Please visit our sponsors

Rolclub does not endorse ads. Please see our disclaimer.
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 39
  1. #1
    Member sowingseed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    USA, Massachusetts
    Posts
    88
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default Yes I do believe there is a spirit of hate in the world.

    The spirit of hate is as dangerous as any disease, and has the same effect. Righteous anger has a different accent. The language you are speaking is evil. Your wards aren’t meant to instruct or heal or give light. Your wards are meant to rob steal and destroy. They are meant to infect like the venom of a snake bite. And like the terrorist who don’t care who gets hurt by their bombs, you don’t care who gets hurt by your words. It’s the same old spirit that’s been in the world for about 6,000 years. And like the terrorist who think they are defending all that is good and even holy with their murderous acts, I’m sure you believe what you are saying is some how helpful. I do not agree with of what you are implying, but mostly I’m amazed that you don’t know what spirit you allow to speak through you. You really can’t tell, can you. May I show you what he looks like? He looks like this...> :evil:

  2. Sponsored Links
  3. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Southern California
    Posts
    36
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    I used to be very religious, but now I am an atheist. I used to belive in "spirits of", but not any more. (However, I know that my personal belief does not make something so, it is just MY belief). Anyway, I do strongly believe in brainswashing. (I used to be in a cult.) Brainwashing is not like the stuff you see in science fiction movies, but brainwashing is keeping people away from all other influences, and then using big carrots and sticks (like heaven and hell), to keep people as your little unquestioning robots. This is how Jim Jones was able to make 900 people kill themsleves and their families. This is how David Koresh was able to get young moms to sit in a burning buildig and burn to death with their children. Brainwashing is more powerful than the instinct of self-preservation. (Only when I was not afraid of going to hell was I able to leave the cult.) Whether or not terrorists have an actual Demon of Hate, they are also using brainwashing. I think brainwashing needs to be exposed, and somehow "brainwash" the next generation into love and tolerence.

    If the terrorists had their way, do you think they would stop at trying to destroy the Western world? It is already obvious that they think that killing Muslim civilians in the name of Allah is okay. I think they will not stop until the whole world is annihilated except for their own little twisted group. Therefore I think that Muslims and their leaders also need to be more visiable and stand up in the fight against terrorism.

    (P.S. Even though I am an atheist, I am not down on religion. I just wish religons could learn to live and let live, and all worship peacefully. Religion puts a lot of character and integrity into people, usually. But I partner with ANYONE, Sanctified or even Satainic, if they would stand up to Terrorism.)

  4. #3
    Member sowingseed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    USA, Massachusetts
    Posts
    88
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default To peerperson

    We wash our body, why not our mind? I think the right kind of brain washing would be good for every one. The key words are, "the right kind' of brain washing. As in you well know the truth and the truth will set you free. I do not fear hell because I have received God's gift by grace through faith, and my life now is hid in Christ, in God. I believe and understand these verses.

    Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
    Col 2:10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.

    Got to go the wife calls, I'll share more later if you want.

  5. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    The Shire
    Posts
    76
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Wow, this is a pretty interesting topic. This is the first time that I have been here to read it.

    I see Christianity as a slow and quiet acceptance of a compelling truth.

    The technique of brainwashing is to use coercive techniques: peer pressure, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, withdrawal from outside influences, violation of personal space and personal boundaries, arbitrary absolutes, loss of personal wealth and the freedom it brings, and constant bombardment of a preselected message. These techniques result in disorientation, realignment, and finally acceptance of a belief system that keeps the adherants bound by fear.

    But Christianity is not like that at all. Jesus said, ""If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - John 8:31-32 The purpose of a cult is to imprison someone against their will. But the purpose of Christianity is to set them free.

    I am always astounded by the contrast between radical Islam, and committed Christianity. Radical Islam blows up hospitals. Christianity builds hospitals where there weren't any before. Radical Islam cuts off the arms of their enemies. (Somalia, Rwanda). Christianity sends in missionaries to treat and heal the wounded. Radical Islam stones women for committing adultery. (The man is almost never stoned) Christianity tells the woman that she can be forgiven and that she can start over again with a brand new life.

    Terrorist win converts at the end of bayonet. Christians win converts with school books, hospital beds, and new wells for the village. One of these two philosophies is going to win this battle of civilizations. I think we should begin praying that the right one wins.

