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I for One believe there is much more to this story than has been told or will ever be told.
When there is as much money that is involved....the amount that is being discussed $3 million is just from a specific time and is only a very small amount of money that was in PIPS.(this is meant to confuse & misinform us into believing that was all that is involved here it seems)
This is only what the dollar amount(3 million) charges brought against Bryan & Sharon Marsden as related to Picpay transactions, which appear to be improper,currently are if I understand this properly.
Wake Up people!!! ....You better get your info from more than your local newspaper!!!
Don't buy into what some people would want you to believe for their own reasons & agenda...
The truth(at least part of it) will come out at the TRIAL & this is WHY BRIAN WANTS to GO TO TRIAL!!!
Don't minimize this as a 3 Million dollar Financial blunder*****that is BS!!!
There is more there....Substantially more... & everyone that has half a Walnut of a brain knows that IF YOU HIDE THE MONEY & MINIMIZE THE CRIME into a MINOR EVENT...the buzz will go away & the PRESS WILL TOO!!!
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN???
YOU TELL ME!!! USE YOUR HEADS PEOPLE...
DON'T PAY FOR BAD INFORMATION!!!
DEMAND TO SEE TRANSCRIPTS FROM THE TRIAL!!!
DEMAND THAT THERE ARE TRANSCRIPTS!!!!
ALOT OF MONEY IS MISSING HERE!
THE CENTRAL BANK OF MALAYSIA IS INVOLVED!
PAYOFF!!! ....CORRUPTION.....SPIN>>>....FROM WITHIN
What am I talking about....Well...The masses fall in line & people tell their stories & change their tunes to suit themselves.
SAY this post is rediculous but I am just trying to get you to use your own mind...rather than just Thank the Leaders & pat them on the back with Thank You's.
WE WILL SEE WHAT REALLY IS UP AT THE TRIAL...as far as ROLCLUB/TALKGOLD goes...(what are you doing to help people get their money back or really find out what BRYAN meant when he said IT ISN't REALL TRUE UNLESS IT COMES FROM HIM?...HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF SOMETHING...HAS HE BEEN FOUND GUILTY YET?
I WOULD HOPE IF YOU OR I were accused of a crime we would get our day in court.The Max sentence is 5 yrs-doesn't sound too serious does it?
I don't know about Malaysian Law but in the USA if 5 yrs was the Maximum sentence a prosecuter could bring against you(I think you can get that by urinating on a tree in a public park while singing Disco songs to Tourists in Iambic Pentameter) then even if you are sentenced for 5 yrs ,you could be out in 2 with good behavior...
If you think this was sent in bad taste I apologize but GET READY because I believe the BEST IS YET TO COME!!!!!
Mike from Clearwater,Fl.USA
Great post Mike. You make sense.
This guy Owen did not answer my question from previous post about book. Wonder why?
书是错误的
To the best of my knowledge, all the facts quoted in the book are accurate.
Information was gathered as it would be for any investigative book, such as my previous one on a banking and investment scam, One Big Fib, which is now being used as a casebook by some of the lawyers at the upcoming trial.
As for buying the book, I suggest you might try some research yourself. I have offered the E-Book in PDF format to members of this forum for some time - if you haven't spotted that, I suggest you do a little reading.
And your question was not answered earlier since I suspect that I am on a slightly different time zone from yourself. Just another bit of research!
Interesting Questar,
You obviously still believe Bryan was telling the truth, yet we now know he lied from the start, so although your argument would be worth listening to if not for the lies, it means nothing since Byran is a confirmed liar, and was from start.
As to your issue about 5 years is nothing, it would be on each count, and by the time this is all done, there will be hundreds of counts they way it looks now. It is one thing to do one illegal transaction, it is entirely another when there are 70+, each carrying the up to 5 year prison term and fines.
The only lie I want to believe from Bryan is when he said he has nothing left when arraigned, I hope that is not true, but then again, this is probably the only time he has ever told the truth. Sad to think some people still believe in Bryan, but you are only fooling yourself, so read Owen's book and see for yourself how it connects a few more dots in scam.
Good luck to all, Mike
The truth is when you set up a Corporation "You" dont own any of the assets,the Corporation does-When Bryan states he does not have anything left is the most basic forms of Defense in Asset Protection which teaches to get everything out of your name.I know since I am in that field & we swt up a number of Corporate Structures to do this exactly.
