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    "WAR" IN MIDDLE EAST: IT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD. . . .'
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    Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:28:18 -0700

    "WAR" IN MIDDLE EAST: IT'S NOT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD. . . .'
    by Hal Turner
    July 18th 2006

    THE EVENTS TAKING PLACE IN ISRAEL, THE GAZA STRIP, THE WEST BANK, SYRIA AND LEBANON HAVE ALL BEEN CAREFULLY PLANNED - BY ISRAEL - TO ACHIEVE ISRAELI GOALS.

    We all know the old adage "The first casualty of war is the truth." Never has it been more clear than with the present hostilities happening in the Middle East.

    The main stream media would have us believe that Israel has been the victim of rocket attacks and kidnapped solders for which they are acting militarily. Sadly, that is not the truth.

    First, a little recap of recent history:

    In January, 2006 the Palestinian people elected members of HAMAS to political office. This did not sit well with the Israeli government or its U.S. puppet. George W. Bush frequently told America that we toppled Saddam Hussein to install a democracy. Yet when the Palestinian people utilized their democracy to elect HAMAS, Bush began acting against them! The hypocrisy is rank. Still, HAMAS extended the hand of peace to Israel. They did so in writing. Khalid Mish'al is head of the political bureau of Hamas. Read his letter Here.

    Instead of talking with HAMAS, Israel began talking to everyone else about getting rid of HAMAS. So intent was Israel to ignore the lawfully elected Palestinian government, that less than sixty days after the election, while the HAMAS government was still brand new and getting a feel for what to do, Israel launched an overt military action of a most foul nature.

    For years, the Palestinian Authority held in prison, a number of men convicted of assassinating an Israeli official. The men were held in the prison at Jericho and were "monitored" by the British who agreed to keep monitors in that prison to make certain things were right.

    On March 14, the British "monitors" suddenly decided to leave the prison. The Israeli military just happened to see the monitors leave. Within minutes, the Israeli army attacked the prison with troops and tanks!

    The Israelis thought that the prisoners were too comfortable; they weren't being punished with sufficient barbarity. The Israelis decided to change that by attacking the prison and taking the men to an Israeli prison by force. Read about that attack against the sovereign Palestinian Government Prison Here.

    One week after attacking the sovereign Palestinian government prison and taking its prisoners by force; Israel told the world they would UNILATERALLY decide the final borders for Israel!

    This declaration flew in the face of the Oslo Accords, flew in the face of a number of United Nations Security Council Resolutions and, of course, was a direct slap at the new HAMAS lead, Palestinian government.

    Read the announcement of the Unilateral Border decision from the Jerusalem Post as it was published on March 21

    Not content to have raided another government's prison and taken its prisoners by force; not content to have announced they would unilaterally decide their own borders, Israel went even further. On March 23, just a week before the Israeli elections, Israel announced outright that it simply would not deal with the lawfully, democratically-elected HAMAS government.

    In a follow-up story published in the Jerusalem Post, Israel announced how they viewed resistance to anything they dictate. They stated bluntly "What is resistance if not terrorism?" So Israel not only decided what it wants and that it will IMPOSE its will on everyone, they also decided anyone who disagrees is automatically a "terrorist" against whom "Israel has a right to defend itself." There's a word for this: Totalitarian.

    Read this extensive article in which the Israeli Defense Minister makes plain: Anyone who resists Israel is a terrorist.

    With things going as badly as shown above, the newly elected Palestinian Prime Minister ISMAIL HANIYEH, spoke to the world.

    He pointed out that the Palestinians are being denied their basic rights by Israel. He made clear that no one is asking anything of Israel while the Palestinians themselves are being dictated to.

    He made clear the situation is a recipe for conflict. No one listened. Read the Prime Minister's statement warning.

    In April, May and June, the Israeli military commenced shelling of Palestinian CIVILIANS. According to sources in both Israel and Palestine, upward of five thousand (5,000) artillery shells PER MONTH were landing on Palestinian areas. Hundreds of innocent civilians were injured, dozens were killed.

    Sadly, the world only heard of ONE such shelling; when the Israelis wiped out an entire family picnicking on a beach. The world was shocked and sickened to see photos and video of a lone 7 year old girl survivor, as she clung to the dead bodies of her family on the beach.

