto surfing programs but I am a bit skeptical aside from of course,my money was locked in PIPS,that is why I'm still a free member up to present..I would have joined some friends to get in plexpay,fortunately,we did not reach the targeted amount,if not,OMG ! So,I will just wait for PIPS. :)
A few years ago, I was in six figure income. That was pretty much a Pyramid Scheme. I lost some money in it. I've also done MLM's. Never made a thing. Enjoyed some of the products, though. Studio Traffic seems to be doing well, as far as surfing programs go. If anyone is intersted , then PM me.
Mike
pieapple,
Did I understand you to say that you lost money in FX Investments, as
well as 12DailyPro?
I'm confused since both of these are still alive and well?
Maybe I misunderstood.
I too, lost some $$'s in ExpInvest as well :( And talk about rotten timing..Made initial 'investment' and then they went down 2 DAYS before I was scheduled to get my principal monies back..Oh well, live and learn..Thank goodness it was only $100 so it didnt hurt too terribly much..Am sticking with PIPS and that 'other' program to come back :)
Cheers
Roo AKA Pantherjon(P-Jon)
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Originally Posted by brotherbear
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Originally Posted by newlife
Hey newlife
What are you talking about? Billy did NOT organize with Gary. Billy is not working with Gary on anything. He did not/has not promoted or even spoke of Gary N/Warren W. new scam venture. Before you start spreading lies you better get your facts straight. BTI members have not turned their backs on Pips or Bryan we just face the reality that everything is in the hands of BoN and Bryan has his hands tied. So the future of Pips is not dependent upon Bryan's integrity but on a banking entities decision. Now you tell me how comfortable that makes you feel with Pips return?
Also I have lost money recently only in Oceanic Financial...... :nunu: the rest are doing well for me..... For those interested in other ventures PM me for info.....
LOL, I agree! Some have made a little off GTI, but considering it takes 9 months to break even, don't think anyone has actually truly profited yet. OEC, GDI are jokes! I don't know how the CU's doing...I didn't like the fact that you basically had no time for any DD before the door was closed for joining, which was a red flag to me. Sad really...there are quite a few who immediately jump into everyone program Bill tosses out there...Quote:
Originally Posted by newlife
Pippyman....your post came up just as mine did, so I will add this. Before you accuse others of spreading lies, you might want to be careful of the same. You might want to recall, Bill used to speak often with GN, and also, when WW told everyone to withdraw everything they could from Picpay, Bill totally supported that and sent an email to all BTI members telling us to do the same. So, perhaps you should get your facts straight yourself.
BTW - I've been told NOT to invest in any program around Christmas time.
The scammers/hackers and crooks needs money for Xmas too so don't waste your cash.
Waste of time.
bb
wow i seem to be the only one making money...! I do forex trading and am starting a signalling service launched in the new year. If anyone is interested, you can pm me.
brotherbear you are dead on, that is prime time for the scammers.
Hey soaringeagleQuote:
Originally Posted by soaringeagle
I dont want to go off topic here too much. But of course Billy spoke with GN because GN was the General Manager of Pips. :eek: The last time Billy has EVER spoke about GN/WW was right before and right after Pips sites went down.
Of course Billy sent an email suggesting members MAY WANT TO withdrawal into Picpay because obviously WW was a consultant for Pips. :eek: So one would assume he knew the situation of Pips. You act like these two people, GN/WW, were strangers or mortal enemies of the Pips program. You have to remember these two were HIRED BY BRYAN himself. :rolleyes: Why wouldnt anyone take what they say seriously at first??? Many people did because they trusted what they said. And it is apparent that Bryan even trusted them. :eek:
Billy has NEVER supported GN/WW so called "new program/venture" and has NEVER spoken of them since....Those are the facts...... and the last I am going to post on this in this thread.... sorry brotherbear...
Only thing I've put money in since PIPS went down was/is Studio Traffic and 12Daily Pro. And am very glad to see both are still paying. HOWEVER!! Before PIPS, well, that's a different story.
newlife and soaringeagle,
You guys are the type of people who give us average PIPS supporters the cult-follower reputation. There is nothing wrong with diversification, and no Billy is not a member of some secret anti-pips alliance. To say that he and Tex are dishonest is quite frankly pure jealous bullshit being spouted by a couple of extremely deluded people. I don't know what else was offered by BTI as I am not nor have I ever been a member, but the credit union will prove a good investment for those who know how to recognize a real opportunity, or who were lucky enough to come across it. I dont invest in any type of MLM or HYIP schemes so I wouldnt know what to say about any other program endorsed by BTI - but from what ive heard I wouldnt recommend them.
Its absolutely pathetic how aggressive and jealous some people become when they see others succeeding.