Do you really think Bryan didn't take the nessesary steps toshelter that money(laughing.......) please don't think people are ignorant....Brayan is an intelligent man regardless of people who want to "Demonize" him now.
This does not make what he did right & I am not saying that I believe what I am hearing from either side -What I am saying is I don't think we have the "Whole Story" that is all....It will come out at the trial -That is th way it is supposed to!
Don't underestimate Bryan-it just isn't as simple as people want to believe & we will see..
I'm not selling a book here!
Mike from Clearwater,Fl. USA
I guess the % of truth you wish to gauge lies within the depth of your perception to facts and also to the understanding of just how much you truly grasp and had experienced with the debacle surrounding PI Inc as a whole and not forgetting the public statements from the podium that BM made during his tour of tales that are more lies than truth as it now turns out...:rolleyes:
I wouldn't really see the need to give %figure myself as that would be putting words into your mind...when a book is meant to offer you an alternate perspective whether you believe the contents as projected or completely laugh it off as nonsense...:biggrin:
:cheer: Time will tell & truth be revealed and perhaps thanks to the Malaysian courts for proving most speculations and die-hards their right from wrongs someday soon!:ro_emote:
YB. - cheers to all affected badly and to chin up somehow!:beer:
Once again the point should be made that the current charges against the Marsden's do not relate to Pips as a company. The Marsdens are charged personally with money laundering, which involved transfers from Pips accounts to their own personal accounts. Bank Negara are still investigating the company matters.
Owen -I appreciate your extensive research on the subject matter.
Have you ever owned a Corporation?
Just Curious since I know alot of Liberal University Professors that teach courses on Business....yet have never owned one...
I just am tired of the HYPE of everyone trying to say what happened without the FACTS completely being known...
Do you really think all the money is gone?
Maybe it is...where do you think it went...Bryan never invested it with Forex Traders? ...really...He never Secured any of it in Accounts that he didn't want to be found too easy.
Why do you think everyone got so frustrated who was working with him...he wouldn't divulge the information-lol-just like he said it was all in his head...
He was keeping everyone who wanted access to the FUNDS at a DISTANCE...THE MONEY IS THERE I Believe.
YOU JUST CAN'T FIND IT RIGHT NOW.
YOU GAVE UP TOO SOON...OR...BRYAN WAS SMARTER THAN YOU GAVE HIM CREDIT FOR.
HIS DREAM MAY BE OVER...HE MAY DO EXTENSIVE JAILTIME...MANY PEOPLE MAY HAVE BEEN DEFRAUDED...
GREED MAY HAVE PREVAILED IN THE END.
I am someone who never received a penny from Pips & Put some of my personal Funds in their Loan Account with hopes of a Return.
I would like my initial money that I put up returned(as everone should want)& more ...however the Messengers here say it is all gone & it was basically never there it seems...
Bring us down gently seems to be the Formula ...for the Pips People who didn't get anything out & wern't informed
in time to get the money from their loan accts into PicPay where it was subject to further regulations that protect it.
I remember people saying get your money into PicPay fast!
(or loose it)
Now what it seems is being said is the PicPay money isn't even there...hmmm....what a mess...hard to swallow & believe.
Owen I requested your e-mail book info & didn't get it yet.
Possibly you could foreward a link where I could download it & read or e-mail to me.
Well...Dreams are CREATED & DESTROYED EVERY DAY...
Are there any programs out there now that REALLY do what PIPS was supposed to do by returning 2% per day return from FOREX TRADING that are not going to Blow UP in our face that any of you are prepared to ENDORSE
with your Great Abilities of DUE DILLIGENCE since we know what happend to GINS & PLEXPAY etc...
I for One am getting TIRED of the MONEYGAMES of HYIP that all blow up.
I would like(as many real people here)a REAL LONG TERM INVESTMENT VEHICLE backed by a track record & legitimacy that can be traceable & accountable.
I along w/ many other Investors have funds available for this.(no Ponzi's...MoneyGames...HYIP etc.....REAL ACCOUNTS VERIFIABLE!!!)
WHAT SAY YOU?