    - TwiceWise

  6. #5
    Moderator
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    London,UK
    Posts
    520
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Twicewise
    Wow, this is a pretty interesting topic. This is the first time that I have been here to read it.

    I see Christianity as a slow and quiet acceptance of a compelling truth.

    The technique of brainwashing is to use coercive techniques: peer pressure, sleep deprivation, food deprivation, withdrawal from outside influences, violation of personal space and personal boundaries, arbitrary absolutes, loss of personal wealth and the freedom it brings, and constant bombardment of a preselected message. These techniques result in disorientation, realignment, and finally acceptance of a belief system that keeps the adherants bound by fear.

    But Christianity is not like that at all. Jesus said, ""If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." - John 8:31-32 The purpose of a cult is to imprison someone against their will. But the purpose of Christianity is to set them free.

    I am always astounded by the contrast between radical Islam, and committed Christianity. Radical Islam blows up hospitals. Christianity builds hospitals where there weren't any before. Radical Islam cuts off the arms of their enemies. (Somalia, Rwanda). Christianity sends in missionaries to treat and heal the wounded. Radical Islam stones women for committing adultery. (The man is almost never stoned) Christianity tells the woman that she can be forgiven and that she can start over again with a brand new life.

    Terrorist win converts at the end of bayonet. Christians win converts with school books, hospital beds, and new wells for the village. One of these two philosophies is going to win this battle of civilizations. I think we should begin praying that the right one wins.

    - TwiceWise
    Haven't you heard of the Crusades?
    Sailingdom
    Moderator

  7. #6
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    The Shire
    Posts
    76
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Hi Sailingdom

    I’m not really sure how the crusades are relevant to the discussion at hand.

    1. The Crusades began in the 11th century, more than 900 years ago. It consisted of poorly armed peasants being sent out to protect the Holy Land. (If you are saying that this is typical of the kind of evangelization that Christian’s usually do, then I don’t really understand your point. There have been nearly a thousand years since then during which hospitals were built, children were fed, medicine was sent, schools were built, etc. Why would you go back nearly a thousand years in order to make some sort of moral equivalence between Christianity and the terrorists. I don’t understand that.)

    2. Are you saying that the terrorists are justified in their actions because of what Christians did to them almost a thousand years ago? My ancestors were slaughtered by invading barbarian Saxon’s a thousand years ago. Does that now give me the right to find their great, great, great grandchildren and blow them up because I’m upset about what happened a millennia ago?

    3. Are you saying that there is no difference between Christianity and Islam because of the crusades? I don’t understand that either. The words Islam means submit. It has the idea of a person giving up all right to themselves in order to pay complete and utter obeisance to the deity. Islam is basically, “obey or else.” Christianity means, follower of Christ. And although we may sometimes fail in that obligation that is our goal. To stand up for what is right just as strongly as he did. To spread healing and help just as vigorously. To seek out the lost and to tell them the good news of freedom through Jesus Christ. There is not a point of common ground between these two philosophies.

    4. But maybe you can explain yourself more clearly. What do the crusades, that happened a thousand years ago, have to do with Muslim terrorists blowing up buildings today, or the practice of Christianity today? I simply don’t see how your comment is relevant.

  8. #7
    Investor
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    311
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Default

    Religions, that means ALL religions were only created to manipulate and control people and nothing else! All religions are kind of cults which have a "leader" and which have specific doctrines their "sheeples" have to follow. If not then you're not a "believer" or against God. The churches cleverly mastered to seperate God from man in the way that one can only find God in the church and thru the help of so called priests etc. Wasn't it Jesus who said that God is in you, in each one of us? The churches also invented the "punishing" God and the "hell" in order to make people compliant, that they have fear from God and remain dependent from the church/religion. Wasn't it Jesus who told that Heaven and Hell are in each one of us?

    The last 2000 years religions and churches totally biased the belief in God, changed facts many times, left important things out (truth) and told lies over lies. (e.g. Bible or the ridiculous and false picture which came up of God as an old man with a long beard) Thousands if not millions have been killed "in the name of God" on both sides, Christianity and Islam, both are equal bad. What a perfect tool a "religion" can be, with which you can fuel hatred amongst the folks, don't you think? This all has NOTHING to do at all with the early Christianity and with the teachings of Jesus!