    In May and June, SEVENTY-EIGHT (78) Palestinians were killed by Israel. Read the Death Toll here

    By mid June, the Palestinians had enough. They began retaliating for the artillery shelling by launching a few Qassam rockets into Israel.

    On June 21, an Israeli reported the situation with unusual candor; mocking "A week of Israeli restraint."

    Sadly, just ONE HOUR after the story above went to press, Israel killed three more children in a street in northern GAZA with additional shelling.

    As Israeli shelling continued, Palestinians fought back. In a daring raid, they captured a single IDF Corporal and took him prisoner. Israel called it a "Kidnapping."

    Here in America when someone is kidnapped, we call the police. The FBI. In fact, that's generally what happens in every civilized nation on earth. Not Israel.

    Israel went berserk! They launched a major military offensive, sending troops, tanks and armored personnel carriers into GAZA. They attacked people and buildings. The Israeli Air Force bombed Palestinian government buildings. The Israelis even arrested dozens of elected officials!

    On what charges? No one knows.

    Few even care.

    Those officials they cannot arrest, they try to assassinate! In one botched assassination attempt, Israel killed twenty three innocent Palestinians. Read about this atrocity here.

    In another assassination attempt, Israel bombed a private house, killing a family of nine as they slept! Read about this atrocity here.

    The jews have gone completely nuts, attacking, killing and arresting Palestinians. But even that wasn't enough to satisfy Israeli blood lust.

    The Israelis then attacked Lebanon! They have been bombing civilian areas! Homes. Apartment buildings. The murderous carnage is disgusting.

    So brutal, so murderous are the Israelis they even deliberately set-up people to be killed. In Lebanon, Israeli troops ordered people to evacuate and area, then called in an air strike to incinerate the evacuation convoy, incinerating at least fifteen children! UN Peace Keepers were reportedly "in tears" at the carnage. Read about this war crime here.

    Those killings came just after Israel killed 32 other civilians during the bombings of bridges inside Lebanon!

    ALL of this violence was precipitated by Israel. ALL of the deaths and injuries are at the hands or caused by the decisions of Israel.

    So the next time you hear an Israeli or one of their defenders say '"Israel has a right to defend itself" remember, so does everyone else.

    Israel are the terrorists. Israel are the aggressors. The proof is irrefutable!

    If someone killed 78 Americans in one month, would YOU fight them? If that same someone went on to kill 23 Americans in another attack, or slaughtered a family of nine while they slept, would YOU fight back?

    The Arabs are the good guys. We in the U.S. have been backing the wrong side.

    ~Hal Turner

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    Here in America when someone is kidnapped, we call the police. The FBI. In fact, that's generally what happens in every civilized nation on earth. Not Israel.

    Israel went berserk! They launched a major military offensive, sending troops, tanks and armored personnel carriers into GAZA. They attacked people and buildings. The Israeli Air Force bombed Palestinian government buildings. The Israelis even arrested dozens of elected officials!

    On what charges? No one knows.
    Hmm, sorry I decided to caption just this portion to show your quote is one that I beg to differ and as for the many more that is in that report of yours or whoever it was copied from... my views is NOT relevant or important but... my views are based on what I know and have followed closely with Middle East developments and I can categorically reject your war-torn version that lacks credible and historical values and facts to bring you to such a level of miscomprehension about what is going on between Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine, the Hamas, the Fatah group,the Hezbollahs, the Baath Party, the current Iranian President and the whole jimbang that is in fact...the instability of the Middle East!!!

    I will not go further in engaging with your input and version and your right of the screwed facts you presented.... just want you to know, there are others that know more and are completely amused at your sinile comprehension of the situation taking place in the Middle East....

    But, you are and have the right to your opinion as well... thank goodness for that that I can tell you this for if you were in North Korea, I and the rest of the world will never know how suppressed you are for there is no voice to be heard...or if one who is somehow sitting next to OBL and his henchmen or with any of the other ruthless terrorist organisations you are with that deprived your worldly American liberty and goodies and you wish to get out in one peace...escape should I say.... we will never ever hear you because they willmake sure, you never get to live another day to squeel on them....just so when you found out, life is no more interesting under these hoodlums.... it is so easy to shoot at your own countrymen's toes that tries to preserve your well being by being out there and far away facing harm and potential death to save the freedom of life from the clutches of terrorists and anarchy with some countries.... so easy for you.... that's life I guess to have to put up with your kind too. - YB.

