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My fellow Rolclub members,
It sure is quiet here in Malaysia. No more new development in the trial. Lets take this time to think back about our decision to join PIPS. I am sure many of you have stories to tell. I personally would like to know more about how our lives have been changed by this. Also inlcude a message you want to say to BM if you meet him again.
Please keep it decent and civil.
theBat$
I for one have learned who my friends are and who aren't as a result of all that has happened since the good days and then when the bad days came. I think there have been a lot of lesons in humility, pride, defeat and then on getting back up and going on. I have learned a lot about patience, endurance, temperament, love, disgust, hurt, grief, sadness, family, friends, and lack of friends. I have learned more about spreading your investments etc. in many different avenues so as to minimise loss. My life probably has not changed that much. Maybe the dreams are not as great but I still have them. I am sure I am more careful.
what I really would like to know from Byran is how did he think he was going to get away with it?? I really don`t understand how anyone in their right mind could sleep at night & not wait for a knock at the door.
The way my life has been changed is that I now have less money than I did before joining PIPS.
As far as saying something to Marsden goes, all I can say is "What goes around, comes around".
I would say that now I don't put as much money into a program. I don't get as greedy or in as big a hurry. Like putting in a decent amount, but not a ridiculous amount. Also I am in only a couple choice programs now and I no longer a hyip (or scam if it is) junkie. I think my instincts are better too. I'm just not that interested in these types of games anymore. I think I've outgrown it.
I guess I wouldn't want to say anything to BM, but if I did, I would be curious to see what made him tick.
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I'd also have to say, I don't plan on a payout, but if it happens I am delightfully surprised. I only believe it when I see it.
I cannot complain one bit about what PIPS did for me. Coming in from Golden Womb I had several accounts, all of which were funded into PIPS. I have far more than broken even. I had the great pleasure of being able to give 7 of them to friends and family, some of whom made some money before Bryan was screwed over by whoever. I personally made enough to take care of some very necessary financial needs and for a few months was able to live without worrying whether I could pay the bills the next month. For those few months of peace, I will be eternally grateful to Bryan and PIPs.
No one will ever convince me that Bryan is a crook. I saw him bail us out too many times to ever think that. At any given time he could have faded into the woodwork and left us truly holding the bag. He never did. True, he probably made some major errors in judgment. But don't we all. That is no crime. If there is a crime it is that he did not check carefully into the law concerning what he was doing.
Okay, naysayers, call me naive, stupid, *****ic, whatever other adjective you can conjure up. I still stand where I am and am praying that not only will Bryan be exonerated, but will come forth triumphant to fulfill his dream of
HELPING THE LITTLE MAN MAKE IT!
hz
I got 10 times what I have invested and I donated all to poor people; that made me more happier. PIPS positively changed my life and helped me think more about needy people.
I invested $1500.00 cash in pips, and encouraged my retired mother to take a chance...she's retired...she trusted me, lost her $700.00 (pension funds), a friend invested (lost her $1000.00-again cash), and then to top it off, the person who introduced me to pips, told me about another program - totally secure, a 2% guaranteed secure fund -$1,000.00 one time investment (are you out there thumper, tiffany and sunshine? and if you are, why are you hiding..it only makes you look more guilty) and fool that I was, I took a chance. So I lost a great deal of cash for myself because I made sure that my mother got her investment back after the "crash", and I made sure my friend got her investment back after the "crash", and as for myself, I learned a very valuable lesson....if it sounds too good to be true...it is! Have I invested in any internet Hyip since? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Do I believe for a second I will ever recoup my losses from Pips? NOT ON YOUR LIFE! Do I believe Brian Marsden is a crook? I absolutely DO. A thief? OF COURSE! Unfortunately, yes, INTENTIONALLY? He will deny it till hell freezes over, I beg to differ. I do believe he is a thief. Do I blame him for my losses. NOT ENTIRELY. I was the fool. I trusted something I could not see, a person I did not know, and a program that came with no written guarantee. Has my life changed? Of course it has. Nobody can take those kinds of personal losses (financially) and not be a changed person if they have to work for every morsel of food they put in their mouth. One full time job, one part time job, and one seasonal job trying to catch up have taught me that. Better to have enough than to dream of having much. I lost much more than I could possibly have ever gained and I am not just talking about wealth. I lost the confidence of my friend, caused my mother concern she need not have felt, entrusted very hard earned dollars in a cyber investment that couldn't possibly have ever paid what it promised or did what it was supposedly intended to do (charitable works), had to work hundreds more hours in order to repay debt to be able to face myself each day, and now.........well now I am exceedingly tired and no I still haven't broken even. I likely never will. Am I angry? Sometimes. Mostly with myself and my own lack of good judgment. Am I sad? Sometimes. Mostly when I think of what I might have done myself with those funds (food, clothing, savings, basic household bills that went unpaid off and on for months for a while). Am I hopeful? Sometimes. Mostly when I get a small bonus or a few extra hours of work during the week. It helps me to realize that my ability to work and continue to earn isn't gone yet. And there is a slim slim slim chance the bank may go as far as to TRY and return funds (if there are any when all is said and done) to those who invested in the pips program. Maybe thats why once every month or two I just pop in here and see if anything has a different flavour. So far....nope.