Mike in Clearwater,Fl. USA
(and yes I have an International Ofshore Corporation that is Legitimate & set up & running if the Company can't or won't DO BUSINESS WITH AMERICAN INDIVIDUALS for obvious reasons)
We already deal w/ a Forex Co. that is getting great returns but you have to have an offshore Corp in order to invest with them for their own reasons they have decided this is a criteria for doing business with them.
Hi Qwestar - let me have your E-maill address at [email protected] and you shall have the file.
And yes, I may not have "owned" a corporation but I was on the board of a substantial offshore bank and director of many of their subsidiaries.
Owen.
I am not insinuating anything about your Corporation "BUDT-TIGHT"-(Whoops another misspell sorry) Corporations as you well know can be owned by other Corporations or Shareholders and many different Entities & Arrangements.
The only point I made was that Bryan can Legally Claim the he personally does not own anything left in his name
& have Assets from PIPS hidden in a number of ways whether you or I like it or not.
If you can't find it then what?
By the way I don't know you or anything about the way you run your Corporation nor with your Attitude would I ever want you as a client.
If you don't like what I am saying or agree with it that's ok,I am just expressing some ideas & not attacking anyone personally...unlike yourself,& yes I own several Corporations & also work for a Company that specializes in Asset Protection,Wealth Management,Financial Privacy & Taxation Strategy so whats your point?
I do misspell things when I am in a hurry just like yourself if you look at your post to me trying to insult me!
I wish you the best...just like all that come here that have lost money in HYIP & other investment programs.
Just dont shovel your insults at me simply because I don't believe in what you do.
We still have a TRIAL to listen to and that is what I will wait for...Then I will write my book!(lol)
Have a Good Day!
Mike from Clearwater,Fl. USA
I'm guessing lambo must have had a really sad life and been subject to a lot of abuse to end up being someone who carries so much hate....
Nonetheless, I think statements like that is a good reason to ban him. (regardless who the statement is aimed at)
Best wishes,
Rolbuddy
Qwestar (Mike)
Since I can't send you PM( Amin. is protectiing from members to leave, I guess)
Please be careful with this guy Owen in sending him a e-mail. You do not know for who he is working and what his intentions are. I would not trust him at all.
But again, it's up to you to decide.
小心和有好天
Qwestar, I am with you 100%. You make a lot of sense to me. And no doubt you are right when you say a lot has yet to come out. We havn't heard all of it yet. The bottom line is ' innocent until proven guilty'. I'm not saying Bryan Marsden is innocent but he hasn't yet been proven guilty either. (except in some peoples minds). Let the court decide that. Its such an established tenet of the legal system in the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and probably Malaysia as well. Lets hear all before we make a final decision about the case.
First, I was reading forum way before I joined.
Second, why you think I stir for trouble. I read posts and analyzing intentions of person to make my conclusion.
I am entitle of opinion same as you for yours.
You do not want tell me that this forum is one "way street" in matter of opinions, do you?
I do not let myself sell to wrong brainwashing. I will wait for final court outcome to face reality.
Also may be I know more that you think I do, but that is an other issue.
有好天
Perhaps he may be having a wild wander with a pint in his hand and having a good outburst as anyone is entitled to in Hyde Park....:biggrin: :rofl:
But not disgusting to warrant a ban...treat it as some cockney pub talk if I were you...it helps break the ice too!:thumbsup: :ro_emote:
YB.:beer: cheers to all light hearted drinkers!!!
Well I go to the foot of our stairs! Stroll on! Someone's 'avin' a pop at me old "Chinas" from Cockney Land? And wot's wrong wiv a beer in the old Hyde Park. Bit posh for us. We fancy a pint of cockles down the old kent road mate!
Just joking folks. Please allow an eccentric Englishman to have a gentle josh at his international friends.
Peace and good fortune to all friends here no matter what our cultural origins!
If I kill a man and get found "not guilty", that doesn't stop me from actually being guilty....
The problem with "guilty by jury" is that most jurys are stupid. The PIPS case is likely to be difficult and technical, and those on the jury not so savvy with these things will have a hard time keeping up with it all.
That said, an entire year of investigation before charging must mean they have a pretty good case.
I suppose it's possible that BM will come up with his magic formula, show them where the money is that they have thus far overlooked, and prove beyond all doubt that the only withdrawal delays were due to external factors. If this happens I'll be the first one to get down on my knees and apologise for doubting him.