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    To YB: I copied this message from an email that was sent to me from others that are wanting to investigate the other side of the story concerning the middle east that is now in great conflict. We must look behind the scene to know what is really going on for everyones sake who truly cares first of all for all the peoples welfare and right to peace on earth. Aggressive behavior isn't the answer to world peace. For the Full Story with more understanding please go to The HalTurnershow below: http:http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraelP...iaLebanon.html

    My personal view:
    As for me I have not taken any side as of yet until I see & understand the full disclosure of all the facts and then and only then will I make up my mind as to the who, what and why the them's and the those's have been causing such continual unrest and insanity in the middle east and elsewhere.
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    In January, 2006 the Palestinian people elected members of HAMAS to political office. This did not sit well with the Israeli government or its U.S. puppet. George W. Bush frequently told America that we toppled Saddam Hussein to install a democracy. Yet when the Palestinian people utilized their democracy to elect HAMAS, Bush began acting against them! The hypocrisy is rank. Still, HAMAS extended the hand of peace to Israel. They did so in writing. Khalid Mish'al is head of the political bureau of Hamas. Read his letter Here.

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    Newly Elected HAMAS Offers Peace To Israel
    Tells other nations it will not sell out its people for foreign aid

    We will not sell our people or principles for foreign aid
    By: KHALID MISH'AL Originally dated: 31 January 2006

    It is widely recognised that the Palestinians are among the most politicised and educated peoples in the world. When they went to the polls last Wednesday they were well aware of what was on offer and those who voted for Hamas knew what it stood for. They chose Hamas because of its pledge never to give up the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people and its promise to embark on a programme of reform. There were voices warning them, locally and internationally, not to vote for an organisation branded by the US and EU as terrorist because such a democratically exercised right would cost them the financial aid provided by foreign donors.

    The day Hamas won the Palestinian democratic elections the world's leading democracies failed the test of democracy. Rather than recognise the legitimacy of Hamas as a freely elected representative of the Palestinian people, seize the opportunity created by the result to support the development of good governance in Palestine and search for a means of ending the bloodshed, the US and EU threatened the Palestinian people with collective punishment for exercising their right to choose their parliamentary representatives.

    We are being punished simply for resisting oppression and striving for justice. Those who threaten to impose sanctions on our people are the same powers that initiated our suffering and continue to support our oppressors almost unconditionally. We, the victims, are being penalised while our oppressors are pampered. The US and EU could have used the success of Hamas to open a new chapter in their relations with the Palestinians, the Arabs and the Muslims and to understand better a movement that has so far been seen largely through the eyes of the Zionist occupiers of our land.

    Our message to the US and EU governments is this: your attempt to force us to give up our principles or our struggle is in vain. Our people who gave thousands of martyrs, the millions of refugees who have waited for nearly 60 years to return home and our 9,000 political and war prisoners in Israeli jails have not made those sacrifices in order to settle for close to nothing.

    Hamas has been elected mainly because of its immovable faith in the inevitability of victory; and Hamas is immune to bribery, intimidation and blackmail. While we are keen on having friendly relations with all nations we shall not seek friendships at the expense of our legitimate rights. We have seen how other nations, including the peoples of Vietnam and South Africa, persisted in their struggle until their quest for freedom and justice was accomplished. We are no different, our cause is no less worthy, our determination is no less profound and our patience is no less abundant.

    Our message to the Muslim and Arab nations is this: you have a responsibility to stand by your Palestinian brothers and sisters whose sacrifices are made on behalf of all of you. Our people in Palestine should not need to wait for any aid from countries that attach humiliating conditions to every dollar or euro they pay despite their historical and moral responsibility for our plight. We expect you to step in and compensate the Palestinian people for any loss of aid and we demand you lift all restrictions on civil society institutions that wish to fundraise for the Palestinian cause.