My life goes on (and on and on) whereas pips does not. And everyone who thought it was "so great" seems to have just "disappeared". From pips on downward. Even people who I met who were all "gung ho" for the program. Where are they now? Just gone..on to other things. That's okay. I know some of them are on the other side, death, some have just abandoned this forum and anything related to pips because of ongoing dappointment, some through just plain old lack of communication. That's okay. We all have our very own personal reasons for being here and doing what we do. I don't judge anyone, I don't know their reasons. I don't need to know. What I do understand is that one program gave each and every one of us a link, we had, for a short time, a bond of interest in our lives...the hope of betterment. Whether for ourselves personally or for someone or something bigger. And that bond has been broken and the links in the chain are separated. It will never be as seamless as it once appeared to be. Mr. Marsden's lack of honesty and belief in the integrity of his "investors" ensured that. Whether his lack of honesty was intentional or fear or uncertainty invoked - it matters not. The point is, he could have told us all the simple truth, the money is gone and I can't get it back. Pips is dead. And it would have been so much easier in the long run for so many of us to deal with in one big walloping shock than watching the slow painful lingering death of it, like it was a cancer or an illness, trying to bandage it and medicate it and mask the symptoms of its dying like he did. That was very cruel.
Enough said. It was a simple question. How has my life changed. In every way. Some of it for the better, some of it, not quite as much so. I do hope everyone reads something in this post that not only they can relate to, but that might help them realize that if you intend to change your personal circumstances, you sometimes have to get your hands a little dirty. And dig in and do it yourself - with all your might. Physically and mentally. Not all of us can just punch a few keystrokes and get wealthy. Not me anyway. Even though I did give it one good strong shot. Live and learn, live and learn, live and learn. Best wishes of course, to all members.
A very interesting display of personal feedbacks and desire to retrospect the need to air one's experience as gained or with regret?
It was very moving indeed and it helped bring the nerves together to analyse the path taken to express the depth of being a Pipster resulting from entrusting one's financial means of hope to a somewhat lost cause that many experienced despite the fortunate few (even if several hundreds saw some payouts in their earlier times) who had benefitted the temporary enlightenment!
personally, I had little to grouse over or seek fulfillment to justify the greater loss that was made over to PI Inc and subsequently ended up in one of BM's avenue pits we like to believe was his personal banking hole!
Nope, privileged as it may sound but not a serious loss however, no lesser than to relate the sadness I can share with the pain & misery experienced by many at various levels and stages but nothing more dreadful than with those that had passed away waiting positively which turned out negative all the way to their death bed!
To answer to the topic question raised, my honest answer may stir a good dose of laugh but it had indeed impacted me to the point that I never had type on the keyboard if I was not involved with Pips and subsequently, dragged into all related online affiliations that came about after being made aware of a different purpose with online involvement including PIPs.
Yes, I started late with computers but did not imagine getting this engrossed with exchanges and coming to know virtual names and like the member author of this thread, we came to meet face to face across thousands of miles crossed... that was and is a wonderful to positive an outcome only to share more common disapproval of the state of how Bryan managed it all that now landed him with the trial of his life I can safely assume.
