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hi all
its been a while.
i dont know what to believe anymore after reading so many threads and not one is a positive feedback we pipsters so readily crave for.
i used to be on all of the time checking for any news on the pips saga.
now its every so often.
other people say its over finished get on with your lives whilst the others (myself included) hope pips resurface.
the question i would like an answer to is
"is pips finished and will we ever see our investment money again"
regards
ronnieollie
94% of people SAY it will be back, but if BM suddenly posted that he is accepting new deposits/donations I doubt they would put their money where their mouth is :-)
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...ot-return.html
The situation has been the same for over 1½ years, some (a.k.a. the trolls) would like to get their money out but BM refuses to pay up.
Hi ronnieollie,
As much as I wish, as well as others wish, only one person can express
their true answer.
SO FAR..............
Wouldn't it be more correct to state "I think that ..."? Please take some distance from your own beliefs and keep it to the most reliable info, certainly when informing a member who isn't up to date and wants to catch up. Thank you...Quote:
Originally Posted by WerkostoGuru
As far as I know, Bryan wanting to pay is not the main issue at this moment. An investigation going on at BNM (*) is... and it's a wait and see game for the results, which may take still quite a while.
Take care,
Hasse
(*)
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...officer-7.html
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...oint-view.html
I thought there is an investigation because BM refused to pay up from 2005 onwards (the investigation started much later in 2005)... Is there a different calendar on your planet (sorry, no pun intended)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasse
If someone just wants their money back then what difference does the investigation make for them? Bank Negara will not pay any refunds out of their own pocket. The investigation _might_ eventually reveal when/how/why BM ran with the money.
Let's ask BM, he could clear this up in one post by stating why he stopped paying, how much money "there" is and where is it now. Oh, I forgot - he ran from this forum too!
All of these po... programs are just about the money and anyone who wants to know the truth can find out by making a withdrawal and in three days (old TOS if I remember correctly) they will know.
WerkostoGuru you are absolutely right.
Quote:"I thought there is an investigation because BM refused to pay up from 2005 onwards"
Of course. BM refused to pay to us and to merchants and merchants first alarmed BN because they suspected very bog fraud: e-currency company without cash. They sold a lot of items, transactions went complete, but Bryan for long months refused to pay.
First it was his invention that people can use PicPay to but merchandise etc in case they cannot withdraw funds, and efter some time refused to pay to merchants as always said he encountered new problems. Sure we are used to them.
Please note Gary and members of his staff often said withdrawals will be processed very soon and thenBryan appeared who said new problems appeared.
I will tell you something more: faulty are members of Hawaii convention too! At this moment we all received a lot of red alerts and warnings that something is wrong, but NO ONE AT HAWAII CONVENTION ASKED BRYAN ANY IMPORTANT HARD QUESTSION!!! Nobody!
Where on earth did you get THAT figure?? I would guess well over 50% do NOT think it will be back, and probably many more than that. But I'm just speculating, you present yours as if it is a fact...interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by WerkostoGuru
Interesting point.It all depends where you get your opinions from.This was a pro PIPS forum, so you would get a positive response.At TG it would be a negative response.In any event,there is only a fraction of the 150000 membership on these forums, but i would bet that overall, most members have given up on a comeback.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajk64
:waiting:
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...ot-return.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by ajk64
-So what do you think, pips will return or pips will not return?
-I think Pips WILL return 265
-I think pips will not return 16
This is not a fact in your opinion? In my previous post I pointed out that this is what people SAY they think, I would also guess that most do not THINK it will be back :-) There is no way of knowing what everyone thinks but this is the only statistic we have on the subject (poll from 20.6. to 18.8.).
i would like pips to return.even if its to get what we have have invested in and the monies on hold.(which is £25000 uk pounds)
to me this has gone on for far too long.:waiting: :waiting:
its frustrating because when i joined i raved on to a few friends on how good this is and how much money we would be making.
now ive got "we told you so" by quite a few people. pretty embarassing.
cheers for your replies
I don't believe that this poll has been kept up to date in light of recent events.Quote:
Originally Posted by WerkostoGuru
Good point,Quote:
Originally Posted by BeerHunter
I agree, many who were hanging on with wishful thinking are not quite as confident after learning of the two other incognito programs Bryan Barry was running. I see MechCash has now been stopped, so you have to wonder why? As to the 10X5 deal, these all die in time, so time will tell if anyone will continue to support it now that the truth is out.
If a poll was taken now, it surely will be a far cry from what it was. And since Byran and Barry have already said they will not be back to ROL, I'll bet that more people will vote honestly, rather than wishfully as many did in the first poll. After all, no one wanted to poopoo Bryan thinking they may lose their accounts when or if it ever returned. Everyone knows they voted with a large degree of wishful thinking, not logics, so maybe it is time for another poll. (g)
Good luck to all, Mike
Hi Mike,
Regarding the "poll" I stated that I hoped Pips would return, but I had no idea whether or not it would. That was counted as a "yes, Pips WILL return" vote. I seem to recall quite a few opinions were counted this way.
W,
thanks for the no pun intended :biggrin: but I can't agree.
Afaik there's only one fact: 'We did not get payed'.
From the moment you interpret this fact as 'He could not pay' or 'He refused to pay'... the fact is turned into an opinion. And BNM will (hopefully) shed some light on which one is correct.
So you answered this member with opinion... while imo correct information should be facts first, then opinions (and if both, having them clearly seperated). That's all I wanted to point out.
Same planet, same calender, different view - no problem to have different opinions or reservations here. But if everybody would speak and act fully making the appropriate distinction between 'it is' and 'I think', that could make a planet of difference :wink:.
Take care,
Hasse
ps aidonbecky, besided the semantics here above: actually imo it doesn't matter how many do or do not think pips comes back... as no one here can imo give you a definitive answer. So... don't rely on it, move on but keep in touch is the best advise I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by WerkostoGuruI thought there is an investigation because BM refused to pay up from 2005 onwards (the investigation started much later in 2005)... Is there a different calendar on your planet (sorry, no pun intended)?
If someone just wants their money back then what difference does the investigation make for them? Bank Negara will not pay any refunds out of their own pocket. The investigation _might_ eventually reveal when/how/why BM ran with the money.
Let's ask BM, he could clear this up in one post by stating why he stopped paying, how much money "there" is and where is it now. Oh, I forgot - he ran from this forum too!
All of these po... programs are just about the money and anyone who wants to know the truth can find out by making a withdrawal and in three days (old TOS if I remember correctly) they will know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HasseWouldn't it be more correct to state "I think that ..."? Please take some distance from your own beliefs and keep it to the most reliable info, certainly when informing a member who isn't up to date and wants to catch up. Thank you...
As far as I know, Bryan wanting to pay is not the main issue at this moment. An investigation going on at BNM (*) is... and it's a wait and see game for the results, which may take still quite a while.
Take care,
Hasse
(*)
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...officer-7.html
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...oint-view.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by WerkostoGuru94% of people SAY it will be back, but if BM suddenly posted that he is accepting new deposits/donations I doubt they would put their money where their mouth is :-)
http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-status-case-still-pending-bnm/8333-pips-will-return-pips-will-not-return.html
The situation has been the same for over 1½ years, some (a.k.a. the trolls) would like to get their money out but BM refuses to pay up.Quote:
Originally Posted by aidonbecky