But somehow, I don't think that's going to happen.
I believe he's German - so sauerkraut and spattleise perhaps.
Nej - somehow I think you're right. And is it a jury trial anyway? I doubt it.
As I've mentioned before somewhere, money laundering accusations are very hard to rebut. The prosecution not only hold all the aces but also all the bank records of the transactions.
Interesting... I assumed that as Malaysian law is based on UK law that all would have a right to be tried by their peers. Is this not the case?
I would have thought that some kind of plea-bargain might be offered at some point. Proving however many illegalities may be tricky and time consuming. It might be easier for them to offer BM, say 10 years if he changes his mind and pleads guilty.
He'd probably not take it though, stubborn until the end!
I really don't know. But I wondered since BNM have incredibly sweeping powers.
I'm certain they would prefer not to waste time with some fifty odd charges so you may be right - on both those counts!
Gary & Warren took the Money,then Financed Owen's book slipped Bryan & Sharon a Mickey every day for 6 months so they forgot what really happened, paid off BNM Investigators,convinced Rolclub Admin to turn on Brian & Expose him & shot the real 10x5 owner & burried him under the old PIPS BISTRO,...The remaining Co-Conspirators consisting of current ROL Club Super Mods & Senior Posters overflowing with innate wisdom hired an Asset-Protection firm with "tricks up their sleeves" to secretly hide the billions of dollars from successful highly leveraged Forex-trading accounts that were then Secretely deposited into an Offshore-Wealth Account by a Highly regarded International Private-Banker from Geneva who unfortunately reccomended on a whim one afternoon while sipping a Congac and nibbling on Dark Chocolate,in Brussels,after a quaint bycicle ride near the river,to invest the majority of the hidden funds into (SI,12DP,&SYNCINVEST,GINS,PLEXPAY & Private Midas Fund) after a group meeting of Highly regarded advisors from TalkGold}hence the obvious reason we are all still her BS'ing about where all the money is ...It is just a little tied up for now.
Does anybody else see what obviously has happened here-lol!
It's all coming together for me too!
Mike From Clearwater,Fl. USA
Hehe...either U R a "whatevergate" freakout with Bob Woodward's works....that get U easily wormed & engrossed in your current delusions orrr, just another X-Box weirdo lost in cyberspace games reality who needs a serious checkout with a New York shrink (hmmm, I shall leave OSW's suited recommendation on this) :blueh: with a start of a blue pill to get you all tuned up for the treatment....:rofl:
What a freakin rhetoric & preposterous analogy you just guggled out!!! I don't suppose you lost a dime more after your initial $25 input that was earlier allowed by Bryan???....:biggrin:
Give us all a Quiet break here to enjoy the Stars up there...it should probably cause Owen's, Paris omellete to flip a sausalito before he knifed it with Dijon mosterd!!!:rofl: :biggrin:
What a slimey Saturday supposition....:biggrin: I can drink to that as you know....hahaaaa:beer:
It was quite funny though...
I agree - but I wish Gary and Warren had subsidised the book. I'm sure they'd have been more generous than my publisher!
Yogi - the best omelettes come from Mere Poularde at Mont. St. Michel, not Paris!
Hi Mr. Platt,
After reading your messege somewhere on this board I sent you email requesting the link for your FREE eBook but recieved none. Would you tell why?
Hi the bear,
You should have - better send it to me again .
Owen.
That goes for my request(s) too, both through PM sent much earlier and emailed to you as well for a copy(or hardcopy/paperback, it doesn't matter), and wondered if you respond formally as acknowledgement prior to dispatching your book?
As for the Paris omelette, yes thats true but using Paris was to indicate, it even doesn't come close to satisfy an unpalatable Paris omelette with his ridiculous allegations....!:noserious
YB. :beer:
Same here Owen. I sent an email to the address you gave five days ago to take you up on your offer but no reply. Please check your email. Thanks.
Best regards,
thelema
Owen......giving away more that you sell ?
See everyone....its not all about the money.
Unfortunately, since I don't know your E-Mail addresses, I can't say I haven't received it. The request from The bear was actually sent on the 10th. They have now resent and it arrived OK. So perhaps you'll resend your mail.