    If the churches would tell the truth about e.g. the history of origins of mankind then ALL religions would instantly collapse like a house of cards which already now stands on weak legs. Eventually the truth will come out and folks will realize that they have been lied 2000 years long.

    Us humans are divine beings, each one of us has divine characteristics, each one of us our own creator, a "small" God. Look for God in yourself and not in brick buildings, there you won't find him. The earlier y'all grasp this the earlier you will set yourself, your mind and soul, free.

  9. #8
    Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    The Shire
    Posts
    76
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Micky, my guess is that you are so cemented into what you believe that nothing I can say will change your mind. There are many people who hate the things that Jesus said, and the things that Jesus stood for, if it wasn’t so then he wouldn’t have been crucified for saying them.

    You made the statement that “ALL religions were only created to manipulate and control people and nothing else.” So I must ask the following questions.

    -1. Are you well verse in “All Religions”

    -2. How did you learn that they were originally created in order to manipulate and control people? (Have you studied the leaders of the religions: Jesus Christ, the apostle Paul, Muhammad, Joseph Smith, Buddah, Confucius, and L. Ron Hubbard enough to know what their intentions were?

    -3. As I stated above Christians, and probably some of the other religions, have built hospitals, schools, libraries, etc. Do you believe that the purpose of building these things was only to control people?

    You stated that Jesus said, “God is within you.”

    Can you tell me where in the Bible Jesus made this statement?

    The closest that I would know is 1 Corinthians 6:19, “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?” This is saying that those who did not have the Spirit of God living in them, now do because they started to believe in Jesus. Jesus also said in John 14:6, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Therefore the way to have God living in you is to believe in Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior.

    You said, “Wasn't it Jesus who told that Heaven and Hell are in each one of us?”

    I know of no such statement by Jesus. Hell was not the main focus of Jesus’ ministry and it should not be the main focus of organized religion. Christianity is now and always was about personal freedom. Christians believe that there are many kinds of addictions that war against the soul. It may be an addiction to power, pornography, alcohol, entertainment, money, and a hundred other things. In Luke 4:19 Jesus quoted the prophet Isaiah saying, “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” That’s what true Christianity is, “freedom for the prisoner, release for the oppressed, sight for the blind.”

    You said, “the ridiculous and false picture which came up of God as an old man with a long beard.”

    I don’t know of any Christian who believes that God is an old man with a long beard. In fact Christians believe that God is an invisible Spirit who can be in all places at all times. The best description of God comes from the book of Revelation 4:2-4, “behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.” The writer was clearly trying to describe something that he found incomprehensible. But this is nothing like an old man with a long beard.

    You said, “Christianity and Islam, both are equal bad.”

    But our discussion here is not about Islam vs. Christianity. Our discussion is about radical Islam which spawns acts of terrorism. So, if both are the same you must tell me the last time that a Christian flew a plane into a building to kill 3,000 people. You might also tell me the last time that a Christian blew up a train station, or the last time that a Christian bombed an embassy.

    In addition to that you said that, “What a perfect tool a "religion" can be, with which you can fuel hatred amongst the folks.”

    But Christianity is a religion of love. Jesus said in Matthew 5:43-45, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven.”

    You said, “If the churches would tell the truth about e.g. the history of origins of mankind then ALL religions would instantly collapse like a house of cards.”

    That is precisely the problem isn’t it Micky. If we knew the truth of origin then we could say precisely what religions are true and what religions are not. I believe that God created the heavens, the earth, and all mankind. Therefore we are accountable to him in the way that we live our lives. Other’s believe that the heavens, earth, and everything else came from a massive “Big Bang” explosion 16 billion years ago. If they are right then there is no ultimate purpose to life. Each of us should live the best that we can and when we die, we die. I suspect that you believe something else entirely. It may be that your version of the origin of mankind is right and mine is wrong. Each of these belief systems should be studied thoroughly. The worst should be thrown away, and the best kept, and believed. I have studied them, and I have kept Christianity because I believe it is the best.

    You said, “Us humans are divine beings, each one of us has divine characteristics, each one of us our own creator, a "small" God.”

    This seems to be a variation on the teaching of the “New Age.” The New Age teaches that we all create our own reality. That we have the power of belief in ourselves and that we can created our own truth. The problem with that is, if I was creating my own reality I would be a lot better looking in it. And in my reality Pxps would be paying out on time. (LOL)

    - - - - - -

    Feel free to keep on writing about this topic. As for me I’m starting to get weary in well doing.

