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    Default We are getting very close !

    A QUOTE FROM AN ECONOMIC VIEW 28 YEARS AGO...


    > 'In order to clear up the present economic problems everything must be
    set back to zero'

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    > What will soon happen, then, is similar to what a Japanese businessman
    answered when asked about a solution to today's economic turmoil. He
    remarked: 'In order to clear up the present economic problems everything
    must be set back to zero.' He rightly saw the hopelessness of ever
    repairing the system. And God's Word agrees: it is too far gone. Hence,
    it will not be repaired, but will be demolished.
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    > The possibility of today's economic systems crashing has been a more
    frequent topic of discussion among economists lately. For instance,
    American financial commentator Sylvia Porter spoke of the real
    possibility of an 'inflationary blowoff in this nation and the world,
    destroying the confidence in any investment in 'paper' [money], and so

    undermining the functioning of our international monetary system that
    trade among nations would grind to a near standstill.' The columnist
    added:
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    > 'The blowout would then ripple out to cause a rash of bankruptcies
    among businesses, a collapse of the dangerously swollen credit bubble,
    an upsurge in unemployment, foreclosures of vastly overextended mortgage
    credit, and repossessions of goods bought on installment loans the
    debtors could not repay.
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    > 'The scenario becomes more scary even as I write it.'
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    > 'Nations cannot go on borrowing to improve living standards'
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    > Political commentator Jack Anderson similarly commented on the shaky
    money situation, stating:
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    > 'Nations cannot go on borrowing to improve living standards. The money
    can never be paid back unless it is invested in production instead of
    consumption. For many countries, the debt is already greater than they
    can absorb without a financial breakdown. . . .
    >
    > 'Skyrocketing prices keep adding to the bad debts until the whole
    banking system is threatened with collapse.'
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    > The American Institute for Economic Research makes the following
    observations:
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    > 'During the next several years, the following economic developments
    seem highly probable:
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    > 'A severe and prolonged worldwide depression. . . .
    >
    > 'During a prolonged depression, social disorder might well become
    extreme. . . .
    >
    > 'Any person or family who appears to be substantially better off than
    those who are most adversely affected may become the target for mob
    violence.'
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    > When people rob, rape, mug and murder in such increasing numbers now,
    in a time of relative peace and prosperity, they would do much worse if
    a breakdown occurred. An evidence of this is what happened during the
    blackout in New York city in 1977. In certain areas anarchy prevailed.
    Looting, vandalism and robberies were epidemic. The police admitted that
    they were helpless.
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    > Similarly, in an African country, a one third increase in the price of
    rice sparked rioting and looting in the capital city. The streets looked
    as if a war had just been fought. Martial law was declared and a strict
    curfew imposed
    .



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    Well - that makes for some scary reading....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seaview View Post
    Well - that makes for some scary reading....
    Yeah, scary, but this ain't the one, not yet
    There has not been enought, global effort.

    We probably will see our windfall, but how many
    times can this happen?
    once more?...or just once?

    We just want once at this stage, but have you looked at what really has happen in the world, to the world, and not to mentioned the new wars being either fought, while we have been waiting on this one. The world can not take another important currency adjustment. Maybe, well not maybe but there are things like derivaties, that can't be regulated


    Derivatives.

    All this talk and testimony of mortgages and helping homeowners is really a Trojan horse. The reality is Ben and Hank are trying to help their Wall Street buddies unload several hundred billion ($300 billion using rough math) onto the American taxpayer. It’s not surprising that this fact wasn’t mentioned in either Hank or Ben’s testimony before Congress.

    However, what’s truly disturbing is that the derivative problem goes waaaay beyond a mere $300 billion. There are approximately $1.4 quadrillion—with a “Q”!!!!—(notional value) of derivatives floating around the globe.

    Now if even 1% of these are bad, that’s $14 TRILLION in losses. If we’re lucky, and only 1/10th of 1% are bad, it’s still $1.4 TRILLION—more than three times the $300 billion in bailouts we’ve detailed above.

    So not only is the talk of bailing out mortgages and homeowners a farce… but the actual amount of money that will be required is almost undoubtedly larger than $700 billion (assuming that “real” derivative losses are a meager 1/10th of 1%). Like I mentioned before, even Hank Paulson admitted the $700 billion was “arbitrary.”

    Folks, that much money is NEVER arbitrary. You ask a contractor to build a deck, he’ll at least show you some rough math about the costs. Here we are on the verge of the largest bailout in history and no one bothers even whipping out a calculator.

    Unbelievable.


    this was sent to me by a friend, there is more info on how it works, that is derivatives. I will post that later when Seaview informs me where it would benefit the most on this forum.