As for the other scams mentioned, well I think the problem is people are too enthusiastic. Wait for the opportunities to present themselves that you really truly feel can change your life, and then perform the proper DD to make sure it has a good chance of succeeding. Make sure it is planning to go private in the not-so-distant future. Find and speak with those who have already been researching it and talk with the principal(s), find out what their motives are. Look at the track record of both the program/company and the people responsible for it. Make sure your gut is telling you to go for it. Most importantly stay away from anything that labels itself an HYIP/Cycler/Doubler/ or anything similar and personally I stay away from MLM and anything similar to that as well, though this works for some people. One very important point is to make sure the company is not advertising themselves to the HYIP community. The HYIP community is considered to be a huge source of suckers for the would-be scammers wanting to start an HYIP. Make sure you arent being offered anything without an explanation as to how it can be achieved, then dig for proof. This is what I do and so far PIPS is the only mistake I have made, although I still believe it will come through in the end.
Trade
I never knew there were so many scams out there and that people just send $. Whatever happened to investing your money in actual investments??? Maybe something with some transparency perhaps... There are very good performing investments out there that are regulated by gov't bodies.
I'll admit, I got into PIPS and the dreams just started flowing. But, to keep sending money to online programs and expect a different result may be what some call insane.
Actually I think that fits perfectly with the definition of insanity, brownsfan.
I agree, I tell everyone who I talk to in person who is interested in online investing to stay as far away as possible. Most people will be immediately attracted to the scams, and they wont know what hit them until its too late. It takes years of making the right contacts and connections and researching what is real and what is imaginary, to finally be able to succeed, and for the vast majority this never happens. Some get lucky, but most end up losing more than they can afford or ever planned on losing. I hate it but its just the way this arena works.
Trade
You are totally wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradewinds
First I have only reading privilege at BTI since they cut me off not paying $10/ mo. By only reading (you can too ,and get proof), I am getting sick how those people make fun of PIPS and Bryan.
I do not care if they diversified and make money and I am not jealous, so do not give me that crap.
I only want point out that they turn backs to Bryan when he needs support by all of us in this hard time.
Knowing situation from beginning, I never trusted Billy. He choose to side with GN and WW instead verified things with Bryan. Sure is that at beginning Bryan did not figure GN intentions but things will surface sooner or later.
In other hand I feel sorry starting this comment and open can of worms.
Just forget and lets keep concentrating on our issues.
Trade.....I dont know Billy personally at all and to be quite honest, I have ZERO desire to.....but I will tell you this much....there are quite a few folks out there in cyber-land that 'dislike' Billy just as much as you 'like' him..........so he must not be "all that and a bowl of biscuits", something to ponder on a bit.:wink:
Only program I lost money in is PIPS. All my others are paying me. I guess I won't say the obvious.
There are alot more in cyber-land that dislike bryan. So what is your point here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Style
So spidey - what program do you run? I'm sure it would be an interesting read and, what forums do you visit? I can only guess.
Personally my money is on Bryan and NOTHING else. There are a few surfing programs that work 12Daily, 50Cent so far and Studio Traffic. Nothing else on the net is worth a hill of c*ap. Even if its paying today, its gone tomorrow. And the admins know how to post b.s. to get everyone worked up. That's how the reel the suckers in. Yes, and true- anything posted on a HYIP monitoring site is there as a lure - reel em in and get their cash. Simple as that.
The net has become a prime playground for criminals and quite frankly I'm not paying one more red cent to any of them.
I'll stick with PIPS.
BB.
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Originally Posted by brotherbear
YOU GO BROTHERBEAR ! YOU ARE SO RIGHT !!!!!!!!!
I guess the simple truth is that our perspective is our reality and we all have different perspectives on all of this. In my opinion this 'us and them' mentality that many PIPS members seem to bolster is extremely unproductive and more to the point, downright destructive.
I don't 'like' Billy. I don't even know the man personally. All i'm saying is that I have no reason to believe he has ever had any agenda other than protecting the best interest of his members. To accuse him of anything else is to align yourself with a paranoid and destructive thought pattern, in my opinion. Everyone seems to want to make something of nothing and find a reason for PIPS collapse.
Why accuse people of 'betraying' PIPS when they are just trying to better thier own life in other ways? Guess how much money those who have relied completely on PIPS in the last year have made? Absolutely nothing. Those who participated in other programs didn't betray PIPS, rather they were true to themselves.
By the way, I am not supporting BTI which I have had to state numerous times on this board when arguing with the extremists. I don't know the mentality at their forum and I dont care! Alot of people feel they have lost alot of money with PIPS and are upset, I don't blame them one bit. I choose to support Bryan Marsden, but that is my choice to make.
Trade
All this stuff is high risk, including investing in Stocks and bonds. There is no such thing as low risk. Yes, I have lost big bucks, I am in a large amount of high interest debt, but I am making the payments so far. The fact is I expect to lose more, but so what as long as I win more battles than I lose. That is the name of game.
I hope that PIPS revives and lives long after my childrens, children are gone, but this experience has taught me diversify and continue to risk as prudently as I can.