    Our message to the Palestinians is this: our people are not only those who live under siege in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip but also the millions languishing in refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan and Syria and the millions spread around the world unable to return home. We promise you that nothing in the world will deter us from pursuing our goal of liberation and return. We shall spare no effort to work with all factions and institutions in order to put our Palestinian house in order. Having won the parliamentary elections, our medium-term objective is to reform the PLO in order to revive its role as a true representative of all the Palestinian people, without exception or discrimination.

    Our message to the Israelis is this: we do not fight you because you belong to a certain faith or culture. Jews have lived in the Muslim world for 13 centuries in peace and harmony; they are in our religion "the people of the book" who have a covenant from God and His Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) to be respected and protected. Our conflict with you is not religious but political. We have no problem with Jews who have not attacked us - our problem is with those who came to our land, imposed themselves on us by force, destroyed our society and banished our people.

    We shall never recognise the right of any power to rob us of our land and deny us our national rights. We shall never recognise the legitimacy of a Zionist state created on our soil in order to atone for somebody else's sins or solve somebody else's problem. But if you are willing to accept the principle of a long-term truce, we are prepared to negotiate the terms. Hamas is extending a hand of peace to those who are truly interested in a peace based on justice.

    Khalid Mish'al is head of the political bureau of Hamas
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    When all is done, the only fact remains that killing of civilians on either side is not acceptable. With the killing of innocent children and their mothers, that is where antagonists should find a heart, and thus resolution.

    Both sides, Israelites and Palestinians have a right to a state. Palestinians should be given the same chance in human fairness for a place to lay their heads and have a home, fealing secure and sheltered. When B gave palestinians a chance at democracy, he made it conditional only if they choose someone acceptable. It did not matter whether or not that individual tried to make a change, but needed to be testing things to unite the Palestinians, which are fractured into different camps to this day.

    I just wish, I had a solution to the problem. Only one thing I know, the battle field will not find a solution. It rarely ever has, if ever.

    Do people have a right to live in peace? That is the basic question to be answered fairly. Is it only some that have that right, or is it all? This question is fielded in many parts of the world: Africa, Indonesia, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.

    When will it ever end with war? When will we see peace? After the second Advent, and then, we will see just one more war, the final war on earth.

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    I totally agree with your comments Peterben.

    I just got this email below & this is really sad beyond beyond to know these things are happening. May The Almighty Above help us all in these trouble times. I think we need Divine Intervention Soon before all out hell on earth starts.
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    The Shame of Being an American


    July 22, 2006


    The Shame of Being an American
    by Paul Craig Roberts




    Gentle reader, do you know that Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing in
    southern Lebanon? Israel has ordered all the villagers to clear out. Israel
    then destroys their homes and murders the fleeing villagers. That way there is no one to come back and nothing to which to return, making it easier for Israel to grab the territory, just as Israel has been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians.

    Do you know that one-third of the Lebanese civilians murdered by Israel's attacks on civilian residential districts are children? That is the report from Jan Egeland, the emergency relief coordinator for the UN. He says it is impossible for help to reach the wounded and those buried in rubble, because Israeli air strikes have blown up all the bridges and roads. Considering how often (almost always) Israel misses Hezbollah targets and hits civilian ones, one might think that Israeli fire is being guided by US satellites and US military GPS. Don't be surprised at US complicity. Why would the puppet be any less evil than the puppet master?

    Of course, you don't know these things, because the US print and TV media do not report them.

    Because Bush is so proud of himself, you do know that he has blocked every effort to stop the Israeli slaughter of Lebanese civilians. Bush has told the UN "NO." Bush has told the European Union "NO." Bush has told the pro-American Lebanese prime minister "NO." Twice. Bush is very proud of his firmness. He is enjoying Israel's rampage and wishes he could do the same thing in Iraq.

    Does it make you a Proud American that "your" president gave Israel the
    green light to drop bombs on convoys of villagers fleeing from Israeli
    shelling, on residential neighborhoods in the capital of Beirut and
    throughout Lebanon, on hospitals, on power plants, on food production and storage, on ports, on civilian airports, on bridges, on roads, on every
    piece of infrastructure on which civilized life depends? Are you a Proud
    American? Or are you an Israeli puppet?

    On July 20, "your" House of Representatives voted 410-8 in favor of Israel's massive war crimes in Lebanon. Not content with making every American complicit in war crimes, "your" House of Representatives, according to the Associated Press, also "condemns enemies of the Jewish state."