    - TwiceWise

  10. #9
    Member sowingseed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    USA, Massachusetts
    Posts
    88
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default

    Micky about your statement, “If the churches would tell the truth about e.g. the history of origins of mankind then ALL religions would instantly collapse like a house of cards.”

    The theory of evolution is just a theory, and not a scientific fact. Do you think it takes faith to believe in God? But we know evolution is a fact? I find it easier to believe in God, than to believe that life came from a rock.

    And TwiceWise, you do know the Bible.

  11. #10
    Investor
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    311
    Feedback Score
    0
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts

    Default

    Read the bible correctly and between the lines (esp. Genesis), there are many many hints on who created homo sapiens and this has nothing to do with the "Big Bang".

    I have no intention to force anyone to have the same view as I do or to have the same knowledge level as I do. I am only giving hints, it's up to everyone if he's interested to dig deeper and to condcut more research. What can help is also to consider the other side of the coin. What we get presented in media and taught by schools, religions, agencies, societies etc. is a pre-formed shape which is put on people. Different pre-formed stories, facts, views, beliefs etc from which we can allegedly "freely" decide and choose from and thus suggest us the freedom of choice which in reality is none.

    Problem is we don't question religions, schools, colleges, governments etc. We take it all as self-evident because we blindly believe, trust and follow "authorities". It is also called authority syndrome. "What they tell just MUST be right, heh?" How can one dare to question its own government? This is unpatriotic, communistic, fascistic and even often anti-semitic! (where most people have no clue what this word actually means...) How can one dare to question churches and religions? This is considered as blasphemous and satanic. Don't you think that coincidentally often when someone tries to scratch on truths surface the one is vehemently ridiculed, discredited, threatened and unfortunately in some cases even killed or suddenly dies of a mysterious illness? It's very convenient to mark someone as communistic or satanic and to discredit him, every deeper digging and discussion is then nipped in the bud to avoid that too many people start to question.

    Good examples gives us the catholic church. If one said 200 years ago that the earth is not flat and that the earth evolves around the sun (and not vice versa) he was prosecuted and burnt at the stake. And this is a fact! Women who were very familiar with alternative medicine and healing methods have been declared as witches and also burnt at the stake. The same with many other views and "revolutions" which some of them became very normal and self-evident nowadays. Nothing has changed today. People are not burnt at the stake anymore but other, modern measures are taken instead.

    People use only 10% of the brain and 80% of our DNA lie untapped. And you can be rest assured that powers to be (including religions) have no interest at all that this changes. In contrary, they are doing everything possible to prevent that informations for this leak out to public. This knowledge is only known by the powers to be who steer the world thru their puppets like politicians, agencies, industry complex, media etc.

    All public information which is presented to the masses is pre-shaped, you only get ONE opinion and ONE picture. There is (still) enough literature (a lot has been forbidden) out there who also present the other side of the story. I think it is important to hear/listen to both sides so that I can decide what is true and what not, what is wrong and what is right. When I permanently only hear one side I have no choice except of believing it.

    I know for sure that most can't accept everything else than what they have been taught their whole life. I don't blame them at all. Accepting anything else would destroy their world view, and this can hurt, it is uncomfortable so I leave it to the others, they will make it. It is up to you if you are willing at all to consider the other side and to hear different. If you are not willing then logically every discussion is needless and a waste of time and energy. Everyone has to decide for himself and decide which way he wants to go, everyone has to find his or her own truth, the real truth will eventually come thru.

    I won't go into any argumentation any further. I am only giving hints and something to ponder. Those who agree, fine, others who don't also fine.

  12. Sponsored Links
Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. 2% Where does the Money Come From?
    By steven in forum FAQ HELP
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 19-06-2008, 10:41 AM
  2. Virtual World Direct
    By skpurvis in forum Investment Programs (Non HYIP)
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 23-09-2005, 02:31 PM
  3. The Politics Forum. A suggestion.
    By Flash in forum Politics & Religion
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 31-08-2005, 02:02 AM
  4. Musings and Reflections
    By denim in forum Politics & Religion
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 27-07-2005, 03:22 PM
  5. World Council/Isabellamina Association
    By steven in forum FAQ HELP
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 16-06-2005, 05:52 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Share |