Thread: Musings and Reflections

Musings and Reflections is what it says it is - so please forgive it being a little disjointed. It is purely my opinion, and I would defend your right to disagree with me. If you do, lets do it in the spirit of debate.

Do you remember when the capture of Osama bin Laden used to be a priority.

That's fizzled out and died. What's happened? Was it too difficult? I believe there was a promise that they would hunt him down till they had got him and bring him to trial. It hasn't happened!

OSAMA HAS GOT AWAY WITH IT. He is laughing at us.

In this day and age when spy satellites can track anything to the point of having the ability of reading a newspaper in a street (or so they claim) it should have been no big deal to track WMD and bin-Laden. But of course before they went in there, they knew there were no WMD and absolutely no intention to capture bin-Laden.

It was theatre. And it isn't oil (or just oil), - it's control. It's terrorism at its finest - It is Bush, Blair and other high profiles terrorising us the ordinary individual (you and me) into insecurity so that we can except state control for our security and willing give our freedom for it. And if you don't like it, it's unpatriotic and you are an enemy of the state.

You only have to look into the Bush family history and their association with the Nazi's in the first half of last century. And compare Nazism with the freedoms that have been destroyed in Patriot 2, and the powers that have been given to the Department of Homeland. (Doesn't that have a Fatherland ring to it). why would a leopard change its spots. (I think not).

The events of 9-11 are bound to be compounded by the London bombings. Security will be increased. Freedoms will be lost. Tony Blair has just said this is an attack on ALL nations.

The war on terrorism is a front. What about the terrorism of the violation human rights and dignity. Trade agreements with China are being sought. The human rights issue of China is shocking. For an example every second born and subsequent child to a family is legally murdered. Wouldn't an agreement that has the care and concern of the people of China be an appropriate war on their terrorism of their people. But No! there is no sign of it. It's all about wealth and control. More the latter.

I believe the reported evidence that the Bush and Bin-Laden camps have a pact. Wherever Bush is, there is a problem.

I have a feeling in my gut that the Bush camp had something to do with the London Bombings. WHY? The G8 and UK government in particular (under pressure) is trying (or at least showing an outward face) to reduce or cancel third world debt. The Blair Administration was instrumental in organising the G8 summit at Gleneagles. The agenda amongst other things was Africa and climate change, with emphasis on 3rd world poverty. It's reported in the news that Bush didn't want that, he wanted it just to be the war on terrorism. He is not a happy man. So in a tantrum and jumping up and down like the spoilt brat he is, and to put a fine point on it and bring it to the front. He instrumented the bombings in London. And without having to say anything, it says "I told you so." (The Alert status in the US has already been put on high alert)

Mr. Bush is an evil man. I consider him probably the most dangerous on the planet. HE is THE terrorist - he terrorises the mind, bringing people down with the power of the suggestion and insecurity. His family history is one of mystery and intrigue. He belongs to certain secret societies hell bent on control. He is NOT a Christian. He is a moron puppet with little intelligence controlled by the power seekers, the ones with money. He is corrupt. If he wasn't in power there would be someone else equally obnoxious. At the time of the elections the US were given the choice of 2 evils. Bush or Kerry. Kerry had similar education, belongs to similar secret organisations and controlled by the same people with money as Bush. It was a heads I win, tails you lose situation. Its not politics any more, or the will of the people. It is the will of those with money who want to control us; who are paranoid that we might bring them down; who want to introduce national ID cards. who will sweep away constitutional guarantees and liberties under the guise of anti-terrorists legislation. I am not anti-USA there are many wonderful people there. I am anti what's happening in the political world. The ones with money are out to control you and me. The very fact that you own a mobile phone means that you can be tracked. The very fact that you have cable television means that there is the possibility that you can be monitored by your own invitation. Who says your set top box is a one way device. Only yesterday in the news was it mentioned that conversations on the telephone can be monitored at will. There is technology that can see through the walls of your house and determine what you are doing. Who says we are living in a free society; we only think we are. The media is owned by people with money and they tell us what they want to tell us. The global Murdock empire has specific instructions on what slant has to be put on news. It has made and overthrown governments. UK is a prime example.

Bush does not give a damn about the constitution, and to all intent and purpose its dead anyway, it means nothing. You only think you have a constitution.Try and defend your right under it and see where it gets you. My bet is - not very far.