    Who are the "enemies of the Jewish state"?

    They are the Palestinians whose land has been stolen by the Jewish state, whose homes and olive groves have been destroyed by the Jewish state, whose children have been shot down in the streets by the Jewish state, whose women have been abused by the Jewish state. They are Palestinians who have been walled off into ghettos, who cannot reach their farm lands or medical care or schools, who cannot drive on roads through Palestine that have been constructed for Israelis only. They are Palestinians whose ancient towns have been invaded by militant Zionist "settlers" under the protection of the Israeli army who beat and persecute the Palestinians and drive them out of their towns. They are Palestinians who cannot allow their children outside their homes because they will be murdered by Israeli "settlers."

    The Palestinians who confront Israeli evil are called "terrorists." When
    Bush forced free elections on Palestine, the people voted for Hamas. Hamas is the organization that has stood up to Israel. This means, of course, that Hamas is evil, anti-Semitic, un-American and terrorist. The US and Israel responded by cutting off all funds to the new government. Democracy is permitted only if it produces the results Bush and Israel want.

    Israelis never practice terror. Only those who are in Israel's way are
    terrorists.

    Another enemy of the Jewish state is Hezbollah. Hezbollah is a militia of
    Shi'ite Muslims created in 1982 when Israel first invaded Lebanon. During this invasion the great moral Jewish state arranged for the murder of refugees in refugee camps. The result of Israel's atrocities was Hezbollah, which fought the Israeli Army, defeated it, and drove it out of Lebanon. Today Hezbollah not only defends southern Lebanon but also provides social services such as orphanages and medical care.

    To cut to the chase, the enemies of the Jewish state are any Muslim country not ruled by an American puppet friendly to Israel. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and the oil emirates have sided with Israel against their own kind, because they are dependent either on American money or on American protection from their own people. Sooner or later these totally corrupt governments that do not represent the people they rule will be overthrown. It is only a matter of time.

    Indeed Bush and Israel may be hastening the process in their frantic effort to overthrow the governments of Syria and Iran. Both governments have more popular support than Bush has, but the White House Moron doesn't know this. The Moron thinks Syria and Iran will be "cakewalks" like Iraq, where ten proud divisions of the US military are tied down by a few lightly armed insurgents.

    If you are still a Proud American, consider that your pride is doing nothing good for Israel or for America.

    On July 20 when "your" House of Representatives, following "your" US Senate, passed the resolution in support of Israel's war crimes, the most powerful lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), quickly got out a press release proclaiming "The American people overwhelming support Israel's war on terrorism and understand that we must stand by our closest ally in this time of crisis."

    The truth is that Israel created the crisis by invading a country with a
    pro-American government. The truth is that the American people do not
    support Israel's war crimes, as the CNN quick poll results make clear and as was made clear by callers into C-Span.

    Despite the Israeli spin on news provided by US "reporting," a majority of
    Americans do not approve of Israeli atrocities against Lebanese civilians.
    Hezbollah is located in southern Lebanon. If Israel is targeting Hezbollah,
    why are Israeli bombs falling on northern Lebanon? Why are they falling on Beirut? Why are they falling on civilian airports? On schools and hospitals?

    Now we arrive at the main point. When the US Senate and House of
    Representatives pass resolutions in support of Israeli war crimes and
    condemn those who resist Israeli aggression, the Senate and House confirm Osama bin Laden's propaganda that America stands with Israel against the Arab and Muslim world.

    Indeed, Israel, which has one of the world's largest per capita incomes, is the largest recipient of US foreign aid. Many believe that much of this
    "aid" comes back to AIPAC, which uses it to elect "our" representatives in Congress.

    This perception is no favor to Israel, whose population is declining, as the smart ones have seen the writing on the wall and have been leaving. Israel is surrounded by hundreds of millions of Muslims who are being turned into enemies of Israel by Israel's actions and inhumane policies.

    The hope in the Muslim world has always been that the United States would intervene in behalf of compromise and make Israel realize that Israel cannot steal Palestine and turn every Palestinian into a refugee.

    This has been the hope of the Arab world. This is the reason our puppets have not been overthrown. This hope is the reason America still had some prestige in the Arab world.

