Folks!!!!! I Need Help!!!

I've been away for awhile.... WHAT HAPPEN YESTERDAY??????? I don't understand Marek's post (I'm slow) & Bryan's response. Is Bryan saying b/c he started another program with a different identity he's at risk of losing that program (10x5) and as a direct result PIPs won't come back?????? Can someone explain it to me in laymans terms. PLease!! I would like to update my family & friends w/ something creditable that they (and me) can understand. Where did all of that 2% money go?? I'm not talking about the R.O.I or R.O.L. I'm talking about the millions fronted to Bryan by his investors.

Bryan seemed quite angry in his post. What I don't understand is how can a man in god Conscience leave us hanging when we fronted him so much money. I just want my money back. Can someone please take the time to break it down in simple terms for me & others. Thanks in advance.


-Alan

Okay, I'll try to do it:

1) Somehow Marek found out that both Bryan Marsden and "Barry James", the CEO of 10by5 Cycler, were posting from the same ISP. A search revealed that this ISP was leading to Kuala Lumpur although "Barry James" claimed he was living in Singapore. Marek also found out that somebody had been posting at Talkgold from the same ISP, using 3 different usernames there. At least 2 more programs are linked to these names.

2) Marek asked "Barry James" for an explanation, but BJ reacted in a very unfriendly way and denied anything of this was true.

3) After Marek had given BM/BJ 48 hours to come out clean and he did not react at all, Marek posted the info here, as he felt that forum members had the right to know the truth.

4) BM reacted with the post that you've mentioned. He admitted that Bryan Marsden and "Barry James" are the same person, but he could not see anything wrong in what he was doing. Instead of blaming himself he blames Marek. In his opinion his humanitarian activities and the fact that every program he tried to bring out under his own name had been brought down by the trolls justify it all. So he accused Marek of risking the success of the 10by5 Cycler, and said that if that program would fail again, he would quit everything and not bring PIPS back to life after the end of the investigation, and that would be Marek's fault only.... He also announced that he would never visit this forum again.

5) Marek replied to this with the excellent post that you know.

This is just a brief summary. I hope it helps you!

Love, Antje

P.S.: If you (or anyone else seeing this thread) prefer to read it all by yourself, here are the shortcuts to the most important posts in the correct order:
1) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...-up#post100497
2) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101214
3) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101362
4) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101439

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Originally Posted by antjesz2

Okay, I'll try to do it:

1) Marek also found out that somebody had been posting at Talkgold from the same ISP, using 3 different usernames there. At least 2 more programs are linked to these names.

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Bryan was posting in Talk Gold while he didn't have the time to write a word to us?

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Originally Posted by way2go

Bryan was posting in Talk Gold while he didn't have the time to write a word to us?

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Whats more, no refunds on HA or even an update on the HA situation.

Very disappointing.Totally unfair to blame Marek.

Well, I am disappointed to say the least in our Mr BM regarding all of this deceit!

There is something pathologically wrong with him. Claiming to be some great humanitarian, but doing NOTHING about (or for) his PIPs members who are in the same if not worse conditions as those he claims to be helping. My thoughts and opinions have severely deteriorated towards our 'beloved' BM!

I know he will never see this. I pray he gets some help!

It is frightening how he can so easily blame others for his BS! To attempt to put any of this on Marek is foolish, rediculous and completly unfounded. It appears that BM has completly lost his mind!!

IMHO

GOD bless you BM!!

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Originally Posted by antjesz2

Okay, I'll try to do it:

1) Somehow Marek found out that both Bryan Marsden and "Barry James", the CEO of 10by5 Cycler, were posting from the same ISP. A search revealed that this ISP was leading to Kuala Lumpur although "Barry James" claimed he was living in Singapore. Marek also found out that somebody had been posting at Talkgold from the same ISP, using 3 different usernames there. At least 2 more programs are linked to these names.

2) Marek asked "Barry James" for an explanation, but BJ reacted in a very unfriendly way and denied anything of this was true.

3) After Marek had given BM/BJ 48 hours to come out clean and he did not react at all, Marek posted the info here, as he felt that forum members had the right to know the truth.

4) BM reacted with the post that you've mentioned. He admitted that Bryan Marsden and "Barry James" are the same person, but he could not see anything wrong in what he was doing. Instead of blaming himself he blames Marek. In his opinion his humanitarian activities and the fact that every program he tried to bring out under his own name had been brought down by the trolls justify it all. So he accused Marek of risking the success of the 10by5 Cycler, and said that if that program would fail again, he would quit everything and not bring PIPS back to life after the end of the investigation, and that would be Marek's fault only.... He also announced that he would never visit this forum again.

5) Marek replied to this with the excellent post that you know.

This is just a brief summary. I hope it helps you!

Love, Antje

P.S.: If you (or anyone else seeing this thread) prefer to read it all by yourself, here are the shortcuts to the most important posts in the correct order:
1) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...-up#post100497
2) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101214
3) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101362
4) http://www.rolclub.com/pips-program-...tml#post101439

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You are the man!!!!!! Thank you

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You are the man!!!!!! Thank you

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You're welcome! In fact I am a woman. But never mind - I can't expect anyone to tell that from my name which is not very common internationally. ;-)

All the best to you!

Antje

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You're welcome! In fact I am a woman. But never mind - I can't expect anyone to tell that from my name which is not very common internationally. ;-)

All the best to you!