Do you honestly think that aids (which is old hat now) and new strains of deadly diseases that encompass the world are really natural. (No way) They are bioengineered diseases. Aids was made to cancel the African debt and reduce the population of what was seen to be a people burdensome to the first world and it's agenda. Have you noticed that these new strains of infection start in places like Africa, India, China and South America. It is no secret that a New World Order administration requires world population to be a small proportion of what it is today. (I say Bush you give your life first as an example). Bioengineered diseases are the perfect way to murder. No-one can point the finger. No-one is responsible for the murder. Every year we are all encouraged to have a flu vaccine. Do you REALLY know what's in it. We are INVITING someone (who probably knows no more than we do) to contaminate our bodies with something we know absolutely nothing about. I haven't had a flu vaccine for over 30 years now. I get flu, I get over it. I guess my body is allot stronger for it than if I had the vaccine. I mentioned this to a nurse at my local clinic, she agreed with me, and also said she doesn't have the vaccine either.

Hang on to your seats folks, enjoy the ride - it's all downhill from here on. The New World Order is coming, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

Couldn't agree more!! Thanks for starting this thread!

The fabricated 9/11, the Madrid bombings 3/11 last year, now the newest coup d'etat in London 7/7, yes, the NWO comes with large steps!

The pictures yesterday on TV were more than weird: namely nonstop the same pictures the whole day, pictures from uninteresting things like police and emergency cars. No footage at all of the scenarios itself. They said 3 buses were bombed, but no footage of those buses. Later in the evening they finally showed one bus which was destroyed, then it was only ONE bus all of a sudden instead of 3, thus 4 bombings (3 underground + 1 bus) instead of the claimed 7 bombings in total the whole day. 7 bombings on 7/7... Then the number with the victims, all TV stations told different until the first "official" number spoke of 33 victims. Amusing was how the UK government couldn't say how many victims it were, yes, I know it takes several days to count the number 50... Interesting also, that this number 50 came from Australia while UK sticked to 30 something a long time. Italian intelligence spoke also from 50 victims. Lies over lies!! Furthermore interesting, how could that actually happen? London is the best monitored city in the world! Every bit and every corner there is full of surveillance cameras which registers everyone through scanning faces. It's more than surprising that such could happen in a police state like England, and that allegedly from people who compared to the IRA are "dilettantes". Moreover: The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in advance, resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu remaining in his hotel room rather than make his way to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first explosion, a Liverpool Street train station, where he was to address and economic summit. (http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/Ju...ns_London.html) This was so precisely (and hidden) planned that there is no doubt of inside work.

Oh, before I forget. What a coincidence that a german print news media discovered first the confessing letter of an allegedly european Al Quaeda group. Of course, it was the Al Quaeda, who else?? :lol: The best puppet group in order to fuel hatred against muslims (again) and to justify the taking away of civil rights and to start new worldwide wars of aggression.

That this bombing affects people ALL over the world was the icing of the cake yesterday, this rhetoric, Mr. Blair is very cheap! Nice tactic to fuel fear worldwide and now all governments over the world take stronger measures. Bush and Blair are the terrorists and hopefully soon the whole truth will leak out massively to the public.

The whole day long yesterday only BS on TV. That's bad enough! Worse is that people really believe that crap (again) :? Good work MI5!

Micky - thanks for your response.

London bombings - I agree the television seemingly world wide was full of it, repeating and repeating - like brainwashing.

My heart goes out to the injured and the families of those who died.

I don't wish ill on anyone. This event should be put it into prospective. It is was not a big event. Its not = or should not be world shattering. It WAS horrendously brutal. The media turned it into a big event with continual broadcasting generating a spirit of fear. Continual broadcasting is exactly what the perpetrators want - so maybe if there was the opposite it may have less effect - but who am I - I am not an expert.

I couldn't help thinking when I first heard it that sooner or later it will be broadcast that some previously unknown splinter organisation will claim responsibility on an equally obscure web site.

I also can't help thinking when it is mentioned that the police and authorities are putting all the clues together and watching all the video's to catch the perpetrators - I think I can say with confidence it won't happen.

Personally, I think it's time for you denim and you too micky to get your facts straight and stop with the hate campaign. Because you don't happen to agree with someone you don't have to resort to libelous name calling and placing all the blame on the shoulders of two leaders who try to do something to help.

Sure, I agree they haven't been 100% right, and some of the methods adopted have been, shall we say, less than dead on. But it does no one any good to start throwing stones and resort to name calling. It's a time to work together and let the powers that be know where we stand and make our voices heard.

Anyone can criticize and complain, but have you got a better plan of action? I don't say this to be snide. However, if you don't have an alternative action to be taken, what's to be gained by merely being critical? All that does is stir the pot of anger and discontent.