    The House of Representatives resolution, bought and paid for by AIPAC money, is the final nail in the coffin of American prestige in the Middle East. It shows that America is, indeed, Israel's puppet, just as Osama bin Laden says, and as a majority of Muslims believe.

    With hope and diplomacy dead, henceforth America and Israel have only tooth and claw. The vaunted Israeli army could not defeat a rag tag militia in southern Lebanon. The vaunted US military cannot defeat a rag tag, lightly armed insurgency drawn from a minority of the population in Iraq, insurgents, moreover, who are mainly engaged in civil war against the Shi'ite majority.

    What will the US and its puppet master do? Both are too full of hubris and paranoia to admit their terrible mistakes. Israel and the US will either
    destroy from the air the civilian infrastructure of Lebanon, Palestine,
    Syria, and Iran so that civilized life becomes impossible for Muslims, or
    the US and Israel will use nuclear weapons to intimidate Muslims into
    acquiescence to Israel's desires.

    Muslim genocide in one form or another is the professed goal of the
    neoconservatives who have total control over the Bush administration. Neocon godfather Norman Podhoretz has called for World War IV (in neocon thinking WW III was the Cold War) to overthrow Islam in the Middle East, deracinate the Islamic religion and turn it into a formalized, secular ritual.

    Rumsfeld's neocon Pentagon has drafted new US war doctrine that permits pre-emptive nuclear attack on non-nuclear states.

    Neocon David Horowitz says that by slaughtering Palestinian and Lebanesecivilians, "Israel is doing the work of the rest of the civilized world," thus equating war criminals with civilized men.

    Neocon Larry Kudlow says that "Israel is doing the Lord's work" by murdering Lebanese, a claim that should give pause to Israel's Christian evangelical supporters. Where does the Lord Jesus say, "go forth and murder your neighbors so that you may steal their lands"?

    The complicity of the American public in these heinous crimes will damn
    America for all time in history.
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    Good for you YOGI. Somebody needs to show up these fear mongers!

    Keep it up!
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    If they all have the right to kill each other, then please tell me what right they have to kill unarmed UN personnel? Everybody in that area knew where the UN post was and it was clearly marked on maps. Still the Israelis started with heavy artillery fire against the UN base. As told in Finnish newspapers today, the observers immediately contacted the Israelis and were promised that shooting should end immediately (which not happened). Ten more calls were recorded from the UN base to the Israelis until these ended the conversation by dropping a bomb on the UN bombshelter.

    When everybody knew that a UN base had been hit and the Israelis promised not to fire on the rescue team, they did not keep that promise either. How can the world tolerate such barbarism?

    As the Finnish Foreign Minister expressed it: The Israelis seem to fire on everything BUT Hizbollah.
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    That is absolutely right Peter, wasting life under the guise of an evil end...that question is documented and hailed by those seeking their own just agenda with anyone that is considered a NON...believer of their religion...

    The rest of the world are putting up with hard times confronting these devils in white sheets proclaiming the best words, the most educated reasoning in any vocabulary when they are put to the test about their goals.... and among all those that have and get shielded from these maniacs of misery and meaningless disasters of progressive life, we get the comfy & cosy so called voices of support against what is to be done, HAVE TO BE DONE and who has to do it to confront these terrorists of life from people and nations seeking door to door peace with its neighbours.

    The protracted war now ensuing between Israel and Lebanon was not planned despite the mini scale launched soon after the capture of two IDF soldiers for ransom by the Hezbollahs and this counter measure on a military scale was even regarded as a total surprise by the Hezbollahs themselves!!!

    As a strategists and in military circle once, this is something that is a contingency plan always to be on standby.... I learnt myself these cliché: Big fish eat small fish....

    Anyone recognising this would know where it originates and perhaps can see the hint where and under which military academy I was trained with.

    If not for that show of solidarity with Hamas, and despite their world disrepute to be one supported by Syria and Iran, two rogue nations to the Axis of Evil, Israel would still be in the Gaza searching for that kidnapped IDF NCO.

    But, to prove for being unprepared and not in the position to retaliate with good measure after an ultimatum was issued to the Govt of Lebanon (partly made up of Hezbollah too), they thought the risk to call the Israeli ultimatum a bluff and worth putting their own nation to the risk of getting flattened, as we still post today on this Forum!