I believe that what some people think was a scam such as 2weeksurf, was not. It was simple a business that failed due to the inexperience of the operators. I lost money on that one and others which were scams. A lot of money, but we go on as long as we have the resources to go on. Resources quite often does not mean money, but rather a mindset and the intelligence to take prudent actions and sometimes even the temerity to go forth when others would not dare. That often can mean the difference between life and death, let alone failure and success.
i agree that all investment ventures are high risk but thats the game you got to have money to make money :), you got to love to loose money and really love to make it.
i support 12 daily pro and fast market, honest staff, easy to contact, still standing, and making $$.
of course once pips back i can add it back to the list :)
Good to hear about fastmarket. Does anyone have any experience with feederfund?
I belive most programs on the net are scams but there are a few good ones....will they survive - hard to tell with the criminals trying to make life difficult for them. I still believe basically the net is a playground for criminal activity. What better way to raise funds than from a bunch of people desperate to make an income.
bb
I'm making a stack load but you need quite a bit to start....No losses yet but who knows....?
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Originally Posted by Grateful
Good points,
No matter what your experience has been since PIPS, win or lose, only those who were diversified are surviving this long delay with PIPS. I learned long ago, never put all your eggs in one basket, and I am glad I did. I cannot imagine all the poor people who put all their faith in one investment, company, or whatever, programs, loans, etc.
What we have seen here is sad, so many have lost even more on other deals, but if you were diversified to begin with, you wouldn't be chasing the next best deals. All this confirms is what some of us have known for years, most online deals are scams, plain and simple, but some will continue anyway, and that is simply depending on luck. Not that it cannot work from time to time, but depending on luck of the draw is purely gambling.
True success comes to those who are diversifed, across the spectrum, investments, stocks, FOREX, commodities, HYIP's, MLM, whatever, the more the better, this way when you lose one, you have the others to pick up the slack of loss to carry on. We have all lost on deals, that is why we were attracted to PIPS, right? The idea of set and forget was very appealing, but once again, you cannot predict the future of any of these deals, so always take out your investment first and foremost and then let it ride if you are the gambling type.
Using this strategy, it may take a little longer to reach your goals of the BIG return, but at least you won't lose anything if you use this strategy. Always get your ROI first, once you are working with the house money, as in all gambling, then you can afford to take the greater risks each of these online deals involve. Sure has saved me a ton of money over the years, and I would never change strategies of trusting anyone or company. My only loss since PIPS has been Plexpay, and the verdict is still out on that one. Thank goodness, all the other ones are working great, so again, above all, be diversified in all that you do.
Good luck to all, Mike
Wow,
After reading your posts I don't feel like such a sucker. I have not been in any of those programs you mention. Being a Depression kid, I like to go into the "free" stuff and work from there. Have lost a little, but not lots.
Think I'll just do several free surfing programs and if one goes down, then I have the others to keep going.
Still hoping and believing for PIPS. It's the BEST!
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Originally Posted by spidy
And they are quite entitled to their opinion.....just as you are.
I guess that would mean that Bryan isnt "all that and a bowl of biscuits" either then wouldnt it?
Oh, one more thing....you have to have more than 2 posts in this forum before your "opinion" is actually accredited! :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:
1st of all......I am not calling you a liar :rolleyes: but I have to say that if you are involved in "multiple" internet programs (and you did say programs with an s, but you didnt say if they were on the web or not) and you say they "all" are paying........then I have to say that personally I dont believe you.......so please "Oh wisest of investors" list the programs that are paying you.Quote:
Originally Posted by spidy
One more thing......if you dont beleive in PIPS then what in the name of GOD are you doing in the PIPS forum?:rant:
A question for you brotherbear. Are you still involved in that TEAMBUILDING prog? fr-ee.com?Quote:
Originally Posted by brotherbear
I've had a few phone messages from a middle-aged sounding woman to explain how the opportunity works, but she never leaves a phone number to call back. Has this one fallen by the wayside? Or are you still working it?
Alright, that was 4 questions altogether.
I will not put anymore money into HYIP's and don't think that just because they just opened the doors that they'll be around for 2-3 months cause that's not always the case. I joined trueinvestor, sounded very good and professional but lasted, maybe two weeks. I joined Invest league and the site is still up, money is pending but nobody is getting paid. I had $170 pending since the first of Oct. It's a shame cause people that don't know it's a scam are probably still putting money in it. Apparently no one is monitoring these scam artists and they are getting away with BIG Bucks. The only HYIP I do trust at this point is 12dailypro and I started with just $24. I got that back and am money ahead.
I decided rather than risk any more money on these types of programs get one that has future potential, like Igonet. VOiP is the future in telecommunications so it makes sense to me to get in at the start, like people in Microsoft, Excel, Intel etc... Yeah, they went through the growing pains but there are many multi millionairs because they got in early and stuck with it, kinda like I'm doing with PIPS. Igonet's CEO and Admin are very strong well known leaders that can be trusted and have a great track record. If you want to check out Igonet send me a PM and I'll point you in the right direction.
Brenda