Why don't we instead offer alternative courses of action for consideration? Let's try to be helpful and positive. Not a negative force to tear things down.

retred

MMMMMMMMMMMMMM Interesting, but keep it clean fellas! I can see this getting away unless you invoke some self decorum OK!!?

This reply is in

Originally Posted by denim

the spirit of debate.

Originally Posted by retred

Personally, I think it's time for you denim and you too micky to get your facts straight and stop with the hate campaign. Because you don't happen to agree with someone you don't have to resort to libelous name calling and placing all the blame on the shoulders of two leaders who try to do something to help.

No hate campaign from me. I have presented food for thought through what I have heard and by research. I love the majority, who are not being heard. Your freedoms are on the line. They are like central heating in winter - you will miss it when its not there.

Originally Posted by denim

Musings and Reflections is what it says it is - so please forgive it being a little disjointed. It is purely my opinion, and I would defend your right to disagree with me. If you do, lets do it in the spirit of debate.

The US and British administrations and most western administrations are unfortunately proven to be corrupt. And while there is visibly good coming out of them it is mingled with an alternative motive that carries a price.

The coming one world government is being set up in the political arena under the flag of the United Nations, through organizations such as the Trilateral Commission, Council of Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs, the Bilderbergers, and the Club of Rome whose members include many world leaders, media personalities and other influential people. The published goal of the Council of Foreign Relations for example is a one world government. And although most have never heard of many of these groups, they do exist, and they are very influential. The core of these groups hold to "illuminist" philosophy.

A second focus is economics with free trade agreements, the International Monetary Fund, World Bank and the Bank of International Settlements. The coming global monetary crisis is intended to institute a universal debt-based currency controlled by the International Financiers and issued to individuals against biometric identification cards. This is all about control!

The third area of focus is religion. Organizations like the World Council of Churches and the Parliament of World Religions were established to introduce a new world religion. It is based on a pantheistic/humanist philosophy. This philosophy is now being taught in the education system and has been implemented under programs such as Goals 2000. See the "The Declaration of a Global Ethic" This has dangerous terminology referring to a certain kind of person as being "Authentically human" who accept a certain way of thinking. This implies that those who do not "authentically human" that is those who do not think in a certain way, who are not "authentically human." We have to watch that history does not repeat itself. There were those in WWII that were considered not authentically human. Remember what happened to them!!!

The New World Order will be SOCIALISM. Read the United Nations declarations and treaties for proof of this fact. The individual will be subservient to the state. Rights and power reside in and derive from the state, not the individual.

In the New World Order you will be in serfdom to the controlling elite! You will have no liberty, and no rights. The State will look after you for your best interests. Do you see how the governments of the free world are slowly becoming more involved in everyday life? This is exactly what socialism is. The government becomes involved in every aspect of personal life. Today we require a license for so many things. In Australia, farmers now require permission to farm the land they own. This is not freedom. There are now massive protests about new laws for controlling workers. Employers will be able to fire employees for trivial reasons. With these new laws only recently A father was fired for attending the birth of his wifes baby. A clothing store sacked a girl for not wearing sexy clothes to attract customers, the girl was uncomfortable wearing such clothes, and the court upheld the employer. An employer legally sacked a worker for not buying him a beer. Where do these kind of injustices end?

Governments create the Hegelian crisis to divide and conquer populations and then offer their pre-conceived "solutions". Even the war crimes going down as we watch them unfold are engineered, designed, condoned and even ordered by the intelligence agencies . . . to foment the Arab world for WWIII and drag us through the mud internationally in order to bring us down and make us the bad guys, the Evil Empire - SO THAT - so that the "International Community", i.e. the UN World Government can step in as the savior and be the good guys to "save the day" and thenceforth America will become just another province of the global neo-feudal system just as Nazi Germany became absorbed in the new European Community, and now the vastly expanding EU Soviet.

This is Bush's true agenda, as well as Kofi Annan's and all the other globalists as well. This is essentially how American might and resources are being used to spearhead the globalists' agenda worldwide, but to end up by being swallowed up in it, spread thin, corrupted, destroyed and assimilated itself.

This globalist bait-and-switch, more than oil or juicy contracts or "Pax Americana", is at the root of it all. But even deeper down the rabbit hole, you will find a Masonic occult agenda behind all of it to create the worldwide Satanic system of mind-control, for the globalists to set themselves up as living gods ruling over the slave drones serving the New World Order in a global Big Brother high-tech "Hive Mind" police-state system which we see rapidly unfolding in the Trilateralist regions of Europe, Asia and in the Americas.