The loss of my part in the amount is not paramount to disclose here but it is significant to say the least at just how much a deceptive message can cause with a mighty intent to sway minds and trust in believing for the better...even though it appeared that way at first signs of good hope with statistical payouts others can vouch with their fists having taken place and yes, no denying nor envy to them lucky withdrawers but it has not changed the fact of the greater loss and deliberate theft of the belief we see as hope and strife to make things and life an ounce better when it eventually was shattered by the fact of the longterm strategy as laid out to suit his own personal chart (only that secret blueprint remains in his head:eek: ) which we can only and always speculate as intentionally good but was it deemed to be that way if he could bail out in good time? The bail is now literally on him to sort his own hide.:nocomment
In conclusion, it made me typed helluva lot since those days which further increased after being a RC member but since then, came to know what it is like with online virtual involvement to see more diversification and with the hope and efirts put in to improve where possible both with selection and redeeming payouts and tothose that share the common poooling of one or any programs out there... It is a learning experience to this day which is a point I have arrived in looking back and not saying goodbye to all but to have cherish the fact in knowing so many out there who all have a desire to create a different perspective to each own lifestyle and through this common goal, we crossed each other's paths both for good and to a lesser degree, unkindly with some who chose this route to stir more problems we already are enduring and we can do without that really!:fryingpan
Noreal regrets for me accept for the loss I can permit but I won't conceal the fact that it is not the same for thousands more who are perilled by it with more devastating consequences to their everyday life and the burden they are now going through.
My days and dreams to see how the Pips vision will resurfaced is as good as remote now but the new twist turning into another event with hopes I am about to get involved with, with a brick & mortar setup.... that is a new venture I seriously look forward to embark on and I hope that outcome can at least provide some cheers and refresh the smiles for many someday in the future when I get to introduce the prospects made available to ROLClub members... something like a well deserved holiday destination at the expense of ROLClubs management to all the lucky participants involved by simply signing up and try their potluck with their free lot issued by RC!
I am being taken on in a Realty with Travel and Leisure in Property homes in a Paradise location and wil be packing my suitcase and flying out in over 6 weeks or earlier from today. I am indeed looking forward to that new lifestyle, leisure and luxury with vacation homes, both lease and sales and further into a wide range of other possibilities already in existence with the successful company I am joining with.
I will remain with ROLClub for sure and will update the progress as from early December once I get legally registered and setup in the new destination many regard as Paradise... even CNN allowed that admission on their advertising given on their net.
YB. - cheers to all and a new beginning is about to unfold....:beer:
You are right there mate. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by YogiBrood
theBat$
Dreaming is not a bad thing, and fortunately it is cheap as well!
Bryan is an exceptionally shrewd and clever person, and he knew the art of SELLING a dream that too many people would buy into, "THE DREAM" of making the poor people get-rich-fast!....
His other mantra was the donation jippo!....again easy to sell and so cleverly orchestrated.
He made a very very few people (like zag and hzchoice2) happy!...but the majority of the members were cheated and lost their hard earned money!...a very sad experience!
hine
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Originally Posted by the_truth
I have to totally agree with you. I was one of those fools that lost a lot of VERY HARD earned money (Lots of overtime) that I really need now. God How I wish I could go back in time.
-Alan
We might get over the fact that we lost the money. We might live with the fact that our friends or relatives might not talk to us again (who brought who). But time cannot heal the gaping hole in a family's nest egg or the glaring zero in the bank account. If we were poor then, we're twice as poor now.
Hard earned blood and sweat money, some even went to the extent of borrowing money..... Would have, could have, should have and must have....
1. Would have use the money to pay off the debts.... instead of PIPS
2. Could have at least bought something useful ..... instead of numbers on the screen
3. Should have withdrawn much earlier ..... instead of aiming for millions..
4. Must have been... OUTA MY MIND..LOCO...SIAO...GILA...
Anyway, time to go to work. Pick up the pieces. Wait for the trial. Wait for the judgement. Wait for the settlement.
To quote BM, "I have lost everything."
Well so have we, so have we.
theBat$ - what keeps you awake at night?
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Originally Posted by thebat$
Knowing so many had lost to some degree on many fronts, lets hope for some (or many) have done so not because of LOSS OF SLEEP either...:rolleyes: :bow:
Good post there J.:ro_emote:
i met a lot of great people because of Pips and Bryan, and for that i will always be grateful. Along with the great friends that i've made are also valuable business contacts that i've met because of Pips and Bryan, too!
I believe this fits my feelings. I hope some of this money finds its way back to the owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by hzchoice2
The most negative impact PIPS had on me was the aggravation created by Bryan’s silence in the times when he was due updates.
Even if PIPS was to continue, I don’t think it would worth the trouble of making money versus of being abused by Bryan’s inconsiderate attitude.