Antje

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I know of two friends in Hamburg and Dusseldorf that shares your name....:biggrin: Very appealing and charming German frauleins too...:cheers:



YB. - Cheers to the RC CARE Group...:cheers:

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Originally Posted by jimmymack

Well, I am disappointed to say the least in our Mr BM regarding all of this deceit!

There is something pathologically wrong with him. Claiming to be some great humanitarian, but doing NOTHING about (or for) his PIPs members who are in the same if not worse conditions as those he claims to be helping. My thoughts and opinions have severely deteriorated towards our 'beloved' BM!

I know he will never see this. I pray he gets some help!

It is frightening how he can so easily blame others for his BS! To attempt to put any of this on Marek is foolish, rediculous and completly unfounded. It appears that BM has completly lost his mind!!

IMHO

GOD bless you BM!!

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He is taking us for a ride. He claims he is helping the poor. I don't think so.He is creating poverty instead. Leaving people in the cold .This why I don't think
BM is an honest person. I will be careful with anything he is doing now.Look.HA LoTTo,pips and under false name and he still has the gutts to blame others. He is sick,dangerous and will never learn from his mistakes until he is in prison. I don't care what he thinks,I am not bowing to his treats.All the "corn" CEO's use that tactics,eventually they disappear.A*s H*le.

When you draw such conclusions, please consider:
- BNM is still investigating pips, so no definitive outcome yet about what happened with the money you invested in pips;
- Bryan's silence towards the people who put money in halotto does not mean he had no plans anymore to try and rectify this later (but i understand it's a reasonable assumption);
- 10by5 cycler afaik has not proven yet to be a scam.

One thing is sure: Bryan lied about who he was behind 10by5 and if TG's information is correct, he may even have been setting up yet another program.
I don't understand why Bryan behaved like this, either... and understand all this is upsetting. But quite a number of conclusions remain premature... Still and again, I consider waiting for the results of the investigation(s) a wiser and more faire attitude. It just requires patience, of course.

Take care,
Hasse

I agree with you, Hasse.

BNM is still investigating pips, so there is no definitive outcome yet and we have to wait and stay positiv. What else shall we do?

It has never come something good from negatitity.

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Originally Posted by Hasse

When you draw such conclusions, please consider:
- BNM is still investigating pips, so no definitive outcome yet about what happened with the money you invested in pips;
- Bryan's silence towards the people who put money in halotto does not mean he had no plans anymore to try and rectify this later (but i understand it's a reasonable assumption);
- 10by5 cycler afaik has not proven yet to be a scam.

One thing is sure: Bryan lied about who he was behind 10by5 and if TG's information is correct, he may even have been setting up yet another program.
I don't understand why Bryan behaved like this, either... and understand all this is upsetting. But quite a number of conclusions remain premature... Still and again, I consider waiting for the results of the investigation(s) a wiser and more faire attitude. It just requires patience, of course.

Take care,
Hasse

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Interesting,

I like the way you keep the door open after knowing what we all now know, but this would have come out eventually as you well know, if not by Marek, one of the others who knew the truth about this deception would have had the proof in a few days, so why people blamed Marek, I do not know.

I also agree, it is up to BN to finish investigation before we really know what a full blown pathological liar we have been duped by, but it will all come out in the end, and the tidbits we have learned to date will indeed be verified as true eventually.

One thing I have learned over the years is once a liar, always a liar, and when you are a pathological liar, this is the worse liar of all for they believe whatever BS they ****, and that is why they are so convincing and you cannot easily identify when they are lying. No blinking of the eyes, they will look you in the eye, and this is why pathological liars are impossible to identify for most.

I started seeing this potential answer having sat at bar with Bryan and was amazed that he could drink me under the table. (g) All that while, he was convincing as can be, even when drunk, and that was the tip off, he really believed what he was saying, even when impaired, and that was scary awakening to me. Anyone else elbow up to the bar with Bryan? Simply amazing, that is all I can say.

I can appreciate some keeping the faith to the end, as most of us have tried to do, but this latest fraud did it in for many of us. The mear fact the HS lotto fiasco was not addressed while he started several other pyramids says it all. Sorry Hasse, I don't agree, he would never have waited to rectify those who lost money in this fiasco if he was honest. The man can justify everything he says because he is ill, and pathological liars are all ill. As others are finally seeing, this is an illness for which there is no cure, so we will wait for BN investigation, but I won't be waiting for Bryan or Barry, for they are not real other than in this persons head. May someone bless this poor sole, but it won't be me, not any longer.

Good luck to all, Mike

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Originally Posted by Hasse

- Bryan's silence towards the people who put money in halotto does not mean he had no plans anymore to try and rectify this later (but i understand it's a reasonable assumption);
Hasse

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I don't know if this will be of any consolation for the ones who put money in Halotto, but anyway, as per Bryan post in 10by5 forum, those who joined Halotto will get free positions in 10by5.

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Originally Posted by way2go

I don't know if this will be of any consolation for the ones who put money in Halotto, but anyway, as per Bryan post in 10by5 forum, those who joined Halotto will get free positions in 10by5.

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How.. . . .where do I look for my position??

-Alan

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Originally Posted by ox1216

How.. . . .where do I look for my position??

-Alan

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Alan,

I do not know (I didn't join Halotto or 10by5), got to 10by5 forum and ask Bryan, he is very active in there.