Today environment is being used to make people feel guilty, enticing them to accept socialism as necessary. The environmental movement has been co-opted to strip private ownership of control and exploitation of resources. Many environmental 'facts' are lies, exaggerations and unscientific claims to manipulate the masses in the classic Hegelian Dialectic: create the problem, create opposition to the problem, then present your own predetermined solution. Global warming is a perfect example.

In the 1991 Gulf war John Nichol, an RAF navigator, was shot down over Iraq, beaten up and paraded on TV. He gives his reaction to the images of allied brutality. see http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...208019,00.html

Originally Posted by retred

Sure, I agree they haven't been 100% right, and some of the methods adopted have been, shall we say, less than dead on. But it does no one any good to start throwing stones and resort to name calling. It's a time to work together and let the powers that be know where we stand and make our voices heard.

The only area you could point to as possible name calling is

Originally Posted by denim

spoilt brat

but it isn't name calling since it is only my humble

Originally Posted by denim

opinion

Originally Posted by retred

Why don't we instead offer alternative courses of action for consideration?

And it will be heard!!!! Re: Dixie Chicks - they were ostracised.

Originally Posted by retred

Let's try to be helpful and positive. Not a negative force to tear things down.

I didn't notice that I said anything negative. I think that I was suggesting a positive wake up call to the people who have had no choice but to elect despots who are tearing things down.

Originally Posted by sailingdom

Interesting, but keep it clean fellas! I can see this getting away unless you invoke some self decorum OK!!?

I think so far we have all kept a level head, and so long as we continue to do so, this hot subject can be intelligently discussed

Micky and denim,I'm convinced that you are correct;but then,things are progressing as they should.What the perpetrators have done is NOTHING compared to what lies ahead.This is only a pre-amble for what's to come.

The U.S. and Britain will not be the chieftans of the NWO,Europe will be,but then only for a short time before IT is leveled.Worry not;things are going according to the Master Plan.

The terror experienced now will seem like pre-school in the near-future;there isn't much time for every sort of evil to be inflicted upon the world.They know that the time is short.The beast is alive and well and in control.

The siege in the middle-east isn't a temporary thing;it's intended to carry on through till the very end.Mount Harr-Meggido is situated in that part of the world,and that is VERY symbolic in itself.That's where the armies of the world will gather,only to be completely destroyed by the One they oppose.But not before they have done all their evils.

Strangely(NOT),U.S. and British forces will be absent from that scenario as they will already have been obliterated before-hand,thanks to their leaders.The 10 Lost Tribes have not turned back to Him,they have turned their backs to Him.What He has stated ISN'T up for debate;I've been personally watching Him keep His Word for a quarter-century,and He hasn't failed me yet.He has left us to our own devices to prove to US that we can't possibly survive without Him.

Sad,but true and undeniable.The faster things happen,the faster things are happening.

denim –

As I see it you are one messed up person – how can one believe all of the garbage that you posted

I have family members who are STILL hunting for OBL; have you ever been over in that part of the world to see what the mountains are like and the people who hide & protect him?

Where do you people come up with these crazy ideas about the USA and the world – it is scary to me.

I have lived in many different countries and never met anyone who did not want to go live in the USA – even the die-hard rabid hate talkers about our country – want to come here. When push came to shove they wanted to pack there bags and go live in the country that gives people freedom. Freedom to work, live, travel, own property, vote and become a part of the government of the people by the people and for the people.

Again it scares me to see or hear what you and people like you say and believe but then again America gives people the freedom to voice opinions.

Look again,kobaltgelt

The land formerly known as the Land of Freedom and Opportunity is no more,and that's a fact.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

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Its ungodly that there isnt a 24/7 revolution protest all over this country to get this Govt out of Office.
And Im no better, living my easy life watching them LIE LIE LIE, and commit HIGH crimes daily,
but if a revolution begins, Ill join up..
just dont want to get shot at, I guess
cuz Im raising a kid still

The IRS is a sham also.
I just use the internet to spread news and sign petitions :roll:
Until I get p---
Im so poor, the govt GIVES me $ :shock:
And I let them because they owe us ALL big time,
Tesla had the free energy system, and here we are
enslaved and charged for it :evil:

I just love dreaming what Ill do when Im a trillionaire :D
To bad we gotta BE like THEM to move em out! :twisted:

Keep the faith,


"No matter how far you have gone on the wrong road,
turn back!" 8)

D.F.