100% agree with you - even though I havn't had anything myself. I do know some of the history. I think there is more to this than meets the eye, and Bryan is being made an example through possibly his buisiness nievity which he so often showed as well has his blatent stubourness and blind trust of those around him.Quote:
Originally Posted by hzchoice2
PIPS and Bryan introduced me to some really lovely people; to daring to believe that dreams could come true; to trusting after the debacle that was GWPI.
Unfortunately, I have also been introduced to nayslayers, vitriolic voices and those who jumped on what they saw as a gravy train only to be the first complainers when things started to go wrong.
I am horrified by some of the things that have been said and by whom they have been said. The lesson I have learned is that there are good people in this world and then there are the downright unpleasant and there is a stronger element of the latter posting in ROLCLUB at the moment, for which I blame the moderators and to some extent Marek.
The mistake I made was investing too much of my small capital in GWPI. It was my fault - no-one else was to blame. I was relieved and greatful to Bryan for introducing PIPS and thereby allowed me to have an investment after GWPI failed. He did not need to rescue those in GWPI, but he did - at goodness knows what financial cost.
The lesson is do not be greedy. Love everyone as you would wish to be loved yourself. Do not harm anyone in a way you would not wish to be harmed yourself.
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Originally Posted by chantryhil5
Indeed are lessons to be learnt and by which it enriches us to improve for the better..., hopefully for most!:ro_emote: You have yours to thank as many have theirs to look up as well but our MODs cannot be generalised with the intent expressed for shouldering ANY responsibility...
Remember, when you sail out, don't blame the Captain for instructing you to leave the sinking ship despite the decision taken that he is aware of, with the might and naturre of the slapping seawaves about to sink the ship. You board with a risk any ship offers against those waves out there and all crew involved to help you into a life raft should not be blamed for helping you realise it is about time to Jump Ship!
YB. - :cheer: Cheers to you if you now realised you still have time to recover....:biggrin:
I totally agree. BM really messed me up. Up to date I havent recovered from the financial headache. I was warned of the risks...but pressed on.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebat$
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Originally Posted by cashola
If only we could travel back in time, to the exact moment when we were signing the check or making the deposit. STOP!
We can't. I really feel for you, I am in the same boat too. Good luck in solving your problems. God knows we got ours too.
theBat$
For me it is mor experiens.....
As a newbie in HYIP, I lost my shirt. Pips was my first outing and I overstretched myself. So I have been badly broken. I take responsibility for my own mistakes. But PIPS made me a poor man. I was angry at the time.
But everything in life happens for a reason. Now I am recovering because of the lessons I learnt from PIPS. Perhaps I needed that. I decided it was time to move on a year ago. So I am not paying much attention to what happens to the man. I have only myself to blame and I take responsibility for my actions. BM will no doubt have to face the responsibility of his own actions too.
flmnco
All the best to you. I believe you have the right attitude to go far. I feel for your lost and just to let you know that you are not totally to blame. It takes two to tango.Quote:
Originally Posted by flmnco
Take care!
theBat$
It hasn't changed my life.....
I just want to say a few things. I was reading through these latest posts, and I am not sure where I read about losing hopes and dreams over the holidays. I gifted my best friends via pips back when...It gave them hope and security. This past week my best friend lost her sister to brain cancer and her husband(the two I gifted)just found out on Monday Dec 18th that he is not going to be placed on our Canadian Liver Transplant List. He has a liver disease, and is now dying. I am going to their place to cook a Turkey dinner but merry it isn't. When I watch the news and see what 'money' can get you and what you can get away with...I feel for my friends. They have nothing, no money and no hope. He is on a small disablity fund which covers only the rent...I do not care at this point about Bryan and his three meals and bed. I am sorry I am usually just a reader here, but I guess in my powerlessness to help friends I have known for over twenty years, I needed to vent. May God Bless us all and keep us warm, fed and healthy.
Debbie
I will be closing this thread and a string of others as well that are rather repetitive and only leads to confusion and disarray for returning members wanting to trace or track related posts concerning the current development some call it a stupid saga, a farce and even a silly & endless waste of time, well whatever anyone feels opinionated by their individual viewpoints or argument, the Trial on the Marsdens is NOT over and far from closure hence, a main sticky thread will cater to that attention
at this link>>>:
Any further new threads open just for the sake of an individual's ignorance to the progress surrounding the Marsdens or the Trial or anything else on PIPS or PicPay and all the parties involved will find their newly created thread deleted. Issues related to the past and further back in the past, will be posted in the above thread, click that and stay there with your submitted posts please. This is a start of some pruning and spring cleaning on the PIPS related Forum.