    They took that solidarity stance as a game with lives on their own people with something they should better spend in economic recovery...NOT getting embroiled with other man's wars and issues...they were given that opportunity by the same "enemy" they see in Israel when South Lebanon was left and returned to Lebanon....only to be used as a growing base for Hezbollah and heaven knows what other intentions they are fuelling up with Iran backing sinisterly behind and with so many of you being blind by looking at just what is happening on the frontline and NOT WHAT IS actually taking place and growing to become a BIGGER threat if this goes unchecked...

    The Israelis are the best army that would take on courageously on all fronts challenging them....as opposed to the USA would and could have....due to global and political pressures and worst of all...the likes of Michael Moore and the kinds we get here too....!

    Look deeper and try go living in the shoes of those in the Middle East and stop relating any issues to the Koran or being a Middle East person and thinking of only SELF GAIN.... think of PEACE first and how to go about it with that and you will learn, more of that education can be obtained from the Israeli environment despite being threatened daily by surrounding countries greedy of power and luxurious bank accounts to oppressive rulings, even on their own people & nation!!!

    Peace to the Palestinians was a second step after pulling out of South Lebanon and opening up livelihood back to normalcy for the West Bank and other Palestinian districts but no...they started demanding this & that so their pockets would grow fat with corruption within their own ranks as Parliamentary members in office under Arafat and ignoring the ultimate road to recovery with nation building... all these take time to progress and develop... but greed is apparent when they are loose once again and OUT OF CONTROL...even among themselves!!! Israel was getting more prosperous in the meantime...because with peace sought seriously after....thats WHAT you get back in return, recognition and Trust with economic support ever more from the International community.

    Why is this not occuring with Palestine and partly with Lebanon which is in the grips of Syria and this Hezbollah group worming itself to devour their own country under false pretences??? Guess most of you are not aware of these or bother to delve deeper at the core either... you look at criticise from the surface only and seek a solution that alligns with the calls of unfairness while the very core and root of the problems are the evil perpetrators disguised with the ever ready cries of being suppressed and oppressed from a nation that is only seeking their own right to exists and was and still is in supporting the legal existence of the Palestinian State....backed by the world community too.

    How do you put up with that when the very people or parties you try to help at all costs comes out openly without shame and corrupt management on their own people with outside Aid Money and still seek the removal of Israel from the map???

    Try telling that to a Bank Manager: I will not put my money in your bank, I will go somewhere else and give them the business, after the bank decline to provide a financial arrangement you are asking just so you can buy a fancy BMW like your neigbour has and at home, you don't even have a decent running tap installed....you get the picture here? To help someone who has no mind to reality with life and how to go about it correctly....GREED and POWER abounds in these war mongering people while Israel is protecting itself to lead a peaceful life with its neighbours and for its people to be proud of peace attained.

    YB....



    Quote Originally Posted by peterben
    When all is done, the only fact remains that killing of civilians on either side is not acceptable. With the killing of innocent children and their mothers, that is where antagonists should find a heart, and thus resolution.

    Both sides, Israelites and Palestinians have a right to a state. Palestinians should be given the same chance in human fairness for a place to lay their heads and have a home, fealing secure and sheltered. When B gave palestinians a chance at democracy, he made it conditional only if they choose someone acceptable. It did not matter whether or not that individual tried to make a change, but needed to be testing things to unite the Palestinians, which are fractured into different camps to this day.

    I just wish, I had a solution to the problem. Only one thing I know, the battle field will not find a solution. It rarely ever has, if ever.

    Do people have a right to live in peace? That is the basic question to be answered fairly. Is it only some that have that right, or is it all? This question is fielded in many parts of the world: Africa, Indonesia, Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.

    When will it ever end with war? When will we see peace? After the second Advent, and then, we will see just one more war, the final war on earth.

    peterben
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    I have a nephew (nat. guard ) 2 friend's sons (marines) in kuwait right now.
    Not everything is as black & white as it seems when it comes to women & children . These young men have told me about some of the "resistance" groups will use women & children as walking bombs . They have had lone children come walking towards them & when told to stop they would walk faster or run towards the troops on patrol , sometimes ending up being shot. After which they found dynamite or other explosives wrapped around the child under thier clothes. well this is just something else to think about & consider.

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