    Maceman

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    In reference to "We are getting close," are you talking about the dinar going up in value or are you talking about the US and other economies going down? Was not exactly sure what the main point was. Thanks in advance.

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    l livefree In reference to "We are getting close," are you talking about the dinar going up in value or are you talking about the US and other economies going down? Was not exactly sure what the main point was. Thanks in advance.

    Sorry for got to put your quote the right way.



    Well both, iraq's reval is needed on the world scene. debt forgivness, has a price. You have to at least show your gratitude if you can. And they can. Now for what ever the lop talk is, well that is going back into the old economy, which has it's many crisis. So a fresh start is being slowed a bit, by a rough landing of bad economic practices, where debt investment, turned on and even exploited the working man,in most industrialized nations. Getting tactics together before an RV. A rv under a new idea is what is happening.

    Former power brokers ,through,war, economy,and business technology, have shone their limitations and other players will in ten years be at bat with a pictcher that they have been waiting for. If ten years are available.


    Now, yes, all the economies are going down, along with a world system of things. Anyone knows that even the best countries are a pool of stagnate love, and no concern for anyone, other than self. spiritual values are, not even a new concept,it is not excepted anymore. The whole of creation, is in mourning, and no one can change it. money definitely is not the answer. But right now I and countless others need a adequate supply of the stuff. But spirituality is really what is needed, and where do you get the genuine article of that? If you was God, what would you do? If you don,t know what he would do, is doing, will do, pm me.

    I don't want this to be religious debate, or rambling of strong inner feelings, but you ask and I tried to keep it as general as I could but precisely accurate.That is the part in the green lettering.


    The world can't run on money, can it run on love? The creator, says yes and it will. Very soon.


    PM me if you wish. I don't want to be on the religion and politics forums. and don,t want to breach the expectations of the dinar forums for ones here, but you asked and well....


    Maceman

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    Hi All!
    Not many people left anymore (looking on the forum) to be upset about who posts what on which thread! I would expect the Mods to be pretty lenient these days!
    Blessings On YOU! AL

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    well if you are exchanging the dollar for the dinar at cbi....


    Today 1 million Dinar = $ 848.90


    FOCUS

    Maceman

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    Maceman wrote

    Well both, iraq's reval is needed on the world scene. debt forgivness, has a price. You have to at least show your gratitude if you can. And they can. Now for what ever the lop talk is, well that is going back into the old economy, which has it's many crisis. So a fresh start is being slowed a bit, by a rough landing of bad economic practices, where debt investment, turned on and even exploited the working man,in most industrialized nations. Getting tactics together before an RV. A rv under a new idea is what is happening.





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    VonWeeden's comment after a long read on the world economy

    [B]Here's what I find interesting about this......The EU and the Euro has always been a facade that has covered the weakness of those nations involved.....

    And I hope that the middle east countries, specifically those that would comprise of any future GCC, take note of what a universal currency does and how it fiscally binds those that yoke themselves to it. Why do you think that so many countries are feeling this economic fallout??? It's because the American dollar is influential in every economic arena, and attempts to destabilize the dollar are only counter-productive. All other currencies will tumble too, and Iraq should take note and guarantee it's currency not with more worthless money, but by reducing its monetary supply and revaluing the dinar, without lopping zeros from the currency.

    This would entail in essence "burning" hundreds of billions of dinars (which is what will happen anyway in a lop-reprint scenario).... and keeping the 25K, 20K, 5K and 1K notes as is...no lopping of zeros, then revalue.

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    It is reval all the way, lop is old thinking, that is what and why the meltdown,
    WE ARE CLOSE.

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    Default the buzz is deafning!

    The Buzz...is high ! $$$$$$$$

    Hang in there, you may pay your rent, next month, great odds you will in a couple months more or less!

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    Default Holloween is probably the day....

    Well, seeing all that is happening..Iraq out of bankruptcy, oil and gas laws perched, new approach to the world's economy, the effect in a negative way on economicaly developed countries, the us election, another name for economicaly challenged people, and the list goes on.


    Boil the above on high for ten minutes, Remove and reduce the juice, then add in the MONEY, AND LET IT SIMMER A WHILE, SERVE WHILE HOT, AND NO FREEZING FOR A FUTURE DINNER...DON'T FORGET THE MONEY..MAKE SURE IT IS FRESH, RIGHT OF THE PRESS. ENJOY!


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    Maceman, good reading. I feel that after all the years of digging thru some very far fetched rumors, we may be at the close of this ride. JMO.. so much good info from Iraq, Very High Level Meetings with several Governments, SOFA, Security, commerce.. Makes one wonder what it will take. I will for sure take my trusty 0.19 RV please. Thanks for your efforts.. Blessings